Topic: Censorship on Bitcointalk - page 2. (Read 9294 times)

My point was in regards to the moderators "evidence" against Rarity.  They should not be using secret evidence from their paysite to be moderating this free forum.

It is troubling that so many members of that forum such as Raize, including moderators here, are vocal opponents of Rarity.  I am glad you are starting to see things my way.  Trolls from that place should not be allowed to besmirch the good name of Rarity or act as moderators here.

Umm The "scammer tag" was a mockery the moment that intersango/bitcoinica/zhoutong did not get a scammer tag.  Rarity's thread looked like a legitimate request over an unfulfilled obligation.

As for the "Rarity = goon" conspiracy, from what I read, even the goons don't think Rarity's a goon.

No shit, Sherlock...
If it wasn't for you telling us Raize is a goon we would never suspect...

Wow, that makes a lot more sense now.  The moderators of the forum could obviously see something over there too, which proves they are members as well.  Why are the moderators joining up with this other forum to troll members like Rarity?

You have zero evidence Rarity is a troll, only speculation.  Rarity appears to me to be a fan of Bitcoin and a long time member here who never trolled.   This "Something Awful" site is behind a paywall, the only way you could possibly see what is happening there is if you yourself are a member.

Members of that forum are trolling with Rarity as their target, and you have just revealed yourself to be one of them.

Most of the recent SA goons, probably due to a lack of actual technical skills and intelligence, are spending more effort trolling lately than actually finding and exposing scammers, so they have to focus instead on criticizing theymos. The better SA goons that actually do their own research and discovery have just accepted Bitcoin for what it is and moved on, or like me, are sometimes finding active scammers. The only ones still left focusing on trolling are actively trolling in bands. Make no mistake, the OP is just another goon trying to rile up a posse for a witchunt.

I love SA, been a member there for over a decade, but the Bitcoin thread there is full of a bunch of teenagers or unemployed twenty-somethings with zero economic experience and vendettas against "lolbertarians". They are so full of themselves they think the teenagers and unemployed twenty-somethings on *this* forum (read: Atlas) represent the entirety of Bitcoin when they say things like "It crashed because people ran out of money to support the price, but SomethingAwful got blamed."

In actuality, very few people purchased at $20 or above, but if you were to take a few of these interpretations from Something Awful members, all of us were buying at that point over a year ago. I really wish they'd just tone down the rhetoric, but when they can spend all day posting nonsense and trying to make villains out of forum regulars and think they are making headway, why wouldn't they? Banning Rarity is a "meh". I wouldn't mind seeing a few more banned just to watch them get pissy about it and cry about evil theymos censorship in the SA thread. It's fun to watch their reactions. If they are enjoying reading this forum and loling, we might as well get a kick out of reading theirs!

EDIT: Worth noting, I found out about Bitcoin independent of SA, first in late 2009 and again when it was actually worth something in 2010. I consider myself a "goon" about as much as I consider myself a "BitcoinTalker", but I suppose since I *do* have an account I can pretend to hate Atlas or Dank or whoever it is the SA thread is currently targeting if it helps me fit the present profile . I just can't dedicate tens of posts a day to ridiculing people since I actually have a day job and just post here at night and over lunch.

Of course they do, like with the scammer tag the law has nothing to do with this, it's a matter of honor to maintain a forum with free speech when you claim to be doing so.


Of course you disagree, and you should not be criticized for defending yourself or a fellow poster from false accusations as you are doing with Rarity.  


The name Zhou Tong was in the title, you don't get to pretend it was not about him.  You are being dishonest and absurd, the discussion assumed his guilt and was examining his psychology.  Read the thread.


The unnecessary posts in question were pointing out the need for moderation of death threats.  You can't find any real examples because they don't exist.


A request for evidence is not a claim.


Another false accusation.  Rarity appears to have been talking about regulation of people using Bitcoin and repeatedly pointed out she would not regulate the currency itself in any way.  That all the criticisms of Rarity seem to be based on lies is not making a good case the ban was not crooked.


Let me get this straight, the only evidence you have of this accusation is something I have to pay $10 to see?  And you are calling me retarded for not believing your hidden evidence?  Why do you have no facts you can actually share with us?


