Topic: Changed language in history. Bought? Hacked? - page 2. (Read 2124 times)

If we are talking numbers and it is just a conservative guess, how many accounts in the farm do you think are operated by the martyns puppeteer?

I look forward to reading your updated trust list but the problem without having consensus on the issue (in other words by having a case-by-case basis in matters such as these) you will always find those who agree and those who disagree with a particular stance.

Like I said they are free to explain here. What you said is also possible. I admit I have to change neutral a bit and will edit some part but it will stay as a warning to anyone dealing with them until they come and explain this with proofs.



If you think that I took users from Nigerians local board and connected them then you are wrong. I started with simple wallet digging is that's all. I have connected 3 accounts with martyns out of which 2 users haven't posted in Nigerian board ever. So its a humble request to not make such remarks which are not true.

I don't see any concrete evidence of linked accounts here, P2P transactions between multiple accounts are more likely to occur outside of the forum if the accounts in question are from the same region or share the same local board. Nigerians' only way of converting BTC to Naira is through P2P, and it's possible that 2-3 people are using the same Merchants on P2p exchange to deposit their weekly earnings and receive Naira in return; your findings fit perfectly into my explanation; the accounts could be using the same Marchant, but I personally don't see any connection here.

And as for the distribution of merits, whatever anyone does with his or her merits is none of your business as long as he or she is not trading them. Backscratching is permitted here.

This appears to be an attack on a specific region, which is not acceptable.



You're abusing the DT system; tagging a neg does not justify your claims; just because you have one does not mean everyone should.

So, I reread Avirunes' post more carefully, I looked at the profiles of the accounts involved and when I went to look at the recent merit of the first account, in no particular order, I saw this:





So, I've taken an aggressive approach on the subject.

I've updated my trust list, btw.

Thanks to Avirunes for bringing this up. I saw this link too, but Yahoo62278's reaction about a poor guy from a poor country made me give up on further posting.
If we talk about purchased accounts, then yes, the Omgitsmehehe account previously belonged to a guy from England; this is all in history.

Other than that, cheating about the amount of merit omgitsmehehe and blackened515 have is fairly constant. I have long noticed his deceit. Apart from the recent case with Omgitsmehehe, it's exactly the same story with Blackened515.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56473501
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5434813


When I said that martyns would also go and buy two more, I meant these two accounts.
But there is simply no mood to listen to another lie. This person describes himself as a believer. Well, if we can't leave negative tags for lies, then let God judge him.




If we talk about aunts, uncles, and all other relatives, then the time of the last visit to the forum apparently ends with a signal or a whistle.

Was I? Guess that's just the usual me when it comes to this  


I often feel that there are more to the list if a cases like this pops up. I like how Yahoo started the other thread to discuss about this but like many others and I also think it should be case by case basis. But cases like alt ring and the way they are using it needs to be discussed also. Majority of these accounts purposes are to enroll in signature campaign and earn as much as they can. They don't care about rules or anything. So that's why I want to see what's community take on this.

I would request if someone wants to continue discussion about alts discussion then continue in yahoo62278 thread


Don't worry about it. I am very glad when someone acknowledges the work. That's make up for everything.



I don't know how to react to this but I respect everyone's opinions is what I would say. Some take things seriously and some don't but I feel both are right in their own way.

I feel that best in normal cases is to go with neutral and in comment add a link to thread relating to potential risks of dealing with bought accounts and sellers (if there isn't then someone should create- it would be very helpful). But before that these accounts bought should self-admit in Known alts Thread.

I for example also bought this account Avirunes but I have self admitted in alts thread right before I bought it and instead of continuing from my original account I posted with this as I wanted to set an examples for others to follow to self-admit and continue on so that I don't hide anything. I have said it million times that I have nothing to hide and I believe in this community is why I have come this far out but guess not everyone feels like me as they think others will mark them negative right from when they admit. KWH have put a neutral on me and I am sure Timelord2067 also has put one on me but I am fine with that because they are not wrong.

It's a time like this when you really feel that you efforts are in vain no matter how many years you sticked trying to set an example.

Pick your answer about addresses connections:

A. We're family, he's my brother, sister, mother, father, grand father, grand mother etc so we work in this forum to fulfill our needs.

B. So he's my friend and I know him in real life, I invite him in this forum and we had few exchanges because we're live in a same country.

C. We're a using same local exchange, that's why it's belong to a same exchange.


Pick your answer about merit exchanges:

A. We have a discussion in our local board to support each other.

B. He asked me to review his post.

Hey man, I think you are being to aggressive. 

On a more serious note, it was clear from the beginning that as soon as you stretched it, more things would come out, as it has been happening. Let others say what they want. 

Sorry that I am out of merits, otherwise I would have given you a bunch.

I think that if a video of Martyns stabbing someone in an unprovoked attack doesn't come out, neither the neutral-"you are too aggressive" will change their neutral tag, nor the manager will kick him out of the campaign, nor the forum will permaban him, as it happened with Naim027.

