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Quote from: djm34 on January 21, 2016, 09:45:34 AM

Quote from: Grim on January 21, 2016, 09:35:55 AM

ah right f*** that

actually another alternative would be something a la opencl with precompile kernel (a priori that wouldn't violate the licensing)
but again lots of work...

...and something which doesn't permit reverse engineering the kernel...
...and sometimes the magic is in the miner itself, not the kernel...

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Quote from: Grim on January 21, 2016, 09:35:55 AM

ah right f*** that

actually another alternative would be something a la opencl with precompile kernel (a priori that wouldn't violate the licensing)
but again lots of work...

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ah right f*** that

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Quote from: Grim on January 21, 2016, 09:22:46 AM

What about collaborating with eg. ocminer and his suprnova pools.

AFAIK his pools are all 0% fee and he "lives" of fee donations.

So you guys release closed source miners free of charge which can only connect to his pool and ocminer introduces a fee which goes right to the miner dev account.

Fee donations still go to ocminer as before (he has to pay his servers as well).

(see, no gpl violation Cheesy

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Quote from: Grim on January 21, 2016, 09:22:46 AM

What about collaborating with eg. ocminer and his suprnova pools.

AFAIK his pools are all 0% fee and he "lives" of fee donations.

So you guys release closed source miners free of charge which can only connect to his pool and ocminer introduces a fee which goes right to the miner dev account.

Fee donations still go to ocminer as before (he has to pay his servers as well).

(see, no gpl violation Cheesy

)

gpl licence implies the code must be given to the users when a software is released (it has nothing to do with pricing or else, could be sold for a million dollars, that wouldn't violate the gpl licence; it is just a question of releasing the source)
hence if the code is given away, anyone can modify it and run it on another pool (in that current case...)

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What about collaborating with eg. ocminer and his suprnova pools.

AFAIK his pools are all 0% fee and he "lives" of fee donations.

So you guys release closed source miners free of charge which can only connect to his pool and ocminer introduces a fee which goes right to the miner dev account.

Fee donations still go to ocminer as before (he has to pay his servers as well).

(see, no gpl violation Cheesy

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Quote from: djm34 on January 21, 2016, 08:52:15 AM

Quote from: sambiohazard on January 21, 2016, 08:45:57 AM

I dont know if this is feasible but is there a possibility of some kind of collaboration from miners, pools & other services (like nicehash did with djm) to do a crowdfund for this fee miner. This will give devs an incentive to do a rewrite. I would rather donate say 0.1 or 0.2 (1-2 month of mining for me) & 2% forever than sporadic donations that help no one.

this goes far beyond simple crowdfunding (and seeing the little amount of participant... also why any user would pay to pay additional fee, that doesn't sound logical to me... Grin

Also that would represent a huge amount of work (several months full time) . I wouldn't personally have time to enter such endeavor and no matter what, I wouldn't do it until the funding had been secured.

Hmm its a chiken & egg problem. I would because where thing are going right now is not good for small miners like me & i understand value of your work even if in very abstract terms. I am not mining currently as its not profitable anymore. Maybe i will do folding@home.

I hope altcoin communities come together because they need miners to be profitable & mining to be decentralized, altcoins, pools & miners.

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Quote from: sambiohazard on January 21, 2016, 08:45:57 AM

I dont know if this is feasible but is there a possibility of some kind of collaboration from miners, pools & other services (like nicehash did with djm) to do a crowdfund for this fee miner. This will give devs an incentive to do a rewrite. I would rather donate say 0.1 or 0.2 (1-2 month of mining for me) & 2% forever than sporadic donations that help no one.

this goes far beyond simple crowdfunding (and seeing the little amount of participant... also why any user would pay to pay additional fee, that doesn't sound logical to me... Grin

Also that would represent a huge amount of work (several months full time) . I wouldn't personally have time to enter such endeavor and no matter what, I wouldn't do it until the funding had been secured.

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I dont know if this is feasible but is there a possibility of some kind of collaboration from miners, pools & other services (like nicehash did with djm) to do a crowdfund for this fee miner. This will give devs an incentive to do a rewrite. I would rather donate say 0.1 or 0.2 (1-2 month of mining for me) & 2% forever than sporadic donations that help no one.

