Topic: Changed language in history. Bought? Hacked? - page 3. (Read 2220 times)

Dear mikeywith,

while 1miau really appreciates your high quality posts on Bitcointalk, it needs to defend itself here against untrue, unproven and outrageous speculations against itself.


Because (luckily), such a speculation against 1miau is wrong in 2 different ways:

We are currently in digital space here. Digital space is much different from anything else, before digital space was created.
Digital space has very distinctive characteristics, quite different from physical space, where cities, nature etc. do exist.  
And we can't commit serial killings here, maybe just murdering by words.
So, such a speculative suggestion can't be true.
Bitcointalk is a digital space.
1miau can only exist here, on the internet. It's just an imaginary, digital entity.
If digital space ceases to exist, so do we, dear mikeywith (and Bitcoin as well). It's really sad to think about it but we can't change it, dear mikeywith.  

I'll quote Lauda, in addition:


This fate will also happen to 1meow one day.  
But this day is still far away, hopefully.  

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Second, such an assumption is an unproven and completely fabricated claim, based purely on speculation.
1miau doesn't engage in serial killings.  
Such a claim is an outrageous defamation against 1miau and damages 1miau's great reputation here on Bitcointalk.  

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Engaging in account sales, where a ranked acccount is losing "its digital identity" (selling), is creating a situation, where all achievements are (or should be) meaningless.
It's not just against our digital ethics, it's also about fairness.  
Therefore, the account is losing all credibility, all achievements, as a new account should have been created.
In addition, it's causing spam and enables account sellers / scamming by account sellers.
Even if his story is true, DT needs to decide if that's still acceptable.

I have tried to give martyns a chance to tell his story but even then, his outright lies are obvious.
He should just create a new account, write good posts and earn his Merit as everyone else does.

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Exactly that and the screenshots from his Binance WhatsApp guy are also wrong way round.
So, both guys (his brother and his random Binance WhatsApp guy) just made screenshots from their conversation with martyns, sent it to him and martyns posted that as a proof here on Bitcointalk.
How likely is that? Not likely at all...
As you've said, martyns messed up and screenshottet his fabricated conversation from the wrong side.  

Sorry but you are digging your hole deeper with each new post...
Cringe story, new screenshot confusion, speaking English with late bro because wazzzup banned Naira, and more begging that is not allowed in forum.
Sir martyns If you had money to purchase this account you should be more careful and try to improve your post quality, that is very low quality.
I can't read and understand many of your posts and that goes way back looking at your post history.

What do you expect? How many accounts you can name were given a chance when they admitted their mistakes. This forum does not work that way. There are some exceptional cases but from my observation I have seen many users admitted their mistakes but they never got a pass. Others were learning from it. So when someone get caught in something that is not standard practice on the forum they take their chance. It's a bad thing but if they can handle it well then all good. However, who would you blame for it? The victim or the ones who made a job to push others having fun asking stupid questions so that they can keep the tag they left. Sometimes I find it interesting that a group of users do all these all the time to keep their road clean so that no new competition come in their way and they can keep earning from the signature campaigns or build their accounts to benefit only for them.

The forum as a whole benefits when there are brotherhood and forgiveness for each others. It attracts others to join you and make you bigger. Only a few of us who know the environment well, it's a good place but ask someone who is not familiar with the community. For them it's a place which is not good for spending time as there are people who always try to devalue others and they insults other all the time. For accounts like you and me who have already established name, things are easy but ask a newbie or a lower rank member, for them it's a measurable place. They always take the insults, bad behaviors as like they have no value in the community. A group of people are making the place insecure for expanding the place.

It is aggressive. I don't think we need a vote here.

Three people left tag so far. Nothing new to say about JollyGood. You, perhaps a new invention is trying to make it a good place [questionable though] in your own way but it's not good how you are spreading things wrong way for several others. Not sure about lovesmayfamilis but you and JollyGood are aggressive for any case that pops up. I hope it does not feel you good to scratch others. There are few others from my look but let's not bring them since they are not involved in the case or did not leave a tag yet.

I imagine a place without some of you and in that case the forum as a whole would do better job. We could have more people joining in the forum and making the community even bigger. I am sorry if that hits you and hurts but it's the truth.

Not necessarily analyzing whatsapp chat, it doesn't need a rocket science either to understand that the screenshot is a bit odd if you got a chance to see them yourself. Simplified, the screenshot of those chat are a little bit strange and didn't quite matched the current narrative. The one giving the account, as well as the chat with blackviruse, is on the right hand side of the screen, indicating that the screenshot was taken from his brother's --and blackviruse's-- phone instead of his own.

Though it is probable that he asked his brother to send the screenshot --which a bit strange because he can do it himself-- or consulted to his brother about the current issue and the brother propose to post evidences in form of screenshot which the brother send it from his side [people here might stone me alive because I gave him idea by posting this], it doesn't explain the part from blackviruse. I can't imagine I would ask a stranger to send me a screenshot of our conversation when I can do it myself.

