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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on October 27, 2012, 06:12:58 PM

I think the entire forum should be banned then we can all move to a different forum.

Wouldn’t that just pollute the new place if you let the same misfits go there?

It might help to have a forum with more competent moderators.

Rarity#7 ?

Yup: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-dank-117590

Rarity is the new Atlas! This place is so interesting. Let’s face it without the “Days of Our Lives” drama this would just be a boring assed forum about economics and cryptography where everyone would say things like, “Oh, what a wonderful thing that is you’ve done there professor. Let’s pat each other on the back some more.” The Rarity, Atlas, Matthew N. Wright, Pinkie Pie, Solidcoin, Goat, Smoothie, Dank, bulanula, reeses and even you make this forum something interesting. Without them it would be like this forum here: http://amazingforums.com/forum/IRVIN/forum.html

In the next episode: Will Rarity get banned? Will he reinvent himself and come back? Will Professor Plum find the secret of TBF. Will the Mod hazek go apeshit on them. Learn these answers and more on the next episode of……

Great. Now we have two Atlases. Though, Rarity is a bit better than Atlas because her posts seem at least a bit more on topic. But that's like comparing epsilon with zero; they are both completely useless.

Raoul Duke

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on October 27, 2012, 06:12:58 PM

I think the entire forum should be banned then we can all move to a different forum.

Wouldn’t that just pollute the new place if you let the same misfits go there?

It might help to have a forum with more competent moderators.

Rarity#7 ?

Yup: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-dank-117590

AndrewBUD

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on October 27, 2012, 06:12:58 PM

I think the entire forum should be banned then we can all move to a different forum.

Wouldn’t that just pollute the new place if you let the same misfits go there?

It might help to have a forum with more competent moderators.

Rarity#7 ?

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In cryptography we trust

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on October 27, 2012, 06:12:58 PM

I think the entire forum should be banned then we can all move to a different forum.

Wouldn’t that just pollute the new place if you let the same misfits go there?

It might help to have a forum with more competent moderators.

Who are you?

Bitcoin Oz

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Wat

I think the entire forum should be banned then we can all move to a different forum.

repentance

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Quote from: MiloSmith on October 23, 2012, 03:35:34 PM

So what actually occurred was SA troll dank obviously never intended to fulfill his agreement and even admitted sabotaging it in the scammer thread. Why blame an innocent member like Rarity for getting trolled by SA into making the scammer thread?

If any of these excuses aimed at Rarity were true and just reasons to ban, he would still be here and the real SA troll who mocks our proud scammer tag tradition would be gone.

Are you trying to get the gibbis thread closed?

MiloSmith

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I think it's kind of ironic some of the obvious excuses trotted out to ban Rarity have tripped all over themselves and become nonsense.

For instance, it has been suggested that Rarity should be banned because his request to have the written agreement he made with dank honored was considered a "mockery" and that he should be banned because he is a "Something Awful" troll.

I am an SA member, joined to get to the bottom of this, and the truth is that Dank is the actual SA troll in this situation. He has even admitted it, though there is no such evidence for Rarity aside from speculation.

https://i.imgur.com/fFopJ.jpg

So what actually occurred was SA troll dank obviously never intended to fulfill his agreement and even admitted sabotaging it in the scammer thread. Why blame an innocent member like Rarity for getting trolled by SA into making the scammer thread?

If any of these excuses aimed at Rarity were true and just reasons to ban, he would still be here and the real SA troll who mocks our proud scammer tag tradition would be gone.

augustocroppo

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Quote from: MiloSmith on October 23, 2012, 03:19:33 PM

We get it, let's go back to the real issue here since Dan is no longer with us.

Dancing Dan has raised some serious questions. Instead of answering them, the moderators pointed to a site hidden behind a paywall and banned him for it. I can't think of any better confirmation that he was right about this all along.

Wait... Dancing Dan was banned as well?

GOOD RIDDANCE, Dan!