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Quote from: sambiohazard on January 21, 2016, 07:43:40 AM

Quote from: chrysophylax on January 20, 2016, 09:10:48 PM

Quote from: sambiohazard on January 20, 2016, 07:23:50 PM

@Slava_K +1, heck i will even run with more % at times of new releases if there is a switch for that.

i have the dev donation links with various algos to mine as a donation through the dbm project - yet not many have used it - and that goes directly through nicehash to the devs account ...

if more and more people used this kind of donation by mining - then we can all amalgamate our hasrates and make for a good donation to the devs ...

my project page - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-chainworks-industries-cwi-project-donate-by-mining-dbm-1089744 ...

it all needs updating and a less 'messy' op - but the info is all there ... including tnelson and stratehm donation links ...

all the links run through the stratehm stratum proxies - so not a single hash is lost through the proxy if the miner is set correctly ...

nicehash themselves have kindly whitelisted ALL the server ips so that ALL servers stay online to the nicehash system ...

give it a go and let me know if it is a system that will amalgamate / unite miners for a single cause or not ...

there is also a rotational server that donates to most of the devs on the list - but i have not made that public yet ... rotates donation time through the devs btc addresses on a 24hour basis ...

#crysx

The problem with using those as opposed to hard coded fee in the miner is that Nicehash is not profitable for me so i mine other coins mostly but if miner itself keeps mining say 2% of mins every 24 Hour like it does in Miner Control then i can mine whatever i want & still support devs. I guess for the time being i have to manually mine half an hour/day(2%) on every devs addy. that way i can support 7 devs/week. If miner had fees then i dont have to do this as it can be set up as devs want ie which algos fee go to whom etc.

but again, we get back to the main problem with dev fee miner (ie closed source... and cannot be written under GPL license... hence need tons of rewrite to get rid of the standard everything licence under GPL).

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Quote from: sambiohazard on January 21, 2016, 07:43:40 AM

Quote from: chrysophylax on January 20, 2016, 09:10:48 PM

Quote from: sambiohazard on January 20, 2016, 07:23:50 PM

@Slava_K +1, heck i will even run with more % at times of new releases if there is a switch for that.

i have the dev donation links with various algos to mine as a donation through the dbm project - yet not many have used it - and that goes directly through nicehash to the devs account ...

if more and more people used this kind of donation by mining - then we can all amalgamate our hasrates and make for a good donation to the devs ...

my project page - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-chainworks-industries-cwi-project-donate-by-mining-dbm-1089744 ...

it all needs updating and a less 'messy' op - but the info is all there ... including tnelson and stratehm donation links ...

all the links run through the stratehm stratum proxies - so not a single hash is lost through the proxy if the miner is set correctly ...

nicehash themselves have kindly whitelisted ALL the server ips so that ALL servers stay online to the nicehash system ...

give it a go and let me know if it is a system that will amalgamate / unite miners for a single cause or not ...

there is also a rotational server that donates to most of the devs on the list - but i have not made that public yet ... rotates donation time through the devs btc addresses on a 24hour basis ...

#crysx

The problem with using those as opposed to hard coded fee in the miner is that Nicehash is not profitable for me so i mine other coins mostly but if miner itself keeps mining say 2% of mins every 24 Hour like it does in Miner Control then i can mine whatever i want & still support devs. I guess for the time being i have to manually mine half an hour/day(2%) on every devs addy. that way i can support 7 devs/week. If miner had fees then i dont have to do this as it can be set up as devs want ie which algos fee go to whom etc.

i agree with this mate ... but for the moment - all the proxies go through nicehash as that is the easiest way of doing it ... and the most convenient - as opposed to the most 'profitable' ...

had i a pool however ... that is a different story altogether ...

and it would NOT be a difficult thing to allow each dev to have control over each of the proxies to mine whatever the DEV wanted to mine ...

and if was a granite pool - there would be no fees or extras in that mining ... what the miner wanted to donate in algo - the dev can choose in coin - and no fees apply ...

now to find a dev that is willing to help me acheive this - first the pool - then the interface for the stratum proxy ( pfool - interested? ) for the sole control of the dev that is assigned the proxy ...

that way - 'we' miners just choose the algo we want to donate - point it at the stratum proxy - and the devs decide what they want to mine - on the pool that is designed FOR the devs ...

id be happy to support that ...

and i have thefarm to start it all off ...