Well, obviously it doesn't seem aggressive to me or three other people who have left red tags.

Royse777 has been online and martyns has continued posting so I think he has explicitly or implicitly understood that he can continue in the campaign. The ban evasion issue usually takes a little more time but maybe he will get away too.

If so, I congratulate martyns, but without more data my red tag stands. I just modified it to include the ban evasion, and it wasn't because I wanted it to appear at the top, there is no other option when you modify a tag.

Just as others have said the way your WhatsApp messages appeared made it look like you were the one that gifted the person at the other end of the conversation, and besides the chat image you provided tells us nothing because in less than 20 minutes a chat like you provided can be created.

Here is what I mean:


As you can see I can a even it's very easy to form chat, if you want I can also create the other chats you provided above. I am also change the date and time if you want me to...


I'd say he only just made up those story to make it more convincing, I'm sure if this thread continue and more evidence are being added he'll definitely let the cat out of the bag.

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App used to create the chat above : WhatsMock (on playstore)

Isn't it interesting that two brothers in personal communication via WhatsApp do not speak in their natural (Naija) language, but in English?


The biggest martyns mistake is this invented story about the brother and giving away the account, now it is much harder to defend the suspicion that it is an alt from a banned account. Certainly, the red tag is too aggressive at the moment unless the original owner appears with the claim that the account was hacked/stolen.

Nothing wrong with the neutral [not something looks good too when there are such context there] but a red seems very aggressive. And the way bunches of people chasing the account it seems they are trying everything to justify the red because it's already left there and it has to be there.

Everything can't be written better than this. Well said.

To answer the question, he hasn't looking from the feedback history which was empty before this topic created. So it does not warrant any red feedback. Will he scam in the future? That will be a stupid question to ask. All I see is the account is doing everything to earn from signature campaign.

Not my intention to derail the thread whatsoever, but it would be quite ironic if ultimately the legacy of our friend Naim027 was making people around here more unforgiving when comes to cases similar to his in the slightest way.

So you guys are analyzing Whatsapp chats now?
Do not mind me, just curious what you are up to and I cannot load pictures on this phone rn.

What do you guys want me to do now? I'm a graduate struggling here to survive,there is no job here in my country,and was using this account to sought out little problems for myself.Its my elder brother who lived at Indonesia who that gift me this account.I have not scammed,spammed or do any illegal activity in this forum ever since I started making posts here.I didn't buy or hack this account.This is the only source of my little income,I will appreciate it if my reputation is redeemed please.
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In my opinion, everything is very clearly written here. Except for the tales about the brother from Indonesia (or is it still true?).


Oh, it must be something out of fiction.
Perhaps we will wait for a curious and interesting story from him.


Regardless of whether what martyns said is true and this account has not been bought/hacked, in any case, the community will not approve of the transfer of he's account. Even if his brother creates a separate topic with consideration of the transfer of the account (I doubt that this will happen and martyns will not be able to confirm his words in any way).


Probably, this will be the last thing martyns needs to learn on the forum.

There is nothing more to add here.

Sorry, but those screenshots you provided show that YOU gave access information to someone, not the other way around. (Assuming that the chats are legit and not fabricated). You probably mixed up your WhatsApp accounts and took a screenshot from the wrong one.


Your story doesn't add up. Even if we were to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your story about the gift account from your brother is true, there's no way you're telling the truth about this part. The chat screenshots clearly show that you claim to have had a conversation about this on July 17th and supposedly shared your btc address and login details with someone you met on Telegram. But that's a load of rubbish because you had already applied to multiple signature campaigns using that exact same btc address several days before! It's obvious that you're lying through your teeth!

Proof of your application to the StarBets.io campaign from July 12: https://ninjastic.space/post/60556700
Proof of your application to the Shaker.finance campaign from July 15: https://ninjastic.space/post/60570965


Seriously? More lies? Your feeble attempts to manipulate the truth are utterly transparent, and your credibility is non-existent. Stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes with your blatant falsehoods. After reading everything in this thread, I have absolutely no sympathy for you. If you had been honest from the start, you might have received a few neutral trust ratings on your account to indicate the change in account ownership. However, your dishonesty has exposed your true character. Even if we ignore your repeated attempts at ban evasion, playing the pity card has only resulted in earning you negative trust.

Err, I thought your family stays in Indonesia with your brother?


Ahh... You're meaning to say he's living in Indonesia with his own family, as in his wife and children, while you stay in Nigeria with the big family of both of your parents and other siblings? It will be nice and might helps clear out several issues if you can answer me these previous questions, though:


Number 3 is arguably answered --though I have a question about that too, but it has to wait-- so you can leave that out.

Base on what i can deduce here, it's either the account got sold to another user who happened to be from another country and soeak a different language entirely or the user is an unspecific person trying to proof smartness by intruding into other locale languages in other for him not to be traced to a particular one, well i believe he's upto something for doing that, making a comment on other local is not the crime but rather showing a dubious display of smartness of appearing anywhere, the google could easily help translate every discussion you needed into the locale language as desired and all we know is that English is a general and acceptable common language everyone can speak, learn or claim.

