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Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

My personal opinion is that at least one casinos are a part of all online casinos. And they do not want to want to publish about that as they will lose customers. If they publish it then many gambling sites may not use their script. Also, many gambling sites has few own casinos which have been built by their team.

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Yes, many reputable casinos source games from established developers. Its a bloody game of trust! But here's the kicker: responsibility and manipulation are two sides of the same cursed coin. Developers might craft the game, but who says casinos cant have a backdoor?

If you naively believe casinos are just passive storefronts, then I have a bridge to sell you. They're always after the bottom line - MONEY. Whether it’s an in-house or external developer, both parties have vested interests. If manipulation were to happen, it'd be a wretched dance between the two.

Those clueless souls who think online casinos craft all their games are delusional. But dont be too quick to separate casinos from developers. In this shady world, everyone's hands might just be dirty.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

If the gamblers play for certain period of time,he can learn most of the tactics from the gambling site.But it's not the easy task to all the gamblers.The dedication is needed one by the gamblers on playing the same game many times.The dice is the game which allow us to learn more easily and the probability for the winning is more and more compared to the other games.The pattern of the dice should be find by the gamblers using the dice of past series of game.The gambling software was made by the developer and he is human and can be manipulated based on the knowledge.

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Quote from: madnessteat on August 21, 2023, 09:51:58 AM

I do not see the point of manipulation for the casino (of course if the casino was not created for the purpose of stealing users' money), because the revenue is embedded in the algorithms for each individual game and by and large the owner of the casino should be engaged in attracting users to increase earnings. Quite a working scheme without the need for fraud, because if fraud is proven, the casino will clearly lose all users.

That's right, math works better than any fraud Cheesy

If you play in large online casinos, then the chance of suffering from manipulation is almost zero - casinos that already have a large flow of customers themselves check as carefully as possible so that there are no mistakes that could harm customers. Because if there is some kind of scandal, they will lose their reputation and some of the customers will leave - they will lose the flow of money that comes to the casino without any fraud.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

There is no manipulation or related thing about that, period.

These game software providers are also taking care of their business. Issues about manipulation will just create a bad image for these providers. If there will be an issue of cheating or manipulation against them, how will they be able to attract more online casinos to hire their service? Their games are fair and square and they are distributing these games with the same system throughout different online casinos.

Don't blame big losses that there's manipulation or cheating happening in the game. If you are in bad luck, then just accept it. Take a break and calm the situation before going back to playing again. Gambling is a game of chance. Don't expect that you will always win here and don't think that game providers are cheating the whole game.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

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Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

It depends on the casino and the games themselves, for example. There are casinos which indeed use games which are developed by teams which are not directly hired by the casino, but rather is the casino that buys the rights to use the software.

On the other hand, there are also games which are developed by the casino themselves, using a uniform visual style and those games are also advertised by the casino team, so people can try them. If you have played on Stake, then you should have noticed that they have their own original casino games, which have the same style and graphic design among themselves and since it is developed by stake they provide ways so gamblers can verify the result they get, through the provably fair model. Wink

I hope my answer was helpful, OP.

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There are casinos that consult the 3rd party game developer when they see the user earned from one game and wanted to withdraw instantly. The casino still sees the game developer as responsible for finding out whether the user had cheated his way to make a fortune.

In case the 3rd party game developer says the users did cheat, the casino will more likely not allow the funds to be withdrawn but allow the user to only withdraw what he had deposited. I think this situation already happened.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

You remind me of one of the sources I've read, with the title: TOP 10 ONLINE CASINO GAME DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES

If it is related to your question, it is clear that it is valid, for example:

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In fact, all gambling establishments use one or more of the same software, and the only thing that adds originality to them is branding.

If you look at the quote above, of course there is no doubt that software and companies have a role in slot games, poker etc.

This statement can be strengthened again by the statement below, which has been done by the MICROGAMING company.

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The Microgaming company is the first and one of the most popular developers of casino games (slots in particular). The brand began its work in the 90s and earned its name by an innovative approach and performance. Microgaming was founded in South Africa (Durban) in 1994. A little later, the main office was transferred to Great Britain (Maine). In our days, the company’s representatives are located all over the world, and the software is available in more than 600 casinos and poker rooms.

You can see more and more companies providing various games to existing online casinos, in the source above top 10.

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If you've been a long-time player of casinos, you know that casinos are paying third-party game providers for their games
and these are the top Online casino developers

https://www.softswiss.com/knowledge-base/choosing-optimal-mix-game-vendors-online-casino/

So casinos' job is to pay their winners and promote their platform and see to it that the game provider is not manipulating their games so players will stay and will trust their platform.
The casinos should pick the most popular and reputable game provider so their players will not look for other platform anymore.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

Original games typically probably fair which means you can verify the authenticity of the results using the hash seed. But same with the 3rd party providers, It's all about trust since whether the original games is probably fair or not, other games on the casino even from trusted provider is still not verifiable if the result is fair.

