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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on December 05, 2023, 04:11:51 PM

I have experienced this just once but since then I have not had that issue. And remembering it now and saying to myself that I was to be blamed for the issue. What casinos should do is to make try as much as possible to make the KYC requirement to be a prerequisite for funding the and playing. This way it will not seem like the casino is being shady. It removes confusions and make the gambler aware from the onset what is expected of him before he can make full use of the casino features.

There are casinos where you can verify your account or ask them if you can do KYC before depositing huge amounts of money, OP mentioned the name of the casino that is not very popular here in the gambling community, if the casino is reputable and you have no problem with your documents I doubt if there will be an issue if you win a huge amount of money but you have to do KYC the reason is if you're not a minor playing in their platform which is a violation of their terms if you can prove that you are not a minor you can withdraw your winnings with no issue at all.

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Quote from: piebeyb on December 05, 2023, 07:03:10 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on November 30, 2023, 05:12:05 PM

Before accepting the term of service of the casino we must first of all be willing to hand out our documents for verifications because this is the most important stage that always gets gamblers stock at some point if they don't understand what really is happening.

Maybe that only applies to big gamblers so far, as a small gambler, I don't need to send any identification, just do level 1 verification, filling in the information data is more than enough, I can still withdraw money without having to be asked to send documentation for level 2, every KYC there is always a level. That's why gamblers who have a lot of money should read the rules first before making a large deposit.

True, until we meet the threshold. Who knows when luck will strike the small gamblers that they are able to win a larger amount and exceed the threshold of the amount for the non-KYC withdrawal. But until then, if we are able to withdraw without performing KYC then stick with it, just adjust and decide carefully if times comes the casino requires us to do KYC regardless of the betting/withdrawal amount

Quote from: piebeyb on December 05, 2023, 07:03:10 AM

Usually people like that never know how the online casino system works where there are rules and requirements that must be read regarding KYC so most of them make large deposits and bets until they end up confused when the casino asks the user to provide their identity and complete their KYC. My suggestion is that rich users should complete their KYC at the beginning

I think they do know it but they wanted to take the chance resulting in a problem since even if they know the possibility of KYC for larger transactions, they then push their luck and end up with a pending withdrawal scenario until they pass the KYC procedure.

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I have experienced this just once but since then I have not had that issue. And remembering it now and saying to myself that I was to be blamed for the issue. What casinos should do is to make try as much as possible to make the KYC requirement to be a prerequisite for funding the and playing. This way it will not seem like the casino is being shady. It removes confusions and make the gambler aware from the onset what is expected of him before he can make full use of the casino features.

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Quote from: piebeyb on December 05, 2023, 07:03:10 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on November 30, 2023, 05:12:05 PM

Before accepting the term of service of the casino we must first of all be willing to hand out our documents for verifications because this is the most important stage that always gets gamblers stock at some point if they don't understand what really is happening.

Maybe that only applies to big gamblers so far, as a small gambler, I don't need to send any identification, just do level 1 verification, filling in the information data is more than enough, I can still withdraw money without having to be asked to send documentation for level 2, every KYC there is always a level. That's why gamblers who have a lot of money should read the rules first before making a large deposit.

Usually people like that never know how the online casino system works where there are rules and requirements that must be read regarding KYC so most of them make large deposits and bets until they end up confused when the casino asks the user to provide their identity and complete their KYC. My suggestion is that rich users should complete their KYC at the beginning

Yes most of those that are asked for kyc is those big bag holders and that os part of the anti money laundering laws which some time are effective in making it hard for corrupt politicians and criminals to use gambling sites as a mix for their stolen funds, mostly at a time we have to look in the direction of that, so the casino is always on the lookout for any possible loopholes that is why their place minimum $5,000 one time deposits or withdrawal on none KYC gamblers but any amount above that $5,000+ it may require the account to go through verification, so for sure a lot has to do with why casino act the way they do and what the reason for kyx demands is because in most cases, the gamblers are the one that has failed to follow the terms and conditions of the casino.