I've followed a pattern (Receive Signature earning and move to some exchange or other address) and I have got some more accounts connected here:

martyns uses address: bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l here https://archive.is/GBcQi#selection-2877.19-2877.61

Now this bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l [e33e33f5bf] sends his earnings to 33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS[274f2311ad] , for example: https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/129693a4cfb6743c9a6b24c0ea3b282e702c8eca6b6577ea71dde75dfa60589b and there are more

33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS [274f2311ad] hasn't sent any coins till now and has only received coins till date from multiple wallets which are linked to more accounts which are:

bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8 [ccbaee06ae] is used by blackened515 here


(Archive: https://archive.ph/3TFyf#selection-2269.16-2269.58)


bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4 [14e77b3d9a56b11e] is used by LordHermes here


(Archive: https://archive.ph/uOQ6s#selection-10355.9-10355.51)


bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf [8b44e93a24] is used by omgitsmehehe (low UID Account) here


(Archive: https://archive.ph/MT0KW#selection-5459.20-5459.62)


I've used walletexplorer for this and according to that 33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS [274f2311ad] has 71 transactions- all incoming, out of which 60 transactions have been made by the accounts mentioned above

a) bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8 [ccbaee06ae] - 39 transactions
b) bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4 [14e77b3d9a] - 13 transactions
c) bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l [e33e33f5bf] - 6 transactions
d) bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf [8b44e93a24] - 2 transactions

If you want to verify this then just click on this: 33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS [274f2311ad] and copy the identifier tag against the addresses and use the find function of browser to check this.


That's not all they also send their address in the same way to another address which I think is an address from an exchange . 1BVhf8FgxS5oNDhyCBP97tmv9P8WJYGKBs   [000177bc41]   

a) bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4 [14e77b3d9a] has many transactions which goes back from Feb, 2021 till 23rd April 2023 (still to count no. of transactions)
b) bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8 [ccbaee06ae] has good no. of transactions but not like the one above. Timeline: April, 2021 to December, 2021
c) bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l [e33e33f5bf] has 1 transaction on 23rd April,2023 sending  to 1BVhf... address via TXID https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/e53f5a62d1f9aed85dd234eddcb36623a5107d9bd2d8e4811166b84afa046e68
d) bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf [8b44e93a24] has 6 transactions sending to 1BVhf... address. Timeline: 15th March, 2023 to 23rd April 2023


I've found another user with wallet sending to 1BVhf8FgxS5oNDhyCBP97tmv9P8WJYGKBs   [000177bc41]   address. They've dealt 2 times but what more interesting is that the user has sent/received merits also from this ring of accounts. Also this user has posted in this thread too. Although, I am not much sure about him.

There's a 1xbit participant as well. (not the one already connected, its a different one)



Anyway, I am gonna focus on these 4 accounts - blackened515, martyns, LordHermes, omgitshehe and proceed

[1] I've checked BPIP.org and here are some screenshots sending merits to each other


Merit Overview from BPIP of blackened515




Merit Overview from BPIP of martyns




LordHermes: https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1803138.html (omgitsmehehe, martyns have sent/received merits)


Merit Overview from BPIP of omgitsmehehe





[2] This is interesting and what I have seen from spammers & multi-accounts during 16-17. These users also posts quoting each other just generating posts between themselves in order to meet post quota.


(Archive.is: https://archive.ph/qTv88#selection-4086.6-4189.532)




(Archive.is: https://archive.ph/rzU9h#selection-8563.0-8571.500)


You guys will find more posts like this. I am not sure how campaign managers sees this but that's for definitely not the right way to use the forum. Clearly they are doing anything for the sake of earning money.

Who knows maybe in dire need of money they can use one account to escrow and on other one to start the deal and then scam. That's one account gone and then go to next one.

Some of these accounts have been neutral marked by JollyGood for gap in history and there has been once instance where lovesmyfamilis has poked him too at his attempt to get into campaign by increasing merit count on the application post.


My opinion: I think this is a big alt ring, Martyns is just a piece and there could be lot more. Right now my impression is that he just wants to earn as much as from signature campaigns and therefore he posts every chance he gets. Even if there is none, he creates one. I mean look at the address: https://explorer.btc.com/btc/address/33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS , there is 0.166BTC (approx $4,800) being moved to that wallet. That's not how forum is intended to be used. Is it?

In addition to that, the one I have my suspicion on has been part of the campaign for 100 weeks and believe me its a good paying campaign as I have been part of that earlier. There are some more (including 1xbit one I mentioned above) but its based on just not much strong links I guess but I am still digging on those.

Everyone should be given chance to explain themselves so I asking @blackened515, @LordHermes and @omgitsmehehe to post here to explain the situation here and will see how the community sees this.

No offense here but I'd like to ask a few questions:
Can AI really create enough quality posts for this forum?
Does AI have the capability to understand almost each question asked here?
If yes, can't AI give similar answers to more than one people sending the same query to it but at different times, and can't this create enough mess and a possibility here for such accounts to get banned for plagiarism?

