Topic: Changed language in history. Bought? Hacked? - page 5. (Read 2201 times)

I also feel that this is a sad situation. The guy is a nobody on the forum. Keeps his/her head down and makes a few dollars via sig campaigns. Doesn't seem to be worried about the trust system or any of the drama surrounding it.

Did he buy the account? No clue. Will he admit it if he did? Probably not. Did all of this happen recently? Nope. Is the account on DT? Nope. Does the account have any reputation at all? Nope. Who is he harming? Not 1 single person.

Bottom line, he is dishonest by not making the account for himself. I agree 100% but I also think this is no different than people who sold accounts in the past and have not been tagged. This is something that happened awhile back and probably just needs a neutral tag IMO and for everyone to ~ the account so they can never make DT. Account buying and selling is not illegal, just frowned upon. My personal opinion is red tags should only be given when reputable accounts are found to have changed hands.

There's some who will agree and some who will disagree, but i'm curious why this was even brought up? I agree with the OP that they are likely correct, but why were they even searching?

I sent him a pm and got a response. People may not respond to their accusers out of fear. Like I said, you could be right about all this but for what reason? There are probably thousands of accounts on this forum that have changed owners. Concentrate on reputable accounts IMO.

Mh. I don't know about you guys, but this is kind of a sad situation, because it is true that he could be lying and this is indeed a case of a purchased account. On the other hand, I can easily see a sibling gifting an account to someone within the family, specially if that person needs a lil source of income.

Unfortunately for you, Martyns. Even if your story is true many people around here believe that accounts being gifted is a bad thing because there can be an abuse of the previous onwer's reputation, to do many bad things. There are others who do not mind much. I personally, cannot argue about it. Because in the same family there can be a sibling who is honest, cares about reputation while the others do not mind burning an internet account they did not leveled up, so they can make a bit of money in an illegitimate way. Not your case, but it can happen.

Perhaps, this would have been a different situation if your brother opened a reputation thread asking for people's opinion and letting them now about his consideration on gifting the account (together with a signed message).

Anyways, Take care.

Yesterday, I wanted to answer but got distracted.
Yes, you are right that there are a bunch of bought and hacked accounts on the forum, but the owners at least make some movements so as not to draw attention to themselves.
Martyns' mistake is that he didn't delete posts written in Indonesian.
I will give an example of another, most likely purchased, account.
The same picture. Change of language, pause in posting
The account began with the local Chinese section and continued in Indonesian.
But the fact that everything is in the archives, in my opinion, is no longer worth discussing.



https://ninjastic.space/search?author=reagansimms&board=119
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=reagansimms&board=118

Nothing. Or well, don't insist on defending what we are not going to believe.

The only thing is that maybe you are lucky and your campaign manager let you be in the campaign because the system is so decentralized that sometimes managers admit participants who have red tags because they don't see the tags sufficiently justified. As two of the three of us who have tagged you are not liked by your manager (he thinks we keep chasing him with alts and such), maybe he will let you stay in the campaign.

What do you guys want me to do now? I'm a graduate struggling here to survive,there is no job here in my country,and was using this account to sought out little problems for myself.Its my elder brother who lived at Indonesia who that gift me this account.I have not scammed,spammed or do any illegal activity in this forum ever since I started making posts here.I didn't buy or hack this account.This is the only source of my little income,I will appreciate it if my reputation is redeemed please.

It will be interesting to see how many people end up posting in this thread to support you citing they believe your story. As lovesmayfamilis stated, it does look as like you are digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Interesting 

Fine. It looks like you're digging a deeper hole for yourself. Why did you decide that you could give accounts on the forum? Why didn't you open your personal account?
And yes, another little thing: what do you think about the issue of the previously blocked BlackViruse account, which submitted a Bitcoin wallet number before you?
What country was this brother from?

If serious. Look in your local section; how many of your brothers honestly raise their accounts and diligently follow the rules of the forum? Why did you decide to be smarter than everyone else by inventing a story about a gift that no one here would accept as true? Do you really respect those around you?

It's funny, but what Google translator gave me speaks of your brother, the seller, the donor.


translation

My account isn't a hacked one or a bought account,this account is a gift from my late brother  on my birthday,he schooled and lived at Indonesia with his family and remember to give me this account after he stopped usage of it for a long while,I live and stay in Nigeria,while my brother stayed at Indonesia with his family.My account is not hacked or bought,,please redeem my reputation,it's hurting me. Please,,I didn't buy or hack this account please
And speaking Indonesia,it's my elder brother who travelled to Indonesia for school that lived his life and schooled there so he knews how to speak and interact well in Indonesia,He changed everything about the account when he stopped usage of the account for a long while,and decided to gift it to me. I have contributed positively to this forum and haven't violated any rule in this forum,I know you guys are doing a good job tracing accounts that are bought or hacked,but my account is not one of them,it's a gift from my brother,please.

