Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 50. (Read 12549 times)

Almost every gambling site out there(FIAT and Crypto) hates it when customers keep withdrawing frequently from their sites, but love it when customers keep depositing regularly which is the sad reality.

This is why they use shitty tactics like enforcing KYC etc in order to try and slow down the withdrawals.

I would add that this is actually a method of fraud, when everything happens completely legally, in compliance with the norms and laws established by the government, and in fact, these actions requiring sudden KYC are actions that actually infringe on the rights of the player.  And often the player simply cannot provide the necessary documents.  And sometimes the casino’s requirements, such as a copy of a bank account statement.  And if the player does not provide it simply because he does not use the services of any bank at all.  And, by the way, there are quite a lot of such people.  And if such a player, for example, uses cryptocurrency, then he will not be able to receive any winnings in cryptocurrency due to the lack of a bank account.  And there are many such examples of fraud. 

I believe that anonymous payments simply should be somehow legalized at the government level so that suchh variants of fraud on the part of a supposedly completely legal casino could not be done.  Unfortunately, this will be difficult to achieve, but hopefully, over time and taking into account public needs, some governments will begin to discuss and resolve this issue at the legal level.

Some sites had their Update in TOS in the coming days and that is normal  because sometimes from being decentralized site they are turning into Centralized as the government is asking them to provide KYC preventing them to be abused and used as Money laundering machine.

But this happens rarely , not knowing there are sites that only protecting their interest upon conducting that KYC verification to not letting players take their winning or money inside their site.

that is a complete way of scamming people in legal manner , that is for me is a BS , because  the timing of asking KYC is similar to telling players that they are already scammed lol.

Do you, or anyone in the forum, know what licenses DO NOT strictly require or enforce KYC on their users? That might be a good tip for those who don't want to give up their privacy, no?


OK, it was probably when I was being more active in my deposits and withdrawals that started to casino to notice. I wasn't doing anything "shady", I merely didn't want to keep my coins in the casino for more than 24 hours. It's not that I don't trust the casino, it's just because we were given a feature of self-custody by Bitcoin.

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Not shocking or suprising anymore on which there would really be drastic changes along the way on which these companies or platforms would be ending up on complying on whats been asked by the authorities or else then they can be able to have operation so they wont really be having no choice. You shouldnt really make yourself that get shocked on what things do happen because things are really that bound to have chance
specially on things which government could be able to reach about KYC application within these companies but of course we are talking legit ones on here which KYC might be mandated if you do hit up a specific
threshold but if we do speak into those shady casinos who had making use of KYC as their way on scamming out people then it is been known and possible. Therefore, the best way to avoid this
is to stick yourself into those known and reputable sites in the first place.

And to this extent, the casinos are being linient enough to that extent because they would have allowed us. To make use of their platform before asking for KYC, but should in case this kyc challenge of a be thing is not what we can cope with, then why not that we make the rightful selection of a no KYC casino to give us the maximum expectations we have ever wanted, but if we think handling and coping with KYC shouldn't be a challenge, then we can use those kind that supports for kyc at our own discretion.

Every user of a centralized casino must prepare themselves to be willing to verify KYC when they ask you to complete KYC, because some casino regulations have stipulated ToS related to KYC even without the cause of your account log carrying out suspicious activities.

The main point is that you have to be prepared for the risk of KYC if you gamble at a centralized casino, some casinos will require KYC when withdrawing and I think it might be the best option to complete KYC on your gambling registration account because your account will not have problems with KYC.

This is true.

Other gamblers don't understand that they have been subjected to KYC not only for one thing. Because most believes that it's all about the government forcing casinos to ask for KYC.

Yes, that's one. But the casinos will also ask for verification due to shady activities where they can see it through your account audits or logs.

KYC is always compulsory to any casino that has a Curacao license. They just require it in random basis but all the account is subjected to KYC at some point of their game. Casino just imposed it during registration process but you automatically agree to undergo KYC once you are asked the moment you sign up and agree the casino ToS.

It’s not about how huge your withdrawal but depends on the overall activity of your account since you can be subjected immediately to KYC if you show some shady activity.

It is local casino, so i don`t think that this information can help someone, except my neighbors. I posted feedback and appeal on several sites with reviews and now the casino trying to "solve" this problem. I don`t know what the result will be.
The main idea that all casinos have an opportunity to steal your prize except KYC.

It is casino without cryptocurrencies, so i don`t post here. But i posted several place their i saw the ambassadors of this casino.

Well, as much as I consider your advice to be of good value, I still will not advice gamblers to completely ignore new casinos since the well known and trusted casinos we have in the forum today and even outside the forum all started from being small to becoming as big and popular as they are today.

What I did advice is that gamblers be extremely careful when dealing with new casinos, if you find a new casino that offering some kind of hard to ignore bonus or some promotions, then starting out on the casino with as little amount of money as possible, and if luckily you win a good amount of money from that small deposit, do not consider it anything until you have successfully withdrawn the money to a wallet you control the keys, or to your very own account on an exchange.
This is what I think is the best advice.

