It's closer to 40% slower or a 1070 is 40% faster. That's based off raw CUDA cores. Just off the top, this holds true in Skunk. A 1060 3GB is producing 19 while top results for a 1070 are 32. Which is almost exactly 40% increase. That's from Yiimp. Half as fast was a typo, I meant 50% (but it's closer to 40%).
19 x 1.5 is 28.5. The 40% slower is straight from the difference in cuda cores.
1080/ti both have issues with algos due to their GDDR5X memory. Even algos that they work 'properly' in they don't always get the full speed. You can look at Epsylons thread for more information on that. I had to hammer out a couple really big posts about it and rather not rehash that here. Either way the 1080/ti are bad buys, especially the TIs which have much higher power draw and coolers generally can't keep up with them, in addition to the increased system power draw that requires much more beefy PSUs. They're practically worthless in Dagger. For instance a 1080ti should routinely be 85% faster then a 1070 for the amount of CUDA cores it has, but rarely is and often is closer to 50% depending on the algo.
Best buy still is a 1070, even at the slightly higher prices they have currently.
1) Skunk 1060 6GB ~21, 1070 ~31 1080 ~41
21*1.5 = 31.5
21*2 =42
Straight forward.
2) 1080/ti have issues only with dagger-hashimoto algo. I don't know other. Other algos are like skunk.
3) Your maths is completely wrong
1060 - 115W 21Mh = 5.5W/Mh
1080 - 165W 41Mh = 4W/Mh
Of course you can tweak both of them gaining more or less, but anyway 1080 is superior in w/MH
4) 1080/ti are practically worthless only in 1 algo, but thanks to Claymore they are good in Dual mining leaving 1060/1070 far behind (of course it depends on second coins price). Most other algos don't need fast memory.
So right for the moment 1080 is the best choice because they cost only ~20-25% more than 1070.
Yup, you literally just rewrote what I just wrote for point one after not reading my post.
I don't care about watts a mh. That hasn't mattered for quite some time. A extra 100 watts of power for me at $.1 a KWH is $.24 a day. It's not anywhere closer to that. A extra 10 watts is $.024. Furthermore I never discussed efficiency, I was talking about hash a dollar. Not watts a hash.
1080/ti MOST DEFINITELY have issues with other algos other then dagger. Like I said a 1080ti wont achieve +85% performance over a 1070, most of the time it is +50%. Go look at Epsylons thread for discussion of this or look at Yiimp. I'm not going to spoonfeed you the information, you are definitely wrong.
GDDR5X is faster then GDDR5. Speed isn't the problem with those cards.
1) Are you able to read? I wrote that 1080 is the best buy. It gives more Hasrate/$ than 1060/1070 (for now). It cost 20% more than 1070 but give:
Skunk 1060 6GB ~21, 1070 ~31 1080 ~41 (32%)
Tribus 1060 ~40 1070 ~54 1080 ~77 (42%)
Skein 1060 ~380 1070 ~550 1080 ~720(30%)
Nist5 1070 48.5 1080 64.5 (32%)
Equihash 1070 460 1080 580(26%)
etc.
Everywhere 1080 outperforms 1070 more than it cost. Practicaly daggerhashimoto is the only exception.
As far as most algos are just a combinations of previous ones the picture is the same for most of them.
2) What do you mean "I never discussed efficiency". Who wrote:
"Either way the 1080/ti are bad buys, especially the TIs which have much higher power draw and coolers generally can't keep up with them, in addition to the increased system power draw that requires much more beefy PSUs."
So I pointed that you are completely wrong. You will need more power, you will need more PSU in case you have 1060rigs instead of 1080. It is because 1080 are 25-30% more efficient.
Funny coming from someone who couldn't read far enough to see that my original number was a typo. XD
As far as 'being the best deal', that's subject to backing it up with points, which is what we're doing right now. So, no, just because you say something and I read it doesn't mean I'm going to believe it or that I didn't read it.