Cheesy

MiloSmith

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^ Rarity should have been banned for saying death threats should be moderated and for discussing Zhou Tong and Psychology in a thread about Zhou Tong and psychology. And Dancing Dan should be banned for assuming what they already admitted in this thread, that they acted in response to what Rarity said to Theymos.

We get it, let's go back to the real issue here since Dan is no longer with us.

Dancing Dan has raised some serious questions. Instead of answering them, the moderators pointed to a site hidden behind a paywall and banned him for it. I can't think of any better confirmation that he was right about this all along.

augustocroppo

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Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 12:39:29 PM

Of course you disagree, and you should not be criticized for defending yourself or a fellow poster from false accusations as you are doing with Rarity.

False. I only presented evidence to substantiate the moderators decision to ban Rarity.

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 12:39:29 PM

The name Zhou Tong was in the title, you don't get to pretend it was not about him. You are being dishonest and absurd, the discussion assumed his guilt and was examining his psychology. Read the thread.

Irrelevant.

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 12:39:29 PM

The unnecessary posts in question were pointing out the need for moderation of death threats. You can't find any real examples because they don't exist.

The posts are the evidence which you required and now you are ignoring.

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 12:39:29 PM

A request for evidence is not a claim.

False.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/claim?q=claim

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 12, 2012, 05:25:50 PM

We should discuss the chilling effects of long time user Rarity being banned for questioning Theymos in the scam accusations forum. Theymos may feel he is totally innocent in his role as a partner and officer with GLBSE but on a forum which depends on free speech for its value it is quite disturbing that this is the method used when the head administrator is questioned. The conflict of interests between Theymos' role with GLBSE and his role as overseer of the moderators on this forum who are judging scam accusations against his company has come to a point where it cannot be ignored when critics are being silenced. Theymos should step down as administrator on Bitcointalk at least until this matter is resolved. Even if totally innocent, the appearance of impropriety in this case is stark.

You did a claim with no requests for any evidence. Further, when evidence was provided, you ignored.

Dancing Dan

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on October 22, 2012, 11:58:28 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 09:09:29 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 22, 2012, 09:05:56 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 07:06:22 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 22, 2012, 06:58:36 PM

Quote from: Yolocoin on October 22, 2012, 05:43:22 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 05:06:32 PM

If there is a pattern of trolling you should have no problem pointing to examples of clearly trolling behavior. Instead, you have dodged doing so for over a week and have instead pointed to posts hidden behind a paywall on another forum apparently dedicated to trolling this site. Why, exactly, are you a member of such a group?

It sounds more and more that the definition of "trolling" on this forums is simply "stuff Theymos doesn't like"

There is no literal trolling on this forum with exceptions of Rarity or others. These people are obviously looking for just a reaction.

On the other hand, skepticism and disagreement are labeled as trolling here, wrongly so.

Yet another baseless accusation leveled at Rarity. Let me guess, you have posted with the troll planners on this "Something Awful" too?

Rarity was the definition of a reasonable skeptic on these forums. Her skepticism of libertarian arguments and her pro-government and regulation views were labeled as trolling specifically because they were a minority viewpoint strongly argued. Some of those with less faith in their views could not handle the challenge of not not existing in an echo chamber and chose the easy way out of attacking the messenger rather than defending their views.

Okay, Rarity.

Okay, dank.

Goodnight, John Boy.

Seriously, was it a 7 day ban or permanent? I've read this whole thread and didn't see the answer.

Goodnight, Mary Ellen. I would like to know that too. I assumed it was a permaban from the start and have been sticking with that since no moderator has contradicted it.

Phinnaeus Gage

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Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 09:09:29 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 22, 2012, 09:05:56 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 07:06:22 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 22, 2012, 06:58:36 PM

Quote from: Yolocoin on October 22, 2012, 05:43:22 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 05:06:32 PM

If there is a pattern of trolling you should have no problem pointing to examples of clearly trolling behavior. Instead, you have dodged doing so for over a week and have instead pointed to posts hidden behind a paywall on another forum apparently dedicated to trolling this site. Why, exactly, are you a member of such a group?

It sounds more and more that the definition of "trolling" on this forums is simply "stuff Theymos doesn't like"

There is no literal trolling on this forum with exceptions of Rarity or others. These people are obviously looking for just a reaction.