Unless for scam casinos who may deliberately lock a person out and for some reason to scam the gambler such as in cases with 1xbits unless that, if not KYC is a prerequisite for higher wagerers.

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Quote from: Wiwo on November 30, 2023, 05:12:05 PM

Before accepting the term of service of the casino we must first of all be willing to hand out our documents for verifications because this is the most important stage that always gets gamblers stock at some point if they don't understand what really is happening.

Maybe that only applies to big gamblers so far, as a small gambler, I don't need to send any identification, just do level 1 verification, filling in the information data is more than enough, I can still withdraw money without having to be asked to send documentation for level 2, every KYC there is always a level. That's why gamblers who have a lot of money should read the rules first before making a large deposit.

Usually people like that never know how the online casino system works where there are rules and requirements that must be read regarding KYC so most of them make large deposits and bets until they end up confused when the casino asks the user to provide their identity and complete their KYC. My suggestion is that rich users should complete their KYC at the beginning

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on December 04, 2023, 02:42:05 AM

Quote from: mak013 on December 04, 2023, 01:21:23 AM

Quote from: Odusko on December 03, 2023, 02:43:00 PM

I love to see casinos making their KYC prices as quick as exchange does because having to wait a week or two to see your documents verified is quite draining and at that, we have to make out the time to make sure that if we must register and play on centralized casinos who's KYC is mandatory then it better you start the process on time, in that way, you have enough time to spend waiting for your documents to get and verified.
So for sure, you will not have any problem with the casino and you can withdraw any amount since your account is already verified, much more so you never have reasons to get into troubles that may warrant your accounts being locked, or any of such, so any casino that goes above that by not letting gamblers to verify their accounts, it may have alot to do with their reputations and most likely to be scam casinos.

Yes, i`m talking about it at least two years. The best way is to KYC at the start, and don`t get a surprise when you need to withdraw money fast.
In the cryptocurrency exchanges there are an opportunity to KYC by yourself, any time you want. It would be nice to see such opportunity in all casinos.

Some casinos still make the provision available to those who want to kyc without being asked or requested to, just like its done on crypto exchanges, example is Stake, a friend of mine, some one living next day from mine played on stake for some time, and later one, he himself was the one that decided to submit his verification documents to the casino for kyc verification, he was never asked.
So this confirms that some casinos do have that facility, players can kyc anytime they want, and doing so even makes the verification process easier than waiting until the casino themselves lock you out and ask that you verify your account.

It is what i`m talking about. Such casinos gives you a chance to withdraw your money any moment you need, without KYC, when the casino decides to do it.

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Quote from: mak013 on December 04, 2023, 01:21:23 AM

Yes, i`m talking about it at least two years. The best way is to KYC at the start, and don`t get a surprise when you need to withdraw money fast.
In the cryptocurrency exchanges there are an opportunity to KYC by yourself, any time you want. It would be nice to see such opportunity in all casinos.

Before gambling, the first thing is to stick to the terms and conditions of that particular process, there are several ways to abide by these rules but anything beyond that, there are consequences and punishment. KYC are important for all users in the system, it's a basic fundamental process that ought to be passed with legitimate information provided. That's just a phase to clarify the basic requirements of the identity of the user, because there are so many fraudulent ongoing activities in the system and these casinos wouldn't give room for these frauds to pass without going unpunished.

It you read my post more attentively, you can see that i have nothing against the KYC. I even recommend everybody to KYC as fast as possible. But if we are talking about ToS - you often will see that the casino can KYC you any moment they want. It is ok, but it would be better to have an opportunity to KYC before the casino asks.

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This topic has always given us a lot to talk about, we are players who are mostly active and we want to do things to continue having fun, for those reasons we want to have the best experience, and we recommend casinos or sites that are good and that make us give a better scheme than they are, but I could say that there are casinos that sometimes deceive, because they say you deposit and then you play and if you win they put the KYC restrictions , that bothers because there are casino sites that do not approve quickly , and that is the pain of many.