Well, there has been more than enough presented here to warrant negative trust therefore I have updated my trust from neutral to negative. Maybe decodx and 1miau will change their neutral feedback when they see the updated posts.

I sent him two!! The PM never got a response, despite two posts made by Martyns after sending the PM.
It can be seen that he hides his head in the sand. I don't agree that he doesn't have to prove anything, as it doesn't seem normal to change languages; the two languages are completely different. On the face of the change of ownership.
Moreover, the address found by decodx first appeared on the forum with a Blacviruse account. Does this tell you something?
Blacviruse account is currently banned, which is another red flag against Martyns for violating the lockdown rules.
Who do you think should worry about proving their innocence?

This does look to me written by someone who was born in Nigeria. Even if you are born in Indonesia and go to live in Nigeria, you will not write like that.


As an aside, he is supposed to be an Indonesian immigrant in Nigeria and care about Nigerian politics so much to the point of talking about how it affects "us" with the rest of the local board? He has integrated into society in record time.


Yes.

I edit because I think this will leave no room for doubt:


The title of the thread is : African Proverbs in Pidgin.

Red tagged by me.

Don't know how will he explain the situation but I assume that he was living in Indonesia, migrated to Nigeria, stayed away from the forum for 4 years to learn the Nigerian language, and then start posting again  

Or another thing can be he decided to learn the Nigerian language and he took a degree in Nigerian language for 4 years and now when he is the master of that language, he started posting again  

Well, no matter what excuses he comes up with, they will still be excuses as the reality is that the account changed hands. That's it.  

After looking into this further, it appears the user will probably not reply here, because they know they've been busted.... 

I would just tag him as a bought account if he does not come here to answer myself, I'm sure someone left something on this account by now anyways..

I think I read about alleged cases where deals were being done to buy/sell accounts on the basis that passwords and email addresses were not altered and also that previous owners would either include wallets with previous history or themselves sign messages to prove ownership.

In the cases where accounts changed hands but the buyer refused to pay after getting the password, well they would have to have access to the wallet too because the seller would never sign a proof of ownership if he never received funds after surrendering the account.

I can't wait to see his explanation about this, but there is high chance that account changed hands.
There is always a chance for someone to speak multiple languages, but almost zero percent of someone from Indonesia learning Nigerian language.
I see martyns is a member of Yo!Mix campaign, and managers should keep an eye on things like this.

Yes, doing so would just make the trouble bigger for him.
We can argue about signing an old address, which might not work in certain cases (I'm not going into detail here to avoid giving him an excuse  ) and signing an address can also be technically challenging for him but after making 400 post in indonesian laguage, it should be quite easy for him to make only 1 indonesian post again to debunk our research. 

If he refuses to leave a reply here, he wouldn't do himself a favor to get rid of the accusation, which doesn't seem to be in his favor at all, reviewing the evidence presented here.

If martyns is not a hacked or sold account, debunking our research here will be an extremely easy job for martyns.

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to. OP might be able to facilitate account prove ownership via PM or somethings, so martyns just needs to work that out for this problem to be resolved. I'm not going to force him to post something in Indonesian right now, but might expect him to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message. That's enough for me.

I've now also issued a neutral trust and will wait for martyns to address all evidence presented by lovesmyfamilies.
In my opinion, signing one of the addresses presented above by _BlackStar or making a post in Bitcointalk's indonesian local board, where native speakers will need to confirm if his text is native indonesian and not just Google translate, should be easy for martyns to prove that his account is not hacked or sold.

If he can't prove any of these easy solutions, it can be assumed that it's a sold or hacked account.

One thing that is most likely to happen in the case of the martyns account is the account has change hands as evidenced by the language switch from Indonesian to Nigerian. But I think he still has chance to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message, so I'll probably wait for him too to comment or something.

The following are two wallets that are expected to be valid before the account is suspected of changing hands.

I cannot recall where and how long ago I read posts from that account but it raised suspicions. I hope he does reply specifically to address the concerns because there is something not right about that account and the fairly obvious outcomes is the original creator of that account is no longer operating it.

I have left a neutral tag for now and will remove it or turn it red depending on what he posts to address the concerns. Thank you lovesmayfamilis for continuously being active and to keep an eye on what is going on in the forum.