On the other hand, skepticism and disagreement are labeled as trolling here, wrongly so.

Yet another baseless accusation leveled at Rarity. Let me guess, you have posted with the troll planners on this "Something Awful" too?

Rarity was the definition of a reasonable skeptic on these forums. Her skepticism of libertarian arguments and her pro-government and regulation views were labeled as trolling specifically because they were a minority viewpoint strongly argued. Some of those with less faith in their views could not handle the challenge of not not existing in an echo chamber and chose the easy way out of attacking the messenger rather than defending their views.

Okay, Rarity.

Okay, dank.

Goodnight, John Boy.

Seriously, was it a 7 day ban or permanent? I've read this whole thread and didn't see the answer.

I'm going to bed now, but if I don't read an answer in the morning, I'm going to post pics of naked bears.

Nite, all.

~Bruno K~

Dancing Dan

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Quote from: Atlas on October 22, 2012, 09:05:56 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 07:06:22 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 22, 2012, 06:58:36 PM

Quote from: Yolocoin on October 22, 2012, 05:43:22 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 05:06:32 PM

If there is a pattern of trolling you should have no problem pointing to examples of clearly trolling behavior. Instead, you have dodged doing so for over a week and have instead pointed to posts hidden behind a paywall on another forum apparently dedicated to trolling this site. Why, exactly, are you a member of such a group?

It sounds more and more that the definition of "trolling" on this forums is simply "stuff Theymos doesn't like"

There is no literal trolling on this forum with exceptions of Rarity or others. These people are obviously looking for just a reaction.

On the other hand, skepticism and disagreement are labeled as trolling here, wrongly so.

Yet another baseless accusation leveled at Rarity. Let me guess, you have posted with the troll planners on this "Something Awful" too?

Rarity was the definition of a reasonable skeptic on these forums. Her skepticism of libertarian arguments and her pro-government and regulation views were labeled as trolling specifically because they were a minority viewpoint strongly argued. Some of those with less faith in their views could not handle the challenge of not not existing in an echo chamber and chose the easy way out of attacking the messenger rather than defending their views.

Okay, Rarity.

Okay, dank.

Atlas

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Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 07:06:22 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 22, 2012, 06:58:36 PM

Quote from: Yolocoin on October 22, 2012, 05:43:22 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 05:06:32 PM

If there is a pattern of trolling you should have no problem pointing to examples of clearly trolling behavior. Instead, you have dodged doing so for over a week and have instead pointed to posts hidden behind a paywall on another forum apparently dedicated to trolling this site. Why, exactly, are you a member of such a group?

It sounds more and more that the definition of "trolling" on this forums is simply "stuff Theymos doesn't like"

There is no literal trolling on this forum with exceptions of Rarity or others. These people are obviously looking for just a reaction.

On the other hand, skepticism and disagreement are labeled as trolling here, wrongly so.

Yet another baseless accusation leveled at Rarity. Let me guess, you have posted with the troll planners on this "Something Awful" too?

Rarity was the definition of a reasonable skeptic on these forums. Her skepticism of libertarian arguments and her pro-government and regulation views were labeled as trolling specifically because they were a minority viewpoint strongly argued. Some of those with less faith in their views could not handle the challenge of not not existing in an echo chamber and chose the easy way out of attacking the messenger rather than defending their views.

Okay, Rarity.

Dancing Dan

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Quote from: Atlas on October 22, 2012, 06:58:36 PM

Quote from: Yolocoin on October 22, 2012, 05:43:22 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 05:06:32 PM

If there is a pattern of trolling you should have no problem pointing to examples of clearly trolling behavior. Instead, you have dodged doing so for over a week and have instead pointed to posts hidden behind a paywall on another forum apparently dedicated to trolling this site. Why, exactly, are you a member of such a group?

It sounds more and more that the definition of "trolling" on this forums is simply "stuff Theymos doesn't like"

There is no literal trolling on this forum with exceptions of Rarity or others. These people are obviously looking for just a reaction.