The players who can make reviews are the ones who are always looking for places to see and say which is the best, and one characteristic of that is this, for that reason I will always prefer the casinos that are old, because the old casinos They don't get complicated with anything, they are more practical in everything, when there are complications they look for a way to do things better.

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Quote from: mak013 on December 04, 2023, 01:21:23 AM

Yes, i`m talking about it at least two years. The best way is to KYC at the start, and don`t get a surprise when you need to withdraw money fast.
In the cryptocurrency exchanges there are an opportunity to KYC by yourself, any time you want. It would be nice to see such opportunity in all casinos.

Before gambling, the first thing is to stick to the terms and conditions of that particular process, there are several ways to abide by these rules but anything beyond that, there are consequences and punishment. KYC are important for all users in the system, it's a basic fundamental process that ought to be passed with legitimate information provided. That's just a phase to clarify the basic requirements of the identity of the user, because there are so many fraudulent ongoing activities in the system and these casinos wouldn't give room for these frauds to pass without going unpunished.

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Quote from: mak013 on December 04, 2023, 01:21:23 AM

Quote from: Odusko on December 03, 2023, 02:43:00 PM

I love to see casinos making their KYC prices as quick as exchange does because having to wait a week or two to see your documents verified is quite draining and at that, we have to make out the time to make sure that if we must register and play on centralized casinos who's KYC is mandatory then it better you start the process on time, in that way, you have enough time to spend waiting for your documents to get and verified.
So for sure, you will not have any problem with the casino and you can withdraw any amount since your account is already verified, much more so you never have reasons to get into troubles that may warrant your accounts being locked, or any of such, so any casino that goes above that by not letting gamblers to verify their accounts, it may have alot to do with their reputations and most likely to be scam casinos.

Yes, i`m talking about it at least two years. The best way is to KYC at the start, and don`t get a surprise when you need to withdraw money fast.
In the cryptocurrency exchanges there are an opportunity to KYC by yourself, any time you want. It would be nice to see such opportunity in all casinos.

Some casinos still make the provision available to those who want to kyc without being asked or requested to, just like its done on crypto exchanges, example is Stake, a friend of mine, some one living next day from mine played on stake for some time, and later one, he himself was the one that decided to submit his verification documents to the casino for kyc verification, he was never asked.
So this confirms that some casinos do have that facility, players can kyc anytime they want, and doing so even makes the verification process easier than waiting until the casino themselves lock you out and ask that you verify your account.

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Quote from: Odusko on December 03, 2023, 02:43:00 PM

I love to see casinos making their KYC prices as quick as exchange does because having to wait a week or two to see your documents verified is quite draining and at that, we have to make out the time to make sure that if we must register and play on centralized casinos who's KYC is mandatory then it better you start the process on time, in that way, you have enough time to spend waiting for your documents to get and verified.
So for sure, you will not have any problem with the casino and you can withdraw any amount since your account is already verified, much more so you never have reasons to get into troubles that may warrant your accounts being locked, or any of such, so any casino that goes above that by not letting gamblers to verify their accounts, it may have alot to do with their reputations and most likely to be scam casinos.

Yes, i`m talking about it at least two years. The best way is to KYC at the start, and don`t get a surprise when you need to withdraw money fast.
In the cryptocurrency exchanges there are an opportunity to KYC by yourself, any time you want. It would be nice to see such opportunity in all casinos.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on December 03, 2023, 03:26:32 PM

So, you should contact the support team of any casino that you wish to gamble with and confirm this with them, and I believe they would allow you to make deposits and withdrawals without any problem if you can show them a proof of residence and if the country you are currently in is accepted by them.

Any user who shows proof of identity living in the US will definitely not be accepted for KYC verification because they have restricted US users from not being able to do KYC, unless they can prove they live in another country and you can make a passport from another country if there is an option to upload proof of passport during KYC verification .

