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This is the life we lead when profits hit the shitter. Hopefully they stay +$2 a 1070.
1) Yup, I discussed POWER DRAW, which pertains to cooling, not efficiency (literally worded it exactly that way). You can have something that draws a crapton of power and is insanely efficient (or inefficient). That's why you need a three slot cooler to cool a 1080 TI well, which I stipulated specifically that, once again reader comprehension is your friend.
2) Yes, the 1080 scales much better then the 1080ti, but when it comes down to it, it still has issues with some algos. Bitcore for instance it only scales up by 20% based on numbers on Yiimp. 25% for Lbry.
3) While it doesn't seem like much, it essentially nullifies the benefit of buying the card in the first place as the smaller that number gets, the less that card is actually worth. In addition to that Nvidia mining has been pushed down to the point of dual mining being an effective alternative to mining big Nvidia coins (as profitability of Nvidia has fallen). Further into the future Ethereum, specifically Dagger serves as a fall back and 1080/tis can't mine either of those worth crap. Right now you can make more mining Eth+Dcr on a 1070 compared to just Equihash. I mentioned that earlier this year multiple times and even earlier last week before it happened and it happened again, it will happen in the future as well.
The 1080/tis have been out for quite awhile, especially the 1080. Earlier this year and last year 1070s were earning more then 1080s due to what they're capable of mining. It's not always that way and it's nice when algos scale appropriately, but they don't always and when it really matters you don't want to be stuck in the boat where it doesn't scale (say if a new algo comes out that is heavily memory dependent like Dagger).
1) Power draw pertains to cooling. So less power used by 1080 will lead to less overall cooling needed. Isn't that evident for you?
2) Lybry 1070 ~300 1080 ~400. It is 33% not 25%. Bitcore seems more to be badly optimized for 1080? as far as it is not memory dependent algo. Still 20% is the same as the difference in cost of GPU. So as far as other Rig components cost less fo 1080 - it still is a winner even in Bitcore.
3) First 1080 never ever earned less than 1070. Is is simply impossible as far as even mining ETH they mine more by dual mining. Second - you need more MB,CPU,SSD,DDR, PSU, space and total energy comsumption with 1070. It's simple.
You just changed what you said from trying to disprove my discussion of 'efficiency', which I wasn't talking about, to talk about what I did (Power Draw)... only you said exactly what I said... only I didn't say it and you did? I'm confused on that one. Pretty sure you're trying to backtrack and weasel out of being wrong.
Newp. Go to yiimp and look at the benchmarks. There is a lot more the results from one person there and it holds a lot more credibility then your word of mouth.
Not sure you understand how cryptos work. It's entirely possible for a 1070 to earn more dual mining then a 1080 mining equihash. Could the 1080 dual mine as well? Yes. Will it be a tiny bit faster? Yes while absolutely squandering the GPU compute power of the 1080. Unfortunately Nvidia doesn't have a rosy nice dual miner. That further pushes the point I was making that you need to have the option to mine more powerful currencies as niche coins die out, like skunk right now.
Yup. You need to have more rigss... 30% more in a optimal scenario (so lets say $60 on a $200 rig), but mining isn't always optimal, which is why you end up in scenarios where a card that is $200 cheaper will make just as much revenue. Just like a 580 is earning more then a 1070 right now. Still over priced by 60% and still earning more then something that is priced close to what it should (+10%). Weird thing is people don't actually look at stats like this and instead just go 'oh the 580 is overpriced! that's a waste', when pricing and gamer metrics don't apply to mining.
The components aren't the expensive part of the PC, the cards are and what they do matters a heck of a lot more to a certain extent. For instance I'd never build rigs out of 1060s, but there were plenty of people that made piles of 750ti rigs before I started talking about density in this thread..
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