Topic: Casinos games are not made by the casino teams but... - page 2. (Read 422 times)

It should be the devs. The logic behind each game should've been implemented beforehand, casinos (or even the management team of the game itself) should have in no way have access to the odds of the game engines. That would basically require the dev to make a UI that accepts inputs so that the odds have some sort of reference for what it should work with on each game.

And besides, games usually undergo some sort of strict testing, especially in casino games where provability is probably tested as well so that it is truly random. They probably have a certificate of sorts that are awarded to games that pass said tests, and usually, the code itself of the game remains untouched after that. If they do ever touch it again, they'd probably need to run it down the tests once more.

Yes, even though casino machines were created by developers other than the casino team itself, still the casino team has someone to set it up so that the machine works by giving a win to the casino, on the one hand I always think that the casino has never been beaten, it seems they can indeed control the winnings in the game that machine and control that, but how.

It's still in my nagging mind, but if it really proves to be fair how often do we find more gamblers losing and going broke than gamblers winning and getting rich, there aren't that many gamblers who are lucky to beat the casino and it seems almost impossible though some I've seen it on social media but he is a streamer and there may be partnerships to arrange winnings for the casinos as well. but whatever it is, just gamble for fun and not to make money, so when do you know you have to gamble and have to stop gambling. if that can be done means we are victorious. 

I don't understand your question though, just like traditional based casinos or land based casinos all of their games are from slot machine developers and other game developers and so they just have to work with their local gaming commission on how to setup the RTP and thats it.

So not sure where the manipulation will come or possible for the casino to do that.

There are no games from the casino developers themselves, they just have to get or buy the rights or softwares from the game developers themselves.

Those online casinos with a long standing reputation would not want to jeopardize their repute they have built for such years or decades by getting games from a random game builder that they have no connection with. The game builders and the casino must be in some form of incorporation working as cooperate partners.

 There's no way a casino will want to rig their games and the game builders won't have awareness about such manipulation. But those reputable casinos wouldn't risk manipulating their games because players or bettors will eventually find out and that can give a bad repute bringing down their business, this fear is what give players the confidence in using reputable casinos for their gaming or betting.

Yes they are the responsible ones but the casino owners still has the final say when it comes to whether they want the game to be rigged, I mean the developers don't have a stake in the casino if they rigged it without the knowledge of the casino so I believe that the only time it's going to happen that a developer rigs the game is when they've been asked by the owners themselves.

I think it really doesn't matter if a game is one that is built by a casino itself or if it is coming from a game provider for as long as they are licensed and compliant with legal policies. I think there is a regular fairness audit in casinos. Not to mention that many games are now provably fair, which means that you can verify yourself whether the game that you played is really fair or not.

But jurisdictions may actually matter as well. If a casino is licensed in a place where gambling regulations are not strictly implemented, then I think I'd rather trust a game provided by a certain company based in a country that has strict gambling law implementation.

The software providers could manipulate the games, but the games they create usually go through inspections and testing. I doubt casinos can cheat through the games made by the software providers, but I know they can adjust the RTP and payouts of certain games.

They're not wrong about casino games coming from casinos because it's true, and the casino you're promoting also released their own games.

What I tend to understand is that not all games we find in a casinos are from reputable developers. There are some that we don't even need play because the developer must have given the casino team a means to manipulate the game especially games that have bugs in it.

There are some casinos that want to make more money from there customers by manipulating the game in a way that the house have more opportunity of winning than the players. We might not understand how all these are done except if we are very intellectual and also a developer that have a broad knowledge about it. This is why scam casinos do have more Hegde than the player in winning.

Not certainly... Casino games are programed and I feel it's more like a one-off kinda stuff.. they developers program everything through a domain which communicates, interchange and relates with the casino's imbalance line between loses and gains - this might be checked regularly to enable the casino running into bankruptcy anytime soon.
But I've learnt that some games are automatically provided by the casinos themselves - I mean how's that even possible?? Except they've got an internally paid programmer, then things would get really weird for them.

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If we are talking about slot games then we know that it does have that different providers which means that the casino site or owner wont really be having that kind of chance on tweaking out those odds or chances of winning or losing internally, unless if they have given out some access then its possible but its unlikely considering that this is already too far outstretched in speaking about rights and in regarding partnerships.
For those games that they do solely been able to create like crash or dice games then its truly that they would really be that easily be rigged up if they wanted into on which this is really that normal that
they could really be able to make changes for them to be set that they are at advantage.

So its a wrong thinking that making out some generalization about those games been offered and possibilities on rigging it up. Some people do already knows this but pretty sure
that there are gamblers who do have that kind of impression on which they do generalize that the team behind those games been offered is made by them.