The right solution is to contact the team to confirm your problem, but they don't change the rules that have been set even though you want to have a personal dialogue to help complete KYC in a country that has been banned but they can't help with this problem unless you have other documents proof of residence outside the US.

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Quote from: jerry0 on December 01, 2023, 05:51:00 PM

So I mentioned I do play on gambling sites but these sites don't all primarily use crypto as deposit/withdraw method. They use ewallets like skrill etc.

I am already KYC with them a while back with my US passport and with my non-US utility bill in the abroad country that I'm in and I have no issues playing or depositing or withdrawing.

I wanted to know if there are any crypto sites that I can sign up for while outside the US where this would not be an issue. The reason being lot of these crypto sites seem to not accept US citizens correct? So even though I'm a US citizen but I'm abroad and have a non US utility bill, would that be enough to play there? The thing is I don't want to deposit crypto and play there and only when I withdraw, they say even though you are abroad and have a non-US utility bill that you stay at, well because you are a US citizen, we won't pay you out whether it's your winnings or even your original deposit balance. So wanted to know are there any sites like that.

Isn't the reason for casinos or other platforms not accepting US citizens is because of the regulatory pressure and general regulations of the region? I mean, even if you are a US citizen but not living in the US, it shouldn't be a problem because if you are gambling from another country, the rules of that country would be applied to whatever the casino does because they aren't operating in the US but they are just serving a person who is from the USA but living somewhere else, so there will be no regulatory complications in that case.

So, you should contact the support team of any casino that you wish to gamble with and confirm this with them, and I believe they would allow you to make deposits and withdrawals without any problem if you can show them a proof of residence and if the country you are currently in is accepted by them.

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I love to see casinos making their KYC prices as quick as exchange does because having to wait a week or two to see your documents verified is quite draining and at that, we have to make out the time to make sure that if we must register and play on centralized casinos who's KYC is mandatory then it better you start the process on time, in that way, you have enough time to spend waiting for your documents to get and verified.
So for sure, you will not have any problem with the casino and you can withdraw any amount since your account is already verified, much more so you never have reasons to get into troubles that may warrant your accounts being locked, or any of such, so any casino that goes above that by not letting gamblers to verify their accounts, it may have alot to do with their reputations and most likely to be scam casinos.

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Quote from: Oilacris on December 01, 2023, 06:59:26 PM

Quote from: arwin100 on December 01, 2023, 03:57:51 AM

Quote from: Porfirii on December 01, 2023, 12:57:07 AM

Quote from: jerry0 on November 30, 2023, 09:57:27 PM

What casinos allow US players to play on and ask for KYC for register and for withdraw?

What about US players but they are abroad?

If they are abroad and not asked to perform KYC on beforehand, then they will be able to play. But it can be tricky because if they win big they will have to give their data and, if they weren't allowed to play, they'd lose all the winnings (and the deposit too).

If they are in their homeland, then we all know that VPNs can work sometimes, but it's the same in the end: read the T&Cs and, even if they don't mention VPNs, take into account that their policy could change at anytime, and also what I mentioned in the previous paragraph about the KYC.

I don't know if there's a person gets a problem with this kind of scenario but I think its fine since they are currently not on restricted country and playing on allowed premises. So I guess they just need to provide proof that can easily check out that they are not on US and in a country where they are allowed to play. For that maybe if there's proof to be shown a casino would provably allow the user to withdraw all the winnings if there's a withdrawal request also to continue to play at them if I'm not wrong with this. But to make it more clearer I guess its better to ask the casino representative regarding on this case since maybe they could allow those people who currently not on restricted regions to play on their casino.

When a certain player would really be hitting up some huge nasty wins then for sure a casino would really be making those kind of checks from IP address,until to multiaccount or whatever possible
violations that they could throw on, on the time that they've seen nothing then they would releasing those funds but if those platforms are those shady or scam ones then pretty sure they would really be having a long line of possible reasons just for them to deny on paying up those winnings. Doesnt matter if this one is correlating with some KYC checks or not. You would really be
able to avoid of possible headaches if you are really just that joining or playing on sites which are having that reputation and popularity.