It seems to get worse for martyns as he tried very hard to save the account from receiving negative tags.

It is simply another example of hypocrisy and there are many cases, as you and others must have noticed. The one on your profile is clearly revenge based and as it is retaliatory it should not even be there.

He received a lot of sympathy at the beginning but in the end when the lies and alt-accounts were exposed, members should have learned from supporting such cases. I know each issue should be taken on case-by-case basis but there has to be a degree of flexibility.

In some ways it is good martyns is defending himself but lie after lie is not exactly a good defence to put forward. I cannot work out why he/she/they simply cannot register new accounts and build up rank in order to join signature campaigns rather than go down the "it was given to me" or "I am poor" route.

There is a possibility moderators could take action but you have done the right thing by reporting him. Now it is up to them.

There is no excuse for any member to not build up their own account even if they are farming them for multiple bounty and campaign participation. Why the need to buy?

He will try his best to keep posting a new story (even more extravagant than the previous one) while he tries to put forward a sympathetic case asking for the tags to be revised or removed.

It seems with the previous banned accounts linked to him, he could even more accounts under his controlled. The problem is that he has lied repetitively and now there is no way to trust him regardless of what he will say.

Look, stop crying and pushing for pity.
If you say it's "just a full member account," why don't you start developing it yourself?
Maybe I should make a list of people from your country who made a "legend" account with their own hands? Maybe take a look at these guys? The one who every day tries to write everything himself and not invent stories, carefully correcting his lies, first about his brother living in Indonesia, but after a minute making him dead (see his editorial in the archives). Go read everyone who lives in your country and does not whine about how hard it is for him but sits and writes in his self-created account. How are you better than them?

In addition, you bought an account, which means you are not completely poor if you allow yourself to bypass the rules of the forum.
Learn to lose with dignity.

For all those who feel sorry for this "cunning" guy: Can the forum do charity and give out high ranks to such crybabies who, being young, do not want to do anything themselves?   And maybe even pay them extra? Yes, there are many bought and stolen accounts here, but many were bought a long time ago. The same story is fresh; in 2021, the forum condemned such transformations of changing hands. And I always assumed that if you bought someone else's account, maybe you should check everything that the previous owner did in the past. No one would have noticed anything if he had not started writing in his local section

I see every human as people who have a kind heart,and as people who if they see a brother dieing of hunger,they won't hesitate to offer help.I also know there are rules governing this community,which if one violates it,the person will be penalized,i also accept that there might be some breaches in the past when this account was under the custody of my brother which you did not dig out when it was with him,why now that I'm now handling the account,why do you want to end a poor life.i thought with the little effort have made in trying to show that ever since this account got to my hands,I have never scammed,spammed or plagiarise.Why dont you pity me and help me.Its just a full member rank.I know you can't let a poor begger beg you food without offering help.There some are parts of the world where hunger and starvation dominates,I have been using this full member rank to help myself and my family who suffered to train me in school,and now I should go back and tell them I have lost my source of income as a result of the past record my brother had while he was still active in this forum,it's really heartbreaking.Up till now,I haven't known much things about the forum,and I can't carry out a criminal act when I know this forum is the only reason I am leaving without being depressed of the fact that I finished school,and haven't gotten a job yet.And I promise that in as much as this account is still with me,I won't do anything that goes against the rule of this loving community.Please check my posts ever since I started handling this account,you will see that I hardly make posts that will pose a threat on my existence here,I'm always conscious of the fact that I'm fed by this community,and I won't bite the hands that feed me.Please,I still love to be a part of this community,don't use the past record of my brother to judge me,be considerate,and know not all humans are living a wealthy life,some barely survive from the least you could ever think it will be enough to satisfy them.Please be kind to me.

It is curious to see how certain people see the negative feedback as excessive, but instead see the negative feedback on my profile, which the author himself has admitted is in a grey area, as justified.

This case reminds me a lot of Naim027's case. Everybody defending him because poor guy, he only plagiarized in the past several times, and he didn't do it again, and he only sent himself some merits among his alts, but poor guy, he didn't do it again, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

In this case, as in that one, the more you stretch, the more things come out.

I have reported this case in the ban evading thread, but maybe even he will be lucky and will not be banned again, as happened with Naim027, with the moderation of this forum you never know.

Many users kept questioning if the account had commit scam or cheat in the past, let's see this below.

First, check this post where YOSHIE's give a proof if dreamsnight and martyns are alt accounts. Both of them joined in the same campaign [ＢＯＵＮＴＹ] 📒⭐👑 Jinbi Token ~ The Golden ICO - Merging Gold With Blockchain 👑⭐📒 and there's a rule about usage of multiple accounts aren't allowed. The campaign spreadsheet either get deleted or privated, but as we can see both of the accounts have an intention to join twitter and telegram campaign.

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So if anyone think leaving negative feedback with changed hands reason isn't correct in this case, you can give negative feedback with a reason of cheating using multiple accounts. Same applies with users who leave