Topic: Changed language in history. Bought? Hacked? - page 4. (Read 2201 times)

Your excuse doesn't make sense at all...
I'm not hating you, I'm just giving you the benefit of doubt.
But how should I treat your screenshots considering the fact that you've said you've screenshotted your conversation but you are the one giving him that account (which is wrong way around according to your story). I have WhatsApp as well and you are the one having double checkmarks (sender) and you (sender) are giving him account details + advice how to start shitposting participating in a campaign.
So, in your screenshots, your chats are wrong way around, dude.

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post?

I asked a question,, and he replied do you have any idea how WhatsApp works,,, why you hating me and not seeing all the chats and date,,, please check again and help me.

Do you realize your chats are wrong way around?
In these messages, you are the one giving him that account and he's asking questions about obviously directly joining a campaign, what you recommended him to avoid (waiting at least 50-70 posts, LOL)
Not suspicious at all, dude. 

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post? 

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.





I don't know who the blackvirus account belongs to,, it a Nigerian guy I met on telegram that has been helping apply for campaign when i was new here and help me convert my earnings to Naira





 I share my password to him, to help me apply for signature campaigns,,I have no ideal to do it then,,,,, last year July 2022


He helped me,,apply for Betfury with my BTC address and I ask him to help me with Bsc address since I don't know what that is before




This is my first Betfury earnings he help me convert token,,from his BSc to naira I have no access to that wallet,, I only ask him to help me.



He shown me Nigeria board too last year to post,, please I'm not Blackvirus,,,our writting is different please help me,, I'm surviving on this earnings help me,,,Im not scamming,,just to work and help in my little way,,,

I'm a graduate struggling, no job,,, help me please I'm not doing fraud,,, not scam,, just earning some money for living till I get a job, help me.

Try to give a guy the benefit of doubt and more and more just keeps popping up. My feelings on the matter of account sales still stand though, neutral unless a reputable account is the route I would take. This particular case just gets worse every minute unfortunately.

Come on, please don't give him pre-fabricated stupid excuses. 
I really want to read one more unique shitposter apologist story and you are endangering that from coming true. 

So, plz, Sir! Give this shitposter a fair chance. 

---

Yes, let's wait for his reply.
I'm very eager to hear it. 

Excellent post. I think he still will post here in the hope of trying to have both the neutral and negative tags removed but to be clear here, I did not know he was a double ban evader. Ah well, let us wait to read what martyns has to say about it in response.

IMO the feedback left on the profile is justified, and I do hope the ban evasion rule catches up with him when the mods properly link up the accounts

Worse still, he is just making up stories and telling lies, which definitely is behavior that can not be trusted. The account could have even been hacked/stolen for all we know. So why can't such an account have a warning showing that It changed hands?

Let me clarify the matter here, as it appears that some members are a bit confused.

His previous account, BlackViruse was banned for evading the ban (alt of Blackpussy), and he has openly admitted to engaging in this deceptive behavior since 2015:

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/55567712

And it's abundantly clear that this is not an innocent mistake made by a novice or a one-time occurrence: Newbie But Not Beginner.

While I initially gave a neutral trust to wait for his explanation, I see no issue with others giving negative. Anyone who is ready to fabricate stories about deceased family members cannot be considered trustworthy.

Oh, and just for your information, his so-called "brother," the original owner of the account, is apparently alive and thriving, as per his Facebook profile. It's a miracle, right?

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/24713930

The martyns account has received several tags (both neutral and negative). The problem for him is he dug a deeper hole for himself by posting here trying to justify his account ownership.

Now let us see if he returns here to reply directly to your questions. I do think he will because he would like to try to have the negative and neutral trust removed but we will see.

Sorry but I don't believe at all in this made up story of late brother who lived in Indonesia but never once wrote in Nigerian language in forum before he allegedly gave you ownership of this account.
Indonesia and Nigeria have nothing in common, and I never before heard of guy from Nigeria living in Indonesia  

You never before heard that if you admit something it could be forgiven, but not if you continue making up stories like this.