#crysx

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Quote from: chrysophylax on January 20, 2016, 09:10:48 PM

Quote from: sambiohazard on January 20, 2016, 07:23:50 PM

@Slava_K +1, heck i will even run with more % at times of new releases if there is a switch for that.

i have the dev donation links with various algos to mine as a donation through the dbm project - yet not many have used it - and that goes directly through nicehash to the devs account ...

if more and more people used this kind of donation by mining - then we can all amalgamate our hasrates and make for a good donation to the devs ...

my project page - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-chainworks-industries-cwi-project-donate-by-mining-dbm-1089744 ...

it all needs updating and a less 'messy' op - but the info is all there ... including tnelson and stratehm donation links ...

all the links run through the stratehm stratum proxies - so not a single hash is lost through the proxy if the miner is set correctly ...

nicehash themselves have kindly whitelisted ALL the server ips so that ALL servers stay online to the nicehash system ...

give it a go and let me know if it is a system that will amalgamate / unite miners for a single cause or not ...

there is also a rotational server that donates to most of the devs on the list - but i have not made that public yet ... rotates donation time through the devs btc addresses on a 24hour basis ...

#crysx

The problem with using those as opposed to hard coded fee in the miner is that Nicehash is not profitable for me so i mine other coins mostly but if miner itself keeps mining say 2% of mins every 24 Hour like it does in Miner Control then i can mine whatever i want & still support devs. I guess for the time being i have to manually mine half an hour/day(2%) on every devs addy. that way i can support 7 devs/week. If miner had fees then i dont have to do this as it can be set up as devs want ie which algos fee go to whom etc.

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Quote from: bensam1231 on January 21, 2016, 06:24:27 AM

Quote from: djm34 on January 20, 2016, 06:12:12 PM

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Quote from: myagui on January 20, 2016, 09:33:54 AM

Quote from: bensam1231 on January 20, 2016, 06:23:59 AM

[...] WHO on the forums actually does release their miner with conditions and prices that are clearly disclosed in advance? [...]

I did, not so long ago. Works out pretty well as far as I can tell, but would likely get very messy if said miner was being sold to a large number of people. I don't know of any other examples, but I'd imagine other people have done the same.

Side note 1: Being public about the terms of the deal, and changing them after-the-fact, is utter bullshit. I'd say that's much worse than not being public about the terms but sticking to them no matter what.

Side note 2: I understand people are around here with a miner's mindset, and ROI is king. But, if you folks care for the potential of cryptocurrencies at all, maybe someday, try to pick some altcoin that you like, mine it even at a loss, grow a bag, help that community, participate, develop some service, some utility. Much more fun, and oddly enough, big profits on occasion...

I agree... ROI is king... It's hard to open your wallet for donations when there are cobwebs at the bottom (I'm currently negative last month because of Cryptsy)... Right now a 970 makes about $1.20 mining Eth without taking out cost for power.

but then you understand, we may be reluctant to release new miners in these conditions...
I mean you can't really expect us to release for free because the conditions are bad (because it would just be bad for us as well...) hence what is expected is that we find a middle ground or a compromise which would make happy everyone.

and in that case dev fee isn't either a good solution, because miners won't wait for us before dumping on a coin... (and there are a lot more miners than devs)

Not sure what you mean about a dev fee... A % based miner will be constantly mining whatever you have at your proxy setup for X algorithm. 98 shares for the miner, 2 shares for the dev.

Maybe we've always been on a different page when it comes to a miner fee? You have a miner submit 98 shares for whatever pool they're connected to and then two shares to whatever pool you want for the algorithm it's operating on. That would be a 2% fee, relatively speaking.

Or you could do it based on time... 72secs every hour.