Casinos should not make this experience a nightmare because when we go to play in a casino what we are looking for is to win, if we achieve it, the normal thing, the logical thing is that we can withdraw money, it is what we are all looking for, nothing It happens when you lose money in a casino, I have not seen a case where a player who loses, the casino requires a KYC to keep track and they say that they have to comply with it, well they don't, but in the case that the player He wins, if they demand everything, I don't like that, it's not well Regarded , and that can be annoying, it's something that I don't like about a casino.

If a casino asks for KYC, it must do so if the player wins or loses. If the player does not win, they can and should still ask for KYC or give them Emails to send it as soon as Possible and complete it with KYC. This is what I see as the most correct thing, for those reasons. We have to be very careful when we choose a casino to play , because we can have a hard time if we need to withdraw more money.

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Quote from: arwin100 on December 01, 2023, 03:57:51 AM

Quote from: Porfirii on December 01, 2023, 12:57:07 AM

Quote from: jerry0 on November 30, 2023, 09:57:27 PM

What casinos allow US players to play on and ask for KYC for register and for withdraw?

What about US players but they are abroad?

If they are abroad and not asked to perform KYC on beforehand, then they will be able to play. But it can be tricky because if they win big they will have to give their data and, if they weren't allowed to play, they'd lose all the winnings (and the deposit too).

If they are in their homeland, then we all know that VPNs can work sometimes, but it's the same in the end: read the T&Cs and, even if they don't mention VPNs, take into account that their policy could change at anytime, and also what I mentioned in the previous paragraph about the KYC.

I don't know if there's a person gets a problem with this kind of scenario but I think its fine since they are currently not on restricted country and playing on allowed premises. So I guess they just need to provide proof that can easily check out that they are not on US and in a country where they are allowed to play. For that maybe if there's proof to be shown a casino would provably allow the user to withdraw all the winnings if there's a withdrawal request also to continue to play at them if I'm not wrong with this. But to make it more clearer I guess its better to ask the casino representative regarding on this case since maybe they could allow those people who currently not on restricted regions to play on their casino.

When a certain player would really be hitting up some huge nasty wins then for sure a casino would really be making those kind of checks from IP address,until to multiaccount or whatever possible
violations that they could throw on, on the time that they've seen nothing then they would releasing those funds but if those platforms are those shady or scam ones then pretty sure they would really be having a long line of possible reasons just for them to deny on paying up those winnings. Doesnt matter if this one is correlating with some KYC checks or not. You would really be
able to avoid of possible headaches if you are really just that joining or playing on sites which are having that reputation and popularity.

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Quote from: jerry0 on December 01, 2023, 05:51:00 PM

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This wouldn't be a problem only for casinos that accept players from the US. If the casino, be it a fiat or crypto casino, restricts players from the US or has the US on its blacklist then, as far as I know, you are not supposed to play there. Your account will probably get banned.
I believe it may be fine if you have citizenship of the other country where you are located. In that case just verify your identity with the other passport.

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So I mentioned I do play on gambling sites but these sites don't all primarily use crypto as deposit/withdraw method. They use ewallets like skrill etc.

I am already KYC with them a while back with my US passport and with my non-US utility bill in the abroad country that I'm in and I have no issues playing or depositing or withdrawing.

I wanted to know if there are any crypto sites that I can sign up for while outside the US where this would not be an issue. The reason being lot of these crypto sites seem to not accept US citizens correct? So even though I'm a US citizen but I'm abroad and have a non US utility bill, would that be enough to play there? The thing is I don't want to deposit crypto and play there and only when I withdraw, they say even though you are abroad and have a non-US utility bill that you stay at, well because you are a US citizen, we won't pay you out whether it's your winnings or even your original deposit balance. So wanted to know are there any sites like that.