I could consider removing my feedback if you finally admit truth and show proof who sold you this account, or show us photos of your Nigerian brother living in Indonesia, I would love to see either one.

Dude, it's not going to happen because his alleged ''brother'' is dead aka ''late'' according to him.

Because he is making up stupid stories.
If he admits the truth I am think most people would remove negative feedbacks, but I don't see anything wrong with neutral feedback in this case.

I'm not defending the martyns in this case. I have said that the account very likely has changed hands based on the evidence and also martyns admitted it through his defense post, but who would believe it after someone found out some alt of him. The case is further complicated because one of the alt martyns has been banned, so it is very likely that martin will also be banned.

If by now the martyns case had been escalated as a ban evasion case, then I knew it had broken the rules instead of simply changing hands.

I really have no idea why some members are jumping and leaving neutral / Negative feedback. Has the account accused for scamming or scammed anyone yet? No.
Okay account is changed hand [looks obvious] but is he using the reputation earned by the hands that were controlling the account before him? I don't see any from the feedback page until the recent ones. So what is the warrant? The account seems to me purely interested in signature campaign, which is not a sin.

Don't we have accounts around here who are changed hand? Not even few weeks ago some of us were in a discussion and one of the account was changed hand but all of us gave him a pass because we do not think the account will do any harm for the community then why it's different for this account?

Can we stop the account hunting things and putting the account owners in pressure with the excuse that they will scam? What are we gaining from it?

Stop your Bullshit. Now I see you left a negative which means you started this tagging things on the account which eventually started to influence others to change their mind too. If lovesmayfamilis started with a neutral tag with the topic when he started, then I will start thinking differently about him/her too but I doubt he/she started it.

Uhh, wow, what a roller coaster of reading. First thing first, to be clear about why I'm here on this thread, I am not interested to rush in and giving you a negative tag, I'm more compelled to get the bottom of this situation. If you care to indulge me on several questions that crossed my mind. Might sounds stupid and irrelevant, but if you could satisfy my curiosity:

1. What did your brother and your family do in Indonesia? I understand you said he was studying in Indonesia, is he still studying? Currently working? Which part of Indonesia is this, exactly?
2. I also noticed that you said you just graduated and jobless... that put you like... early twenties? How about your brother? How old is he?
3. Now this is quite serious. The bolded part of your post I quoted, if you don't have other account, can you explain how you shared the same address as BlackViruse as unearthed by decodx here?

You should know that DT doesn't like account ownership changes.
And then, your story is completely unproven and we need to trust your word (which is a very weak reason to remove tags from your account).
You should just have started a new account as everyone else did here.

---

While I'm really trying to give you the benefit of doubt, your story is very unlikely and there are so many coincidences:

Your brother stayed in Indonesia with his family but you are in Nigeria and are well aware of Nigerian politics and culture?  
And he is gifting you that account?
Cool story, bro.

Are you born in Indonesia or Nigeria?
Is your brother born in Indonesia or Nigeria?
And the other account (BlackViruse) tied to your account?
Soo many questions...

---

I understand your situation and your explanation is not impossible.
I’ve currently issued a neutral trust on your account but what I don’t like at all are lies.
I'm interested to give you the benefit of doubt if you can prove one of these 2 points:

- Sign a message from before your posting gap. You can ask your brother (legitimate owner of these addresses) to do so because you need it for your Bitcointalk account.
OR
- Tell your brother to come on the forum and write an explanatory post in our indonesian local board. Indonesian members of Bitcointalk will review that post if it's really from an indonesian person and asking him questions to make sure you are not just using Google translate.

If you can prove that your story is true by proving one of these 2 points, I won’t change my current neutral trust to negative.
You would just have a neutral trust from me stating your account ownership change.
Of course, I can't speak for DT as DT is a decentralized network.

