Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 46. (Read 12703 times)

That is the main problem why many gamblers are having problem with casinos. They are in a hurry to register, deposit and play without realizing the importance of knowing the terms and condition of the casino.  Many of them thinks that TOS of every casino is the same which is a very wrong assumption.  They might be somehow identical but there are always a distinctive rule that separates each casino form the other.  Knowing these rules is a must in order for any gambler to avoid troubles.

Besides, many gamblers sometimes experience unwritten or vague rules imposed by the casino such as using VPN and TOR.  A gambler who often uses that application should make a clear inquiry about the legality of the use of those software when playing in a casino so it is better to ask the support stuff about it.

Breaking these vague rules often ends up in an account suspension and possible KYC procedure in under the AML.

Well, as far as I am concerned, I have always seen KYC as a mandatory procedure to be able to comply with the regulatory or licensing requirements of casinos, because for me KYC means only that, and in fact in crypto they should not request no type of identification, do as before, that only the user's ID was enough to do everything, now everything is trying to involve many controlling agents, which is not good because always something that enters a government is not good, However, as I have said, it must be complied with, but since we are people who also have things to do and many experiences to live in the casino, it is good that the most reliable things and those that we like are met so that the requirement is met. of KYC, therefore when we do it only in our favorite sites it is different, because we already know more what the casino is like and many users have had this type of porbelma in casinos that are relatively new.

The casinos that are relatively new, at least I refrain from doing any activity there, because I know that they request KYC, and until I have a high degree of trust and reputation, I do not deposit in that casino, because the truth is I don't trust it, and with that I save myself the problem that other players have that when they deposit, everything is fine, but when it comes to withdrawing at least $100 it is not possible because they have to comply with the KYC requirement, and if it is not met, it is not possible. There is money, so it is something that makes the player stuck there and it is not beneficial, because the withdrawal process should be immediate, as it was before they implemented KYC, that is why it is necessary that we have a vision of what They are the casinos in which we want to live, have a good time and have a very good experience, otherwise it is better to stay still until we achieve it and expand to more, of course is my advice.

I don't know if the inability of gamblers to read the terms and conditions of casinos is due to laziness or what have but to be frank with us,  it saves a whole lot to take that stress to read them through before considering opening an account on those casinos,  just like many member have mentioned already,  many times the problem most of the casino users encounter could have been avoided if they put in the extra efforts to read through those denouement's and getting themselves use to them to be able to navigate through every challenge that may come along the way.

Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers, because in the end it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.

To be honest, 99% of websites have ToS that gives them all the rights to do whatever they want once you register and create account. I once read whole ToS page of Coinbase because I couldn't believe what I heard about their terms from forum members and then I lost my mind I think, for many people, it doesn't make any sense to read ToS because if you want to gamble, you'll register anyway but you may face surprises on the way. Overall, to my mind, this business is mostly based on trust instead of ToS. If there is a casino that rarely asks for KYC and doesn't have problem with withdrawals, people choose them because they get recommendation from their friends or discover them on forums like Bitcointalk and Reddit, or on other social media websites.

Well, you are right, most gamblers are very lazy in terms of reading, I myself too sometimes fail to read terms and conditions of a casino before or after joining, I just go ahead, deposit and start playing there.
But the difference I believe is that, I am always ready for what ever comes, be it kyc or what ever.

In the nutshell, I personally believe that every gambler should always be ready for kyc, most especially, if as a gambler, you are playing on a casino that is registered and has a operating license, this I believe have nothing to do with whether the gambler reads the casino's terms and conditions or not, 99 percent of all licensed casino's are all kyc compliant.

Underestimating the power of the terms and conditions of a casino is the beginning of frustration for the gambler after you have been asked to go through with some key demands on the casino such as KYC,  most times, casinos have many of the things that gamblers complain about when they encounter challenges all outlined and explained on their terms of service.

But the inability of some gamblers to take the time to read through and understand what the terms of service are with the casino and what are they do or don't while playing there,  failure to do so will amount to problems for the gamblers.

I think that you can do nothing with them. Several weeks ago i won with the 14 odds, but the bookie just returned my money due to "technical mistakes of operator". After my appeal the bookie answered, that they "think that it was not a fair match". Anyway in ToS there are some moments, that allow casino to cheat. I think that if there is nothing about KYC in ToS, there are some moments that allow them to ask some private data from the gambler.

Ofcourse no one can do anything about it, including the gambling platform, ones it comes to the issues related to gambling casinos and their KYC requirements, things must be well in place by the gambler's response on every request, ignoring it is a sign that we are inviting a penalty or sanction for non compliance to their request, but when we already know that we cannot cope with having kyc challenges, we are better on with making decision in going for the casinos that does not require KYC althrough.

As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.

Yes, that is something that you can take as a preventive measure, the KYC thing is something that can be taken as something that should be done and accepted, because when things are like this, they have to be done in the right way, that is, we We have to be aware of what we are doing, when we do certain things, then we consider the following, when I see a casino that is reliable, I can see that I do the KYC, because it will be a casino that I will always frequent, and it would be quite annoying If I enter the caisno and then I cannot do anything else until they approve it, because I have seen that there are many caisno where the KYC is made demanding, the reason? I don't know, but it is something that should not be done, because in a casino, before making a deposit, they should comply with the KYC so that there are no problems of any kind, that is why we always have the conviction to be in a casino , we must decide very well and without any type of regrets.