Also not entirely certain what you mean by 'bad conditions for developers'. If you say sold your Neoscrypt miner for .1 a pop three months ago things would be quite a bit different or even right now. Kernel developers basically help set the conditions for miners. I can look at SPs miner right now and go 'hey it's not going to ROI, but I have a option of a 5% faster miner in the future for .1'. And of course SP will be improving it so it turns into a better option into the future. So something like x11 will be about 5% faster. Still not profitable, but could be.

Honestly though a % based miner is just the best solution. It rewards developers for making faster kernels constantly and gives miners big and small a chance to compete. You keep updating your miner and the amount of money you make keeps growing too. It's win-win

the problem with the dev fee, is that it collects an altcoin, and technically there are a lot more chance that people dump the coin before a dev has any chance to do it, making it a rather bad deal for the dev.

You can mine to Nicehash or a multipool and you collect BTC. That's why I mentioned it earlier. Technically you can mine to whatever the algo supports. Setting up a proxy (for you) allows you to redirect from a static address as well. You don't need to mine whatever the miner is mining.

There would be two separate stratums. Whatever the miner is mining to and then your proxy. 98 shares to the miners pool and 2 to your proxy. Or you could do it off of time.

Dev fees have been around for quite some time, there are a lot of ways to split it up if you want to. You could make a miner with two or three built in addresses as well.

Like SPs miner would get all the algos except for Neo, Neo goes to your proxy. You guys can really split it up whatever way you want after you get the fee.

yeah well SP would get all the algo except those with fee... Grin

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Quote from: djm34 on January 20, 2016, 06:12:12 PM

Quote from: bensam1231 on January 20, 2016, 04:50:01 PM

Quote from: djm34 on January 20, 2016, 02:02:59 PM

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Quote from: myagui on January 20, 2016, 09:33:54 AM

Quote from: bensam1231 on January 20, 2016, 06:23:59 AM

[...] WHO on the forums actually does release their miner with conditions and prices that are clearly disclosed in advance? [...]

I did, not so long ago. Works out pretty well as far as I can tell, but would likely get very messy if said miner was being sold to a large number of people. I don't know of any other examples, but I'd imagine other people have done the same.

Side note 1: Being public about the terms of the deal, and changing them after-the-fact, is utter bullshit. I'd say that's much worse than not being public about the terms but sticking to them no matter what.

Side note 2: I understand people are around here with a miner's mindset, and ROI is king. But, if you folks care for the potential of cryptocurrencies at all, maybe someday, try to pick some altcoin that you like, mine it even at a loss, grow a bag, help that community, participate, develop some service, some utility. Much more fun, and oddly enough, big profits on occasion...

I agree... ROI is king... It's hard to open your wallet for donations when there are cobwebs at the bottom (I'm currently negative last month because of Cryptsy)... Right now a 970 makes about $1.20 mining Eth without taking out cost for power.

but then you understand, we may be reluctant to release new miners in these conditions...
I mean you can't really expect us to release for free because the conditions are bad (because it would just be bad for us as well...) hence what is expected is that we find a middle ground or a compromise which would make happy everyone.

and in that case dev fee isn't either a good solution, because miners won't wait for us before dumping on a coin... (and there are a lot more miners than devs)

Not sure what you mean about a dev fee... A % based miner will be constantly mining whatever you have at your proxy setup for X algorithm. 98 shares for the miner, 2 shares for the dev.

Maybe we've always been on a different page when it comes to a miner fee? You have a miner submit 98 shares for whatever pool they're connected to and then two shares to whatever pool you want for the algorithm it's operating on. That would be a 2% fee, relatively speaking.

Or you could do it based on time... 72secs every hour.

Also not entirely certain what you mean by 'bad conditions for developers'. If you say sold your Neoscrypt miner for .1 a pop three months ago things would be quite a bit different or even right now. Kernel developers basically help set the conditions for miners. I can look at SPs miner right now and go 'hey it's not going to ROI, but I have a option of a 5% faster miner in the future for .1'. And of course SP will be improving it so it turns into a better option into the future. So something like x11 will be about 5% faster. Still not profitable, but could be.