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Quote from: vv181 on November 30, 2023, 11:16:47 AM

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I'm pretty sure most casinos stated they require a KYC and any related verification requirements within their site. When the user signs up, they must accept the terms of service or terms and conditions. Any related information regarding KYC must be stated over there, so they did not necessarily need to state it clearly because it has already been stated on the terms. The problem is most users are ignorant or do not even bother to look over the documents that they agreed/accepted upon.

The first thing a gambler should do is to read through the terms and conditions of the casino and also be able to understand them at all times, be for you even make an account on such a casino, and this is what most casino users don't understand, some of them just go ahead with account creation even though they have not properly read and understand the terms and conditions of the service and how the level of their KYC have been.

Before accepting the term of service of the casino we must first of all be willing to hand out our documents for verifications because this is the most important stage that always gets gamblers stock at some point if they don't understand what really is happening.

It has been a general habit that most users don't do actually read TnC or ToS even though they agreed when signing up. We can't do much and I myself sometimes fall into that scenario.

Nevertheless, concerning gambling sites where identity verification sometimes is a questionable condition, it should be necessary for users to, at least, skim the terms. Users can easily use the feature find in the page to search the word like "KYC", "identity", "AML", and any related words. That alone should give a basic sense of whether KYC is a prerequisite in some particular site.

Quote from: Alphie12 on November 30, 2023, 05:14:52 PM

It's similar to jaywalking, it's the same law everywhere but not enforced in some places. KYC has the same rules everywhere, some casinos don't enforce. Play at the casinos that don't KYC.

That is good and straightforward advice that many gamblers sometimes don't practice. They can choose and decide on which places they play. especially if KYC is their concern.

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Quote from: Porfirii on December 01, 2023, 12:57:07 AM

Quote from: jerry0 on November 30, 2023, 09:57:27 PM

What casinos allow US players to play on and ask for KYC for register and for withdraw?

What about US players but they are abroad?

If they are abroad and not asked to perform KYC on beforehand, then they will be able to play. But it can be tricky because if they win big they will have to give their data and, if they weren't allowed to play, they'd lose all the winnings (and the deposit too).

If they are in their homeland, then we all know that VPNs can work sometimes, but it's the same in the end: read the T&Cs and, even if they don't mention VPNs, take into account that their policy could change at anytime, and also what I mentioned in the previous paragraph about the KYC.

I don't know if there's a person gets a problem with this kind of scenario but I think its fine since they are currently not on restricted country and playing on allowed premises. So I guess they just need to provide proof that can easily check out that they are not on US and in a country where they are allowed to play. For that maybe if there's proof to be shown a casino would provably allow the user to withdraw all the winnings if there's a withdrawal request also to continue to play at them if I'm not wrong with this. But to make it more clearer I guess its better to ask the casino representative regarding on this case since maybe they could allow those people who currently not on restricted regions to play on their casino.

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Quote from: jerry0 on December 01, 2023, 01:59:51 AM

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Quote from: jerry0 on November 30, 2023, 09:57:27 PM

What casinos allow US players to play on and ask for KYC for register and for withdraw?

What about US players but they are abroad?

Betcoin and Nitrobetting allow US and rarely KYC.

Is nitrobetting the same as nitrogensports?

Betcoin was always that name?

So with these sites you only deposit/withdraw and bet with btc? And not usd or euro correct? What about using other altcoins like ltc to deposit/withdraw or they don't allow that?

https://nitrobetting.eu
https://www.betcoin.ag
https://www.bk8usd.com/en-us/home

Try to visit these bookies. I would like to include sportsbet.io as well on the list.
When it comes to options of the coins that they are accepting then they do have tons of choice, so its up to you on what you would gonna choose.
I can attest these sites are legit and also that reputable.

When it comes on choosing sites whether a bookie or a casino then it would really be always best that you should really make up some research first before
you would really be planning to make some deposit.Always verify first and not only just making a single research.

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