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The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

It's possible that some games is rigged since slot game software is not an open source and there's some slot provider that was found out cheating before and removed by casino. It's all about trust on gambling industry. It's up to you whether you will believed or not.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

There is no perfect system anywhere. Although I have not experienced this issue I cannot dispute that casino manipulation exists. Any form of manipulation will be redesigned for the profit of the casino. So it will be correct to state that these casinos can be manipulated by the casino if they are built in-house. But the casino can also partner with a third-party developer to manipulate the system. The gambling firm can connive with the third developer to cheat gamblers because of greed. But one thing is sure, the casino and the software providers will soon run out of business. They can't hide their shady deals forever because other experienced players in the industry would dictate and unveil this fraud. That's why it is better to always use a trusted and tested casino

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It depends on what kind of software agreement they are having, like an agreement under which the casino can touch the code or manipulate it, or an agreement under which only the game is set up and they have only the admin dashboard. I don't have experience in operating casinos, but mostly those owners want to have full control, so developers are out of it, as those developers really develop it to be foolproof and bug-free. Though there are still in-house games that are developed by them, I am not sure if they are 100% developed by them because it will take time, so I am sure that they also purchase it or some modules of it to make it done. But developers are out of it, and it is also really possible if they want to manipulate it. No one knows.

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I do not see the point of manipulation for the casino (of course if the casino was not created for the purpose of stealing users' money), because the revenue is embedded in the algorithms for each individual game and by and large the owner of the casino should be engaged in attracting users to increase earnings. Quite a working scheme without the need for fraud, because if fraud is proven, the casino will clearly lose all users.

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If the casino teams know how to code, there's a chance if they manipulated the games. There's also a chance the developer has a personal agreement with the casino teams to create a game that can be manipulated.

If you want to be safe, don't gamble on in-built games, just choose to gamble on games that created by trusted gambling providers e.g. Pragmatic Play, Play'n GO, etc.

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I think that casino games are not made by the casino team they have owners and developers who manage the casinos. Casino managers, also referred to as managers or gaming managers, hold an important position in casinos. They are in charge of managing the day to day management of the gaming area and overseeing the operation of the casino teams cannot manage properly because most teams cheat. A lot of money is needed to make casino sites attractive by signing developer contracts with casino owners to launch casinos. The games often require a certain level of skill and strategy, which makes them popular among seasoned gamblers.

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Quote from: iv4n on August 21, 2023, 06:31:05 AM

We can't check the fairness of third-party games, it's on us to trust them or not. As a person who likes to play slots and some other third-party games, I know how unpredictable these games can be. The long-losing streaks are pretty much normal, we rely on pure luck, and there are no guarantees that we will land on a bonus round with some greater payout.

But even where we know that gambling is luck based we should also know where we are throwing our money to. At least with the assurance that the house edge will not be above 50% against us.

I think Op has brought a sensible topic. If there is a way that casinos can disclose games programmed by their team and outsourced games or third party games that will be nice because I will feel playing through a third party interphase could give me a more guarantee of provably fair.

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Quote from: Ever-young on August 21, 2023, 06:03:13 AM

Casino owner or verified developers who ever is responsible for the game development does not guarantee how transparent the game will appear to be, when a Casino sign a contract with a game developer, the necessary tools for integration and they can also have the access to make what ever changes they want, the game design is that of the developers which they have paid for, why the Casino belongs to different individuals so they will design how they want things to be.

It's left with the casino owner to either be fair enough and leave things the way it was initially developed or they manipulate it to be in their favour, which I believe they will definitely do as their main objective for running a casino is to make profit. Casinos are designed to be in favour of the owners and not that of the gamblers.

And probably fair? When you play provably fair games in crypto casinos you can verify your bets. It's on the casino to set up the house edge, it's where they make money. The house edge can and is different for different games and in different casinos.

We can't check the fairness of third-party games, it's on us to trust them or not. As a person who likes to play slots and some other third-party games, I know how unpredictable these games can be. The long-losing streaks are pretty much normal, we rely on pure luck, and there are no guarantees that we will land on a bonus round with some greater payout.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

What should be the normal procedure is for the developers to make a new provisioned for the casinos base on the criterials they want and give the developers to work on, there will be implementation of changes to this games, then they will also have to run a test on them to see the way they perform before the accepting the from the developers, you cannot just accept any offer they have without you presenting your taste for them to work on.

Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

It's true, but there's always a need for remodification of any game of your choice if you so wish the developers should work on that for your taste and target.

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Quote from: avp2306 on August 21, 2023, 03:21:40 AM

If there's cases that casino games are being manipulated for sure they will get busted by their player and they will not stay on industry for more longer times.

The software provider is liable to any manipulation so if there's some issue like this exist then it should be blame to the provider and to casino owners since both of them knows what's happening to the system they offer to their gamblers.

Also people actually don't care much about who own things since many are aware that most of online casino use third party softwares to launched their business more faster than generating their own games.

I agree with your statement, casinos that manipulate games will be easily identified because gamblers are experienced using various gambling platforms, casino teams will not damage their reputation because casino owners have paid high prices for gambling games from software developers. But I am not of the opinion that all gambling is safe because some report gambling platforms have manipulated code that folds developers to change ruining fair and honest games.

We don't know about the profiles of gambling developers because they are paid according to the order of the casino owners, so the casino owners are to blame if they manipulate the games. However, gamblers must be selective in choosing safe and fair gambling, especially for the top list of trusted casino platforms that have been suggested by the gambling community.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 21, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

If that's the case, you should never play dice because most dice games are developed by the people who are behind the whole site. In many cases you never know the names of people who actually developed the casino and the games in there.
It's common for visualized games like slots to be made by companies that only do that, but simple math-based games aren't usually outsourced and if they are it's just 1 person that writes the code and you don't even know who that is.

Should you be concerned? I don't think so. You don't know who stands behind developing phone apps that you use, and most altcoin teams are just made up names and stock photos.

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