On the other hand, skepticism and disagreement are labeled as trolling here, wrongly so.

Yet another baseless accusation leveled at Rarity. Let me guess, you have posted with the troll planners on this "Something Awful" too?

Rarity was the definition of a reasonable skeptic on these forums. Her skepticism of libertarian arguments and her pro-government and regulation views were labeled as trolling specifically because they were a minority viewpoint strongly argued. Some of those with less faith in their views could not handle the challenge of not not existing in an echo chamber and chose the easy way out of attacking the messenger rather than defending their views.

Atlas

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Quote from: Yolocoin on October 22, 2012, 05:43:22 PM

Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 05:06:32 PM

If there is a pattern of trolling you should have no problem pointing to examples of clearly trolling behavior. Instead, you have dodged doing so for over a week and have instead pointed to posts hidden behind a paywall on another forum apparently dedicated to trolling this site. Why, exactly, are you a member of such a group?

It sounds more and more that the definition of "trolling" on this forums is simply "stuff Theymos doesn't like"

There is no literal trolling on this forum with exceptions of Rarity or others. These people are obviously looking for just a reaction.

On the other hand, skepticism and disagreement are labeled as trolling here, wrongly so.

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Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 05:06:32 PM

If there is a pattern of trolling you should have no problem pointing to examples of clearly trolling behavior. Instead, you have dodged doing so for over a week and have instead pointed to posts hidden behind a paywall on another forum apparently dedicated to trolling this site. Why, exactly, are you a member of such a group?

It sounds more and more that the definition of "trolling" on this forums is simply "stuff Theymos doesn't like"

Dancing Dan

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If there is a pattern of trolling you should have no problem pointing to examples of clearly trolling behavior. Instead, you have dodged doing so for over a week and have instead pointed to posts hidden behind a paywall on another forum apparently dedicated to trolling this site. Why, exactly, are you a member of such a group?

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Quote from: Dancing Dan on October 22, 2012, 12:39:29 PM

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Rarity, for trolling. All he's been doing is wasting everyone's time. He never listens to reason, even to the point where most of our regular trolls give up:
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I'm happy with this. Far as we're concerned the matter may rest.
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I'm not going to keep responding to these ridiculous accusations based on rumors and assumptions.

Sounds like you just admitted to them all, just with the caveat that you were going to stop the lies and lies of omissions later if you got a sucker on the hook. Sure you would have. Sure!
He also went on to make a total mockery of the scammer tag system:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-dank-117590

It's to the point that I can only believe that he is doing this on purpose. Theymos, I know that you have a conflict of interest here because Rarity has been debating you regarding GLBSE, so feel free to let him know that I made this request. Also, if someone else could second this, that'd be great.

This is a clear admission Rarity was banned for criticizing Theymos. Rarity made that post in response to Theymos admitting he did not reveal everything in his sale post, and claiming that he would have done so later in the sale. Why the hell should an unbiased observer take Theymos at his word on that? The only evidence of Rarity "not seeing reason" is not believing Theymos? Who wanted GLBSE to remain an illegal market? Who is now doing nothing but sniping from the sidelines while Nefario sends out refunds?

And why is Rarity making a mockery of the scammer tag system by complaining that a written contract on these forums was broken? It seems more a mockery that Dank was allowed to get away with it and continues to solicit donations towards his music as if he were capable of playing any.

And if "mocking the scammer tag system" is worthy of banning, do you intend to ban dank for turning the thread about his deceptive breach of contract into a discussion of how illegal drugs cure cancer which is caused by a weak soul?

Of course not, you are just making a weak excuse for being caught red handed trying to shut down a critic of the administrator.

See:

Quote from: Maged on October 18, 2012, 07:25:10 PM

Again, there was no problem with any single post (except for a few here and there that were dealt with), rather it was the overall picture that resulted in the ban.

Dancing Dan

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I don't think it's a laughing matter that moderators of this forum are members of this "Something Awful" group that are plotting to troll users here from behind their paywall as Raize has described. Rarity does not deserve to be trolled by them or banned for criticizing them.

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