But I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here.
Now, it's your turn to convince me that your story is true.

please,I do not own or possess any other account,apart from this Martyns account given to me by my brother,I didn't even have Idea about the fact that account can be bought,I just heard it in the process of this issues coming up against me. As for the time I started using this account,I haven't done anything that warrant a tag on my account,I have always been contributing reasonably in the little way I can.
It will be sad that after all my efforts in bitcointalk, no bad name,no scam accusations,or any other irregularities,my account will be rendered useless.We barely survive in this part of the world,because things are really tough and hard,and when I was managing life through a full member rank,accusations comes up against me,it really hurts.
I believe there are still good and considerate people here,who still understand that some persons are really struggling out there to survive.Nothing has happened during my time of usage of this account,I haven't tarnished anybody's reputation,I have been good with my posts here.Please,I need a reversal of the tags,because life will become more tougher if my account is rendered useless.This forum has been my family ever since this account was gifted to me.I beg for reversal of tags please. Thank you.

Right, Again I also mentioned that there is a chance is not true. What he has said is not impossible to happen (that is also important when someone lies, they need to come up with something not impossible so they could have a chance to successfully deceive others).

Besides of his story on how he allegly got control over that account, the fact he could be also the same person behind a banned account which could have had promoted 1xbit (in my opinion) may be the final nail on the coffin for his reputation.
Since some of the red tags still mention those details, I assume he has not disproved those links yet.

In the end, if more negative evidence comes to light, I may exclude him from my network, not sure if neutral-tag him, since I am not part of DT, so my feedback has no meaningful importance  

This really is a sad situation to be in both for yourself (if your second story is true) and for those that have tagged your account (if they believe your second story).

First of all, from experience I can say that just because you say something it does not mean it has to be true especially after you have already stated an high implausible story about how the account came in to your possession and under your control.

As for those that left tags on your account (neutral or negative), by citing a new story of your financial woes you have simply added more stress to them as they ponder whether the tags should be revised or removed.

All this issue happened because you came in to control of an account either by stealing it from the original creator or by buying it. Whether your story about you being a graduate who is struggling to survive is true or not, the truth is you could have just created an account (alongside this martyns one that you ended up controlling) and built it up rank by rank too. Maybe you already have several accounts that are participating in various campaigns.

As you have been dishonest from the beginning about how you came in to controlling this martyns account it seems difficult to believe anything you will say subsequently.

Totally entitled to your opinion. You made my point though, the guy is from a poor country and is just making money via sig campaigns. With him not able to make DT via ~from multiple people, he wouldn't be harming anyone. You guys are free to do what you want, I have no ties with the user. I just wouldn't tag him.

Far as me adding him to a campaign with neg trust, I have added users with neg trust before but I would have to review the post history before considering it as well as why the neg trust was given and if the company is ok with it. In his case the reason for the trust would not hinder me from adding him as long as the company was ok with it.

Sure, a sibling that only speaks Indonesian gifting an account to someone who speaks Naira.

We'd better add magic elves and aliens to the story to make it more believable.

I've been on forums for a long time and this kind of unbelievable stories only come to the forefront when someone is caught red-handed. You won't see the opposite, that is, you won't see someone enter the top ten of earned merit for the first time and thank his Indonesian brother for gifted the account for him who is in Nigeria.


I completely disagree with what is in bold. A crime should be judged independently of who commits it. And I don't know what sold account not tagged you are talking about. I have seen many red tagged for being bought or trying to sell them.

That said, I partly share the sentiment you and Hispo have, because this guy is not someone who has swindled half the forum out of tens of thousands of dollars, he is someone who lives in a poor country and is trying to make a living. But there are many people on the forum in poor countries and they don't take the illegitimate fast track.

But at the end of the day, as I said before, maybe he's lucky and his manager keeps him in the campaign. Surely you would accept him in your campaigns if you were managing one, yahoo62278. Maybe other managers as well. Red tags make it more difficult, but not impossible to join campaigns.