The cases of VPNs are very likely to generate more things so that problems arise in casinos, all due to a problem of governments, of adjacency where in certain countries they are prohibited, and even the vision of more in a casino with VPNs It is always focused so that they are more anonymous, others use it so that they can enter and play because they belong to prohibited countries, which seems very extreme to me and looks very bad. Of course, I do not agree with those things about having an eprosna What to restrict playing in a place just because it is from one of those countries, I don't agree, wherever we are from we have the right to play and the other is that casinos should accept people from other countries using the VPN, because basically things will always be better in a casino when there are more people in a casino and if many people in the country are rejected they will stop winning for those people who eagerly want a chance.

Unless I don't intend to spend a lot of time on a particular casino,  or I am not going to make a big deposits into the account,  only then will I not consider to have pass through my kyc verification before making my first deposits into the account,  many time what result into most of the difficulties face by gamblers with reputable casino is for the fact that they failed to comply with the casino from the start,  e.g,  is bad approach to register on a centralized casino using VPN,  because by doing so,  the gambler is already violating the regional rules and if the casino keeps cookies of the browsers,  it may become hard to get such account verified along the way.

Well, crypto deposits/withdrawals are faster and without any questions. And if you are someone who lives in some third-world country you will have a lot of trouble with fiat gambling casinos, not every casino accepts the banks from your country, it's hard to deposit, it's even harder to withdraw, and there are questions where did you get money from and maybe you even need to pay some tax... with crypto we are anonymous, and there is a lot of freedom for us.

For all those reasons I gamble only with crypto... I never had Skirll/Paypal/or any other similar service. I am the only crypto gambler, and I think I will use only crypto for gambling as long as I gamble.

When trying out to compare crypto casinos to those fiat online based ones then their differences is notable or something that obvious.

In crypto
1. Crypto deposits
2. No KYC (unless you do hit up a deposit threshold)
3. Anonymous


In fiat
1. Using up cards
2. No privacy
3. Subject to hold if there's a huge money involved

Im not saying that crypto platforms wont really be holding those huge funds but this is only on the time that you are dealing with shady casinos
but if you are dealing on something that had been trusted for years then i dont see any issues on which you would really be able to face
on in regards into this one. So it is really that clear as day on which or what place on where those gamblers would really be loving on
sticking into.

Is there a reason people play on online casinos that use crypto vs say traditional payments?  Example like using skrill for example?


Also what casinos online don't you cashout even when you submit the KYC later?  Examples?



Now when you create an account on their online casinos that use crypto as deposit and payment method, they do ask you for your address correct or not?  Or only your name?  So what if you send them your passport and it's US but you are abroad and the utility bill you give them is where you are located and abroad?  Also you never use a vpn.  There is no issue there right?  The thing is if you entered your name and abroad address at signup, there should be no issue?  But are there casino online sites that don't even ask you to enter your address besides just your name though?  Then you might have a problem?

I totally agree with you on what you just said above, because apart from checking for which casino offers a KYC free usage or not, another good criteria gamblers needs to check out for is "reputation", while obeying all casino rules, because one clear fact that I know is that a legit casino can never deny you your withdrawal, inasmuch as you are not gambling from a restricted area, and you were able to provide all needed credentials, your withdrawal will definitely be honoured. But just that it could take time, which is why it's best to do what "Hirose UK" just said above, so as to be on the safer side.

And a good example of it is 1xbit, 1xbet and e.t.c, that will never ask for KYC while depositing and losing your bets, but the very moment you win huge, you start having one problem or the other, so as to avoid paying you your rightful winning.

Yes agree with the fact that we need to avoid casinos that deliberately scam their users, there are the bad actors in the market that have given a lot of other legit casinos a bad name and that is not acceptable for such a time like this,  when we have some other provable and legit casino,  so for sure any casino that ask it users to pay a certain amount as penalty is obviously a scam casino already and should be avoided by all means possible because putting up such an act is a pour signed of potential exit scam on the user.

Although I have not heard anything of such before and if that be it,  it means that 1xbit or any casino that asks its clients to pay to get their verification through should be reported and avoided by all means just as we have done with 1xbit here in the forum.

There's nothing to doubt about that, there are untrustworthy gambling casinos one must surely avoided when choosing which to use while gambling, there are many gamblers encounter with some casinos whereby they will have to lock and ban their account just in other to ensure that they were unable to make withdrawals of their funds, some will even place demands in asking the gambler to make deposit or pay a particular amount for violating the rules as sanction.

Most times, people do underestimate the power of terms and conditions and in most cases, people don’t bother to read the terms and conditions of a casino because most times that very section is always very long and gamblers just skip and assume all is well and just with the cases of signature campaigns where a manager and the campaign term has the right to adjust their terms at any time, same also applies to most of this casinos because they also make it clear in their terms of services that they have the right to adjust their terms and conditions at any time and I agree with @piebeyb that small gamblers shouldn’t at Sime times be bothered with T&C but the moment your stakes are getting above your limit, then it should be a time to revisit the T&C to avoid issues later on.

There are already quite lot of gamblers who experience the same problems as you regarding KYC requirements, but now we all have to be able to understand and respect every policy in the requirements set by the casino, whether it KYC or something else.
Being wise gambler and obeying the rules has nothing to lose and in fact we can always avoid things that we don't want, especially when we have provided KYC requirements from the start then we can be calmer in the future.
Rather than giving the casino what it needs when asking for it at the time of withdrawal, it is clearly better to give it immediately from the start so that whatever happens we can handle it immediately.

But regarding KYC being associated with casinos that look shady is actually not correct assumption because there are also shady casinos that ask for KYC requirements from their customers.
Even shady casinos always ask for KYC if customer gets big win and this KYC request aims to prevent customers from being able to withdraw their winnings and complicates the whole process.