I know that AI is here for our personal as well as professional upgrade, but what is the point of debating here (on this forum) if almost all the posts start to come from AI (not now but in the future maybe)? Can't we start speaking to bots instead of putting arguments against real human thoughts?

I'm not saying that use of AI should be banned/stopped on the forum but there should be limitations, and should not be allowed in campaigns at all because we get paid for our personal opinions. If someone uses AI, then all he will do is make free money using a technology's features.

If you have any proof, such as having run their posts through an AI detector, report it to Royse777 and you may earn martyns weekly pay for it.


But you'd better hurry, because people might beat you to it.


if you mean in the forum, not really. Many people see it wrong and there are campaign managers against it, but there is no official forum position against it, and I think it is tolerated as long as it results in a quality post.

Registered in August in 2017--to me, that's a red flag even if it isn't to anyone else.  There were tons of accounts created in mid- to late-2017 to participate in bounties and/or otherwise spam the forum to earn money, because bitcoin was booming.  That was also around the time when I was tracking a lot of these idiots down and reporting or tagging them.

So yeah, while there may be some questions in people's minds as to whether the account changed hands, I'm not doubting it for a second.  Hell, the language change alone is a dead giveaway.  Props to OP for sniffing this guy out.

Is there an officially agreed upon rule that posting using AI is a capital offense in forums? I don't think I've come across such a rule yet ^{[or have missed it],} but the campaign manager has banned AI from being used by all of its participants, specifically Royse777.

The account has changed hands ^{[possibly bought from someone from Indonesia]} but the new owner claims it was a gift from his brother. I think his reasoning isn't very credible because he's having a hard time proving it.

I can understand if the account shifted his interest so he goes from one interest to another and posts mostly on that section because we are evolving and learning here, but a change in language is hard to defend, you'll always go back to your local root.

I seldom post on my local board but I never think of changing my local board to another, though I can shift from one board from time to time if I happen to migrate from another country with a board here, but you never discard your local board, especially if you have an interaction on that local board, earlier in your post history.

Nothing to check about in that account, it's a bought account, because  you can't tell me that same person can understand two languages,at a time, from the history of the account, you will notice that something is wrong from the method of writing in the account,  the account really changed hands from the beginning, even though you have the knowledge of speaking another language very clear,  their is every tendency that you can go back to your base or your official language were you originated, but this particular account doesn't write on the local board it started life with. So the we don't have to think twice because the account really showed that not the rightful owner is managing the account.

People here are worried about whether the account has really changed hands or not! If yes, then is it bought or hacked?
Well, I'm seeing another story from my point of view here and I really can't explain it why, but I believe that martyns had been involved in using AI to create posts and post them here. I've spotted some broken comments, and some comments have grammatical mistakes too where it seems that he tried to tweak a bit inside the comments he got from AI and then posted them here. I'd only ask to visit his posts history and instead of looking for this Indonesian-Nigerian dilemma, you guys should also look into this and let me know your PoV.

I checked Bitcoingirl.club's comment and she told the truth that he's doing EVERYTHING to earn through signature campaigns, but use of AI to create posts is strictly prohibited here.

His reputation is in tatters now because of the lies but the thing to note before that was he did have opportunities to redeem himself. It seems as though he concocted elaborate stories about how he ended up in control of the martyns accounts and he did it for the sake of attempting to gain sympathy because he wanted to use it for enrolling in signature campaigns and that is the reason why he will not be taken seriously in the forum again.
 
With a few neutral and maybe a negative trust he could have continued to post without concern and over time maybe his tags would have been removed or revised in a beneficial manner to him but as his stories were designed to seek pity rather explain the truth he lost that opportunity too. I originally left a neutral tag but revised it to negative after reading subsequent posts.

Poker Player correctly updated his negative tag to include the ban evasion part, I think I will do that too but right now I will see what else is being posted before I revise it just in case other things also need to be added.

Stranger things have happened  

You are right, it really is as simple as that. If he creates a new account and contributes to the forum and earns merits, he will be joining signature campaigns again but how many accounts does he use in the forum?

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So what is martyns going to say about his alleged connections forum members merintishidup and dreamsnight?

I thought he would say the screenshots were taken from his brother's side for some reason. But, I was surprised when he asked if 1miau understand how Whatsapp works. Or maybe he did not understand the question due to language barriers.

Of course, the account changed hands and he admits it. But, he came up with lies over and over. But, I am curious how the community will take such cases if they tell the truth. I read BitcoinGirl's previous post and I am curious. I don't think I've seen anyone get a chance from the community. At the same time, I did not see anyone create a thread saying they are guilty of something. Maybe because they are afraid of getting a negative tag from the DT network?

He bought the account, got exposed, and got some negative tags. The question in my head is, What if he does not come up with stories and tell the community "Yes, I bought the account". How community would react then? Give him a 2nd chance, or tag him? If the community still tags him, what is the difference between being honest and lying?

He is stupid and clearly he does not know how to deal in this type of situation. It's obvious that the account is changed hand.