Honestly though a % based miner is just the best solution. It rewards developers for making faster kernels constantly and gives miners big and small a chance to compete. You keep updating your miner and the amount of money you make keeps growing too. It's win-win

the problem with the dev fee, is that it collects an altcoin, and technically there are a lot more chance that people dump the coin before a dev has any chance to do it, making it a rather bad deal for the dev.

You can mine to Nicehash or a multipool and you collect BTC. That's why I mentioned it earlier. Technically you can mine to whatever the algo supports. Setting up a proxy (for you) allows you to redirect from a static address as well. You don't need to mine whatever the miner is mining.

There would be two separate stratums. Whatever the miner is mining to and then your proxy. 98 shares to the miners pool and 2 to your proxy. Or you could do it off of time.

Dev fees have been around for quite some time, there are a lot of ways to split it up if you want to. You could make a miner with two or three built in addresses as well.

Like SPs miner would get all the algos except for Neo, Neo goes to your proxy. You guys can really split it up whatever way you want after you get the fee.

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Quote from: fenomenhaa on January 21, 2016, 05:39:15 AM

Hi Folks,

I switced off most of my rigs some time agoand didn't checked. what's going on.My elec. cost is 0.15 cent.Is there anything worth to min?.,any new algo,coins or miners for both amd and nv cards. ? Thanks for help

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Lyra2v2 With my buyable private miner v3 (0.1BTC) does 5MHASH on the EVGA 750ti SC standard clocks. (and it only pulls 41 Watt)

Profit per card(nicehash 0.15BTC/GHASH): $0.315
Power cost: ($0.15*(24*41/1000)) =$0.144

Profit after Power per day($0.15/kwh): $0.171 per 750ti

At $0.33/KWh the powercost is 100% of the Revenue. (no profit)
At $0.15/KWh the powercost is 45% of the Revenue.
At $0.10/KWh the powercost is 30% of the Revenue.
At $0.05/KWh the powercost is 15% of the Revenue.

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Quote from: fenomenhaa on January 21, 2016, 05:39:15 AM

Hi Folks,

I switced off most of my rigs some time agoand didn't checked. what's going on.My elec. cost is 0.15 cent.Is there anything worth to min?.,any new algo,coins or miners for both amd and nv cards. ? Thanks for help

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Due to a higher BTC/USD change, X11 and lyra2ve may be profitable at times.
They say ether is always more profitable but I don't mine it.
I say mine if you use the heat you generate, to save gas/diesel/pellets/whatever.

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Hi Folks,

I switced off most of my rigs some time agoand didn't checked. what's going on.My elec. cost is 0.15 cent.Is there anything worth to min?.,any new algo,coins or miners for both amd and nv cards. ? Thanks for help

)

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Quote from: sp_ on January 21, 2016, 05:28:13 AM

I have sendt version 3 of the sp-mod private to the donators/buyers. A boost in lyra2v2 and quark.

If you want to support this opensource project you should donate 0.1 BTC and recieve my private miner.

soon sp ...

i have other priorities that require thefarm and my attention ...

vps systems - web services - code fixing / update - all cost btc ...

and i have to have all of it by the 3rd feb ...

so ALL of my resources will be focused on that at the moment ... ive only two weeks left to get payment sorted ...

it will be very tight ...

#crysx

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Quote from: myagui on January 21, 2016, 05:20:25 AM

@crysx, it's a PoS/PoW Hybrid, will have long term mining going on.

kool ...

tanx myagui ...

long term PoW is always a good thing Wink

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#crysx

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I have sendt version 3 of the sp-mod private to the donators/buyers. A boost in lyra2v2 and quark.

If you want to support this opensource project you should donate 0.1 BTC and recieve my private miner.

Sp-mod priv 3 on the gtx 970 (compared to release 74 (nicehashminer))

quark: +7.1%
lyra2v2: +4.9%

Sp-mod priv 3 on the gtx 750ti (compared to release 74 (nicehashminer))

lyra2v2: +5.8%
quark: +1.8%

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@crysx, it's a PoS/PoW Hybrid, will have long term mining going on.

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