As much as possible reputable crypto casino wanted their games provably fair.  But there are shady casino that intentionally rig the game by asking the developer to tweak the game in favor of the casino.  I would say it is very possible for a casino to collaborate with their game provider to increase or decrease the odds on the slots but proving them would be hard.


It is known to gamblers that many casino games are from a third party game provider.  Reason why we see different casino providers to choose.  Although some casino asked these game provider to create a game exclusive for the casino only.

Many individuals have yet to fathom the true potency of money and its intricate mechanics. Would you be taken aback to uncover the concealed reality behind stock candlesticks, which are actually subject to manipulation?

This parallels the realm of gambling as well. A multitude of instances arise involving gambling and the shadowy presence of organized crime. Cases of match-fixing in sports abound, underscoring the susceptibility of games like slots or blackjack to manipulation.

Even Jake LaMotta opted for money from the gambling mafia over a legitimate championship. Recall that life seldom adheres to the simplicity of our assumptions. Casinos must maintain profitability to endure, and resorting to dishonesty becomes their avenue to financial gain.

Some casinos actually develop their own games. They invest money in developing games that are unique to their casino to give them an advantage over casinos.
If there is any kind of thing like manipulation, it is from casinos and not the game developers, Or developers will manipulate the games on the request from the casinos. Developers will not put in the market a manipulated game for casinos because not all casinos are criminals, some actually do their business fairly without any form of manipulation.

even though the games are developed by third-party developers, that doesn't mean that the casino platform managers let the developers do as they please. of course there are rules and requests that must be met by developers in developing the games requested by the casino platform. the developer must meet the criteria set by the casino platform, and the team from the casino platform will certainly verify whether the game that has been designed meets the standards or not or has holes and various other things before it is used by players. so if there is manipulation or other things, it is the responsibility of the casino platform because they designed the game.

No they are not. Developers are just the one who implements the code whatever the management told them to do so. I am a dev that's why I can say this, if the BD or PM told them to that manipulation so they can manipulate gamblers it is not the fault of devs. Devs are just employees and maybe they are not also allowed to play in that casino I think or maybe there is NDA of course.

Since the casinos have bought that through the third party provider, it's plausible that they can modify some of its codes or depending to the contract that they've signed with the developer if they're allowed to. If not, then that's good that they can't modify and manipulate the game itself. But it's also possible that they can and that's really depending if they've given the authority to do so or if they have an agreement that the developer can do any modification that they can based on the request of the casino that purchased the game. While it's true that the casinos are being blamed for manipulating it, then I guess it's the latter that I've said that everything can be done by them since the developers can just follow whatever they say.

To my knowledge those third party slots leave some tweaking options to casinos. Like RTP %. And yes, ultiimately people who develope those slots have responsibility, but you don't have to take their word for it. As they are being audited all the time, technical vulnerability analysis, done by ISS And ISMS doing Info sec.

To top of that, if they would get caught of being dishonest, years building trust would be gone over night. Building that level of trust from a scratch would be a mountain of work.

Here's some info about audits:
https://luisvilanova.es/iss-audit-and-isms-audit-in-betting-slots-in-virtual-casinos/?lang=en

It is entirely possible that the casinos who buy these games from the developers have full control of the games that are deployed in their platform. They have demo games that exist for a reason, and that is to lure people as much as possible by giving them increased win percentage on those in order to get the player deposit in the real thing. It would be foolish for the casinos to not have any type of control on their games and let the game developer do all of the tinkering on their own, because they won't get maximum profit on those games for sure.

but those top and reputable casinos are very careful in deploying any game from third party developers. because it can ruin what they have built for years. because at some point, one of these players will find the loophole or if the game is not provably fair. do remember, some of these players are diligently checking the casinos about their fairness and other features. this is why reputable ones are not fast in adding a new provider because they will also check themselves about what they are offering.

This argument of "too big to fail" is proven to be wrong throughout history. The trusted 3rd party still can be malicious if the safeguard isn't there or not correctly implemented (or many other reasons), the license and stuff are used to prevent such malicious action. Therefore, such suspicion is common, and that's why people invented provably fair mechanisms to erase such suspicion.

The bottom line is that the game provider can or cannot be malicious, even if the manipulation risk is low, it's not zero. People playing those games are basically ignoring the risk and choosing to trust the provider.

But of course, people who blame the system, because they are losing, aren't correct either since it's gambling... They must have a proof for such an accusation.

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There are two kinds of games based on who creates them, (1) in-house, and (2) 3rd party providers
For in-house games, the house/casino builds the game, so they should have the burden to be liable if any error, but for 3rd party games, the casino only hosts it as is with some parameter to tweak, like RTP (for some games) for example. I don't think it's viable for the casino to hack the provider's server and stuff, it's simply not their expertise. The most common MO for casino to cheat their customers is by denying withdrawal, as simple as that.