Yup, I discussed POWER DRAW, which pertains to cooling, not efficiency (literally worded it exactly that way). You can have something that draws a crapton of power and is insanely efficient (or inefficient). That's why you need a three slot cooler to cool a 1080 TI well, which I stipulated specifically that, once again reader comprehension is your friend.
Yes, the 1080 scales much better then the 1080ti, but when it comes down to it, it still has issues with some algos. Bitcore for instance it only scales up by 20% based on numbers on Yiimp. 25% for Lbry.
While it doesn't seem like much, it essentially nullifies the benefit of buying the card in the first place as the smaller that number gets, the less that card is actually worth. In addition to that Nvidia mining has been pushed down to the point of dual mining being an effective alternative to mining big Nvidia coins (as profitability of Nvidia has fallen). Further into the future Ethereum, specifically Dagger serves as a fall back and 1080/tis can't mine either of those worth crap. Right now you can make more mining Eth+Dcr on a 1070 compared to just Equihash. I mentioned that earlier this year multiple times and even earlier last week before it happened and it happened again, it will happen in the future as well.
Niche coins don't last forever and high volume coins are the ultimate fall back for mining as it supports the highest number of miners (assuming no private miners, all else being equal).
The 1080/tis have been out for quite awhile, especially the 1080. Earlier this year and last year 1070s were earning more then 1080s due to what they're capable of mining. It's not always that way and it's nice when algos scale appropriately, but they don't always and when it really matters you don't want to be stuck in the boat where it doesn't scale (say if a new algo comes out that is heavily memory dependent like Dagger).
Actually I did and took part in conversations about it roughly a year ago in this very thread, but you're assuming things like always. And you just lost that money.
You seem to assume GPL licensing is some ruleset. This is the crypto frontier. No one gives two shits about a fancy rule book that's not enforced until it works in their favor, and then it's done by berating someone. As I mentioned and will also mention again, everyone copies everyone else here in various forms. It's not always verbatim, but it does indeed happen. It all comes down to how well you hide it. If it's just swapping variables and rewriting code to make it look slightly different, encrypting the contents and making them hard to read, or taking the idea and using it to write your own code. There are more ways to do that then one can shake a stick at. It's great you assume others have no understanding of coding.
Uhh.. i'm sorry, but are you calling international criminal law "some ruleset"?
Dude, you can go to get-fucked-up-the-ass prison for violating this. No, it's not particularly likely, but if your moral compass is so skewed that you will willingly violate laws in virtually every country just because you don't think you'll get caught.. then that says more about you than anyone else.
The copyright holders (those sp_ has based his work on) can sue him, if they want. And given the amount of money he's collected on this, they could probably get every cent of it, plus treble damages for willful violation. Of course, the fact that many of these people are in different countries makes this much harder to do, and such suits are expensive, and even if they won, it's hard to say if they'd ever collect. But, it still says something about your moral character.
Yup. Tell the FBI to give me my money back from the BTCe seizure. Oh, it's not going to happen? But what about laws, unlawful seizures, 'morals'. Huh...
Same as anyone getting prosecuted on here from GPL violations. You can give me a case of a developer on BCT getting prosecuted, that would be a interesting read.
The funny thing is, for all the chest beating some of you do, you don't have anyway of actually backing any of it up... And you know it. So you just chest beat harder with sentences like "get-fucked-up-the-ass prison" (lol how many people have went to prison for GPL violations? XD) as a deterrent for any sort of meaningful recourse. In order to actually form a lawsuit someone whose code is violated would actually have to know who they're actually talking to in real life (find their address and where they live, their real name), get a lawyer, and issue a cease and desist. Do you think any of that has happened to SP? Nope. Furthermore all he has to do is rewrite code to make it GPL compliant. IE just swap around some variables and change lines so they look different.
So, in the end whoever takes time to sue him isn't even going to get anything out of it besides a loss of money on their end. It makes this sort of a argument absolutely pointless. Which is why this is all posturing and trying to make it seem like something realllllly bad is going to happen, when we all know it's not going to. Just like people who illegally redistribute SPs work, Wolfs work, or any other developers who make a private miner on here are never going to get a DMCA notice (funny some of you think that's not illegal).