This is a clear admission Rarity was banned for criticizing Theymos.  Rarity made that post in response to Theymos admitting he did not reveal everything in his sale post, and claiming that he would have done so later in the sale.  Why the hell should an unbiased observer take Theymos at his word on that?  The only evidence of Rarity "not seeing reason" is not believing Theymos?  Who wanted GLBSE to remain an illegal market?  Who is now doing nothing but sniping from the sidelines while Nefario sends out refunds?

And why is Rarity making a mockery of the scammer tag system by complaining that a written contract on these forums was broken?  It seems more a mockery that Dank was allowed to get away with it and continues to solicit donations towards his music as if he were capable of playing any.

And if "mocking the scammer tag system" is worthy of banning, do you intend to ban dank for turning the thread about his deceptive breach of contract into a discussion of how illegal drugs cure cancer which is caused by a weak soul?

Of course not, you are just making a weak excuse for being caught red handed trying to shut down a critic of the administrator. 


And yet when asked to share any evidence of trolling, all you can do is point to some offsite forum behind a paywall?


Moderators, was it a 7 day ban?  I haven't seen Rarity logged in or posting since.

You sound like you're volunteering.   

It would be way cooler if the forum was decentralized and everyone could be a part of moderating the forum.
Things like reputation systems on all accounts (where other users can leave feedback behind about a user) would improve the forum I find.

I suppose. I never figured a thread would pop up. 

I read it as you giving permission to Theymos to disclose it to Rarity, not to someone else to disclose it to other forum users.

And that is the exact reason why Rarity was banned. That was made clear through an overall view of Rarity's posts, and especially recent ones. Three out of the 10 reported posts against Rarity were moderated. Rarity had also been previously brought up for being banned, as well as warned. Not to mention, Rarity had an orange ignore button (this isn't directly used against people, but it can be used as contributory evidence).

I surprised nobody posted this, given that I explicitly said that people could say that I was the one who requested the ban, but here is the particular request I made:

(it was subsequently seconded)

Normally, if that's all a person did trolling wise, that'd be alright. However, this has been a pattern for Rarity and this forum has really just seen enough. Making that thread that I mentioned really was what broke the camel's back for me. Prior to that, Rarity was only being destructive to meaningful conversation in a few threads, but making that thread broke the containment.

Again, there was no problem with any single post (except for a few here and there that were dealt with), rather it was the overall picture that resulted in the ban.

Let me counter all of your retarded conspiracy theories with a post of mine from the moderator forum way back from July, where I am suggesting the ban of Rarity.

Mods or not, the people posting BS excuses and clear untruths instead of being open or just saying you don't know, are really looking bad here.

This is my last post on the subject, I have no direct interest in this situation and am just posting my opinions as an outside observer. I hope you guys clean this shit up, this board is too important to lose credibility over this.

I don't know Rarity, but reading his recent posts, I have to agree this banning is sketchy. I like this forum and don't want to get banned, but I don't see how it's wrong to discuss whether or not the owners of GLBSE are responsible for what is owed. I am not going to wade into that argument, I didn't lose much from GLBSE, but it seems extremely strange to ban someone who is raising these questions, and then blame it on months old posts in some thread no one cared about at the time. Not to mention... was he banned for suggesting that regulation can be a positive thing? Or for getting off topic in a thread where the OP was discussing philosophy? I didn't know that those were offenses.

If the consensus of the board moderators is that GLBSE owners other than nefario hold no responsibility, and that continuing to discuss this issue is not allowed, why not just say that? They control this board and have the power to decide what is allowed here, we all (almost all) understand and accept that. Banning someone and then being clearly dishonest as to the reason, making a huge reach to claim it was for months old posts, really hurts the credibility and appearance of openness of this board, which sucks because this is the best BTC resource by far. Again this is your board and you can do as you wish, but it makes you look silly to suggest that this user would have been banned for these old "regulation" posts if he had not posted about GLBSE this week. Just man up and say no talking about mods owing money.

Please don't ban me, just giving my 0.02 BTC.

Good riddance. He/she/it was so annoying that I feel like any other member using Frienship is Magic pony avatars should be banned as well.

Moderators do not need to do what is "best for Bitcoin".  This is not an official forum for the promotion of Bitcoin and nor does it pretend to be.  While there may be many discussions here which portray Bitcoin in a bad light, the answer is not to demand that the nature of this forum be changed so that Bitcoin is portrayed in a falsely positive light - it's to create on online presence with a different purpose.

There is no official Bitcoin forum.