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Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 07:20:33 AM

Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

nothing new in that... multipools are for lazy people, so it is ok rip them off Grin

Yup.Lazy and stupid. I was making 2.5 LTC a day with 60 mh/s quark...do the math people Now nothing.Go ahead and get ripped off by yaamp pool and kill the coins.
There's a coin that pays out exponentially djm and a mutipool like that kills it for me during the high payout cycle. It switches to that high payout cycle and I get very few blocks. Then it switches to another coin.

If someone finds out a solution for this I am willing to join. 50 mh/s.

not using a multipool seems like a pretty good solution to me

I dunno djm ... I think a 'fair' multipool with no hidden crap is by far the best - albiet quite a lot of work ...

im willing to set up a test infrastructure if there is help from any devs that may be interested in designing and building such a pool ...

I also have about 250MH ( x11 ) to use on occasion for testing ... another 50MH pledged earlier and maybe some others to help ...

all uncensored and opensource and completely transparent to the public ...

it would also be one of the best areas to test your ( and other devs ) miners and kernel optimizations as you all would have priveledged unencumbered access to the pool ...

why not? ... would be a nice project to undertake if devs were willing ...

...

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Quote from: antantti on March 13, 2015, 12:48:51 PM

Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 02:48:33 PM

Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 07:20:33 AM

Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

nothing new in that... multipools are for lazy people, so it is ok rip them off Grin

Yup.Lazy and stupid. I was making 2.5 LTC a day with 60 mh/s quark...do the math people Now nothing.Go ahead and get ripped off by yaamp pool and kill the coins.
There's a coin that pays out exponentially djm and a mutipool like that kills it for me during the high payout cycle. It switches to that high payout cycle and I get very few blocks. Then it switches to another coin.

If someone finds out a solution for this I am willing to join. 50 mh/s.

not using a multipool seems like a pretty good solution to me

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Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 02:48:33 PM

Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 07:20:33 AM

Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

nothing new in that... multipools are for lazy people, so it is ok rip them off Grin

Yup.Lazy and stupid. I was making 2.5 LTC a day with 60 mh/s quark...do the math people Now nothing.Go ahead and get ripped off by yaamp pool and kill the coins.
There's a coin that pays out exponentially djm and a mutipool like that kills it for me during the high payout cycle. It switches to that high payout cycle and I get very few blocks. Then it switches to another coin.

If someone finds out a solution for this I am willing to join. 50 mh/s.

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Quote from: chrysophylax on March 13, 2015, 05:26:34 AM

Quote from: tbearhere on March 13, 2015, 03:54:35 AM

Quote from: tbearhere on March 13, 2015, 03:54:35 AM

A good profit switch algorithm is complex. The key is to find block(s) during profitable period.
Last time when I use WafflePool, I notice they don't always switch to the most profit coin. Most of the time it was the 2nd most profitable coin. It makes sense as most multipools will switch to the most profitable coin and kill the profitability as difficulty will sky rocket within a few blocks. If the pool does not find block(s) within those profitable period, then the hashes are wasted.
Also there are time when low net-hash coin is profitable, so you will need a way to split only a small portion of your hashes to mine those profitable low net-hash coin.

Yes exactly... that's the way I mine. If a coins difficulty goes down low enough, then I turn my miners to that coin..and then trade it..not dump it. Wink

i work in a similar way also - but also have a portion ( very small at the moment until it gets much bigger ) of the farm to mining our own ( granitecoin ) and the rest of the farm split into mining other coins - or completely 'all-in' with a particular coin ...

i guess its just a matter of watching the market and making a damn good guesstimate of what need to be mined and traded ...

would be nice if there was a 'proper' way of making a multipool that does that all automatically ...

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Yes that would be nice.

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Quote from: tbearhere on March 13, 2015, 03:44:50 AM

A good profit switch algorithm is complex. The key is to find block(s) during profitable period.
Last time when I use WafflePool, I notice they don't always switch to the most profit coin. Most of the time it was the 2nd most profitable coin. It makes sense as most multipools will switch to the most profitable coin and kill the profitability as difficulty will sky rocket within a few blocks. If the pool does not find block(s) within those profitable period, then the hashes are wasted.
Also there are time when low net-hash coin is profitable, so you will need a way to split only a small portion of your hashes to mine those profitable low net-hash coin.

Yes exactly... that's the way I mine. If a coins difficulty goes down low enough, then I turn my miners to that coin..and then trade it..not dump it. Wink

i work in a similar way also - but also have a portion ( very small at the moment until it gets much bigger ) of the farm to mining our own ( granitecoin ) and the rest of the farm split into mining other coins - or completely 'all-in' with a particular coin ...

i guess its just a matter of watching the market and making a damn good guesstimate of what need to be mined and traded ...

would be nice if there was a 'proper' way of making a multipool that does that all automatically ...