In my own personal experience, KYC was not compulsary until I made larger and larger deposits and withdrawals from the casino. Especially if you do, deposit then withdraw within a short period of time more often. We can't blame the casino if they check on their users to find out if they're merely using the site as a sort of mixer/tumbler. But if the user is an honest person who merely wants to gamble, then just comply and there's nothing to worry about.

There's no way on knowing that because incidents happen will be always at last and make out realizations and conclusions would be also in the last. This is why its never been that ideal that you will
be that testing out and make direct huge deposits into those platforms specially if their reputation isnt known yet then it will really be just that normal or common sense that you shouldn't really be that easily making those kind of actions knowing that the risk is high. If you could be able to afford on throwing up some few bucks to test out then its your choice. Usually shady sites
wont be holding up small withdrawals but on the time that they will be able to give out those huge wins then this is where issues do really rise up.

You would not know that they are bad unless you experience the worst or even see multiple times that they are scamming to many people. Also even reputable casino before turn as scam so its hard to conclude that look for reputable because they will not scam us since that's not usually happen. So for that we need to be more careful dealing with them especially for providing our personal information since we don't know on when this people plan to attack negatively.

I always see that scenario where to many documents ask just to delay the withdrawal ask that's why we should pick the best among them all so that if KYC will be ask then there's a high chance that we can get the withdrawal that we request to them.

Everyone must have had a bitter experience like that playing at a casino that is like a scam, that's why it's better to look for a casino that has a good reputation on this forum even without KYC you can still withdraw money as long as it's still worth hundreds of dollars, the point is don't ever try to use new sites even though they offer many tempting bonuses because it is their trap to make money.

There are many cases where casinos often make the KYC process difficult for their users because they actually want the user's money and the user will give up on their own, that's why you and your friends should make this a valuable experience so that it doesn't happen again in the future by gambling at a new casino in my opinion. very vulnerable to fraud. 

You are right to a great extent, there are various ways through which scam casinos operate, and some of them engage in scamming their users by using kyc as an excuse, a bait or reason.

I have in previous times had this experience of a friend not too close to me, he played on a fairly new casino and luckily won a handsome amount of money, he tried to withdraw but was asked to verify account first, he tried with the document he has but got rejected multiple times, he had to apply for a new type of document the casino specifically requested for, he spent alot of money, and it still took like three months before he could get hold of the document, he finally applied again for the verification so he could withdraw his winning, but was still rejected, and this time, they said there is a particular type of signature that needs to be on the document before they accept.

At the end, the money won was no longer worth the stress and my friend gave it up, and warned us from playing on that casinos as they are a complete scam, being a while actually but last time I check, the casino was no longer online.

This is a subtle business strategy to attract gamblers to the platform. The casinos are operating under a licence that sometimes mandates than to carry out KYC procedures on customers. Different nations also have regulatory laws that compel casinos to collect personal information from customers. However, because these casino operators are aware that gamblers prefer non-KYC platforms, they have to devise other ways of attracting them. And one of the ways is to skip the request for KYC during registration and deposit but ask for it during withdrawal. But such casinos should also not that gamblers will not be pleased with this kind of deception and might not consider coming back to gamble on the platform again. So they might not be able to sustain customers that will be loyal to the casino brand.

If you check some of the complaints from some gamblers you will identify that one of the main problems is the refusal or inability to read and understand the terms of reference. Some of these gambling sites are transparent enough to include some clauses or conditions to the no-KYC policy. But because some of these bettors are not patient enough to go through this important document they end up blaming casinos for their ignorance.

I will always advise gamblers to use casinos that have signature campaigns in this forum and ensure to read and understand the terms of service before depositing funds.     

there is no question about them Asking KYC , but if they are truly Loyal in their country then
they have asked KYC from account creation or from first deposit , they only thing that keeps asking gamblers is that
they are pretending to be not a kyc site as they are hiding that implementation in the terms of agreement but they
are implementing when there is withdrawal .
can you see the trap there? they also try to pretend to be asking the players while withdrawing because of
questionable activities but the truth is ? they are asking then for a chance of holding their site if cannot prove them wrong.

if mak013 has valid claims about his rewards and the casino took it back, he can post it in the scam accusations board. that is, if he knows his battle is strong. should check about the technical mistake they are talking about. if they are just looking for some loopholes not to pay, you can easily see from their replies. because sometimes these casinos/bookies need to teach also their lesson. yes, they have the prerogative to hold your funds because they are the ones setting the rules. but if blatantly they are screwing their players, and you have proofs, that's a good one for them to pay for what is owed to the player.

What casino specifically? So that we could be able to avoid and let those newbies or new gamblers will be that wary of the said casino?
Its true that they do have all the control considering that they are the ones who do set rules and they are the ones who are held your account balance on which means that you dont have the options
on the time that you do make out deposit. This is why it would really be that important that you should only make out deposits into those places on which are that legit and reputable.
You would definitely be that able to avoid these potential problems if you do stick with legit ones, come bare in mind that even if you do deal up with those real ones,
winning chances wont increase out. KYC could be still be asked depending on threshod.