#crysx

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Quote from: chrysophylax on March 12, 2015, 08:10:14 PM

Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 02:48:33 PM

Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 07:20:33 AM

Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

nothing new in that... multipools are for lazy people, so it is ok rip them off Grin

Yup.Lazy and stupid. I was making 2.5 LTC a day with 60 mh/s quark...do the math people Now nothing.Go ahead and get ripped off by yaamp pool and kill the coins.
There's a coin that pays out exponentially djm and a mutipool like that kills it for me during the high payout cycle. It switches to that high payout cycle and I get very few blocks. Then it switches to another coin.

hmmm ... and here i am thinking that it was one of the better ones ...

tanx for that ...

is there a way of making a multipool that is COMPLETELY fair on coins payouts? ...

id be interested to see whether it is possible and how much time - effort - money it would cost to make one ...

#crysx

Hi crysx,
The real problem is that these multipools dump on auto sell making the coins worthless, so price of coin drops drastically. And when they added quark algo...that was it for me. Again the real problem is auto sell. What really needs to be done is miners mine the coin directly in a regular pool or into there wallet or the pool owner not autosell or sell for a higher price at least. If one where to make a multipool that the owner would trade instead of dump then the other multipool will be still dumping at a low price making it impossible to make any coins at all.
Edit: They don't trade coins...they dump them.

so in effect - its useless to even try and put together a fair and equitable pool model ...

unless of course you have the majority of miners on your side of course

...

i mine differently anyway ...

as a donation - yes mining is given through yaamp / westhash ... but not personally ...

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Quote from: chrysophylax on March 12, 2015, 08:10:14 PM

A good profit switch algorithm is complex. The key is to find block(s) during profitable period.
Last time when I use WafflePool, I notice they don't always switch to the most profit coin. Most of the time it was the 2nd most profitable coin. It makes sense as most multipools will switch to the most profitable coin and kill the profitability as difficulty will sky rocket within a few blocks. If the pool does not find block(s) within those profitable period, then the hashes are wasted.
Also there are time when low net-hash coin is profitable, so you will need a way to split only a small portion of your hashes to mine those profitable low net-hash coin.

Yes exactly... that's the way I mine. If a coins difficulty goes down low enough, then I turn my miners to that coin..and then trade it..not dump it. Wink

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Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 02:48:33 PM

Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 07:20:33 AM

Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

nothing new in that... multipools are for lazy people, so it is ok rip them off Grin

Yup.Lazy and stupid. I was making 2.5 LTC a day with 60 mh/s quark...do the math people Now nothing.Go ahead and get ripped off by yaamp pool and kill the coins.
There's a coin that pays out exponentially djm and a mutipool like that kills it for me during the high payout cycle. It switches to that high payout cycle and I get very few blocks. Then it switches to another coin.

hmmm ... and here i am thinking that it was one of the better ones ...

tanx for that ...

is there a way of making a multipool that is COMPLETELY fair on coins payouts? ...

id be interested to see whether it is possible and how much time - effort - money it would cost to make one ...

#crysx

Hi crysx,
The real problem is that these multipools dump on auto sell making the coins worthless, so price of coin drops drastically. And when they added quark algo...that was it for me. Again the real problem is auto sell. What really needs to be done is miners mine the coin directly in a regular pool or into there wallet or the pool owner not autosell or sell for a higher price at least. If one where to make a multipool that the owner would trade instead of dump then the other multipool will be still dumping at a low price making it impossible to make any coins at all.
Edit: They don't trade coins...they dump them.

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Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 02:48:33 PM

A good profit switch algorithm is complex. The key is to find block(s) during profitable period.
Last time when I use WafflePool, I notice they don't always switch to the most profit coin. Most of the time it was the 2nd most profitable coin. It makes sense as most multipools will switch to the most profitable coin and kill the profitability as difficulty will sky rocket within a few blocks. If the pool does not find block(s) within those profitable period, then the hashes are wasted.
Also there are time when low net-hash coin is profitable, so you will need a way to split only a small portion of your hashes to mine those profitable low net-hash coin.

ok - so a 'good' multipool is one that targets not so much THE most profitable coin - but one that IS profitable ...

that actually makes sense ...

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A good profit switch algorithm is complex. The key is to find block(s) during profitable period.
Last time when I use WafflePool, I notice they don't always switch to the most profit coin. Most of the time it was the 2nd most profitable coin. It makes sense as most multipools will switch to the most profitable coin and kill the profitability as difficulty will sky rocket within a few blocks. If the pool does not find block(s) within those profitable period, then the hashes are wasted.
Also there are time when low net-hash coin is profitable, so you will need a way to split only a small portion of your hashes to mine those profitable low net-hash coin.

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Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 07:20:33 AM

Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

nothing new in that... multipools are for lazy people, so it is ok rip them off Grin

Yup.Lazy and stupid. I was making 2.5 LTC a day with 60 mh/s quark...do the math people Now nothing.Go ahead and get ripped off by yaamp pool and kill the coins.
There's a coin that pays out exponentially djm and a mutipool like that kills it for me during the high payout cycle. It switches to that high payout cycle and I get very few blocks. Then it switches to another coin.

hmmm ... and here i am thinking that it was one of the better ones ...

tanx for that ...

is there a way of making a multipool that is COMPLETELY fair on coins payouts? ...

id be interested to see whether it is possible and how much time - effort - money it would cost to make one ...

#crysx

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Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 07:20:33 AM

Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

nothing new in that... multipools are for lazy people, so it is ok rip them off Grin

Yup.Lazy and stupid. I was making 2.5 LTC a day with 60 mh/s quark...do the math people Now nothing.Go ahead and get ripped off by yaamp pool and kill the coins.
There's a coin that pays out exponentially djm and a mutipool like that kills it for me during the high payout cycle. It switches to that high payout cycle and I get very few blocks. Then it switches to another coin.

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Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 07:20:33 AM

Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

nothing new in that... multipools are for lazy people, so it is ok rip them off Grin

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Quote from: tbearhere on March 12, 2015, 07:20:33 AM

Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

how do you work that out mate? ...

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Yaamp is a coin killer and only pays 1/3 of what you could make if you mine the coin directly Angry

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Quote from: sp_ on March 11, 2015, 06:02:38 AM

Quote from: smolen on March 09, 2015, 09:12:30 PM

Quote from: smolen on March 09, 2015, 01:44:04 AM

Rough idea - use lookup tables to pick up only linear independent bits and regenerate the rest by boolean matrix multiplication.

Small R and E lookup tables, the only source of non-linearity in whirlpool, take only 4*16 bits and could be implemented via uint64_t shift, without any memory access. Yeah, chatting with myself here

I bitsliced R and E and Einv.

The 980 has 96KB of shared mem. (level 1 cache 1 cycle per read) The current opensource miner do a lookup for every 8 bits.
By increasing each lookup to use 11 bits I reduce the number of table lookups 25%

11bits will also fit into the 64KB 750 sharedmem limit wich is 64kb.

I call it the X-box.

Precalculated, but faster.

you back already sp? ...

Wink

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Quote from: sp_ on March 11, 2015, 06:02:38 AM

I bitsliced R and E and Einv.

No actual code yet, bitsliced whirlpool lives in tables in memory. Just above 2000 commands per round, 2 hashes in parallel for 32 bit operations Sad

Have to write codegenerator.

The 980 has 96KB of shared mem. (level 1 cache 1 cycle per read) The current opensource miner do a lookup for every 8 bits.
By increasing each lookup to use 11 bits I reduce the number of table lookups 25%

11bits will also fit into the 64KB 750 sharedmem limit wich is 64kb.

I call it the X-box.

Precalculated, but faster.

Cool!

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Quote from: jjjordan on March 09, 2015, 09:38:12 PM

release 42, trying whirlpoolx:

Code:

C:\_Mining\ccminer-sp>ccminer -a whirlpoolx -o stratum+tcp://stratum.westhash.com:3343 -R 5 -u 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -p d=0.02 -d 0
*** ccminer 1.5.41-git(SP-MOD) for nVidia GPUs by sp-hash@github ***
Built with VC++ 2013 and nVidia CUDA SDK 6.5

what am I missing? I have GTX 970s

It says 1.5.41 not 1.5.42?

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Quote from: smolen on March 09, 2015, 09:12:30 PM

Quote from: smolen on March 09, 2015, 01:44:04 AM

Rough idea - use lookup tables to pick up only linear independent bits and regenerate the rest by boolean matrix multiplication.

Small R and E lookup tables, the only source of non-linearity in whirlpool, take only 4*16 bits and could be implemented via uint64_t shift, without any memory access. Yeah, chatting with myself here

I bitsliced R and E and Einv.

The 980 has 96KB of shared mem. (level 1 cache 1 cycle per read) The current opensource miner do a lookup for every 8 bits.
By increasing each lookup to use 11 bits I reduce the number of table lookups 25%

11bits will also fit into the 64KB 750 sharedmem limit wich is 64kb.

I call it the X-box.

Precalculated, but faster.

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Quote from: Bombadil on March 10, 2015, 07:11:25 AM

Quote from: sp_ on March 09, 2015, 05:36:29 AM

I'm going to bangkok and spend some satoshis. Wink

Shall we call you Mrs. Sp_ afterwards? Tongue

J/k, have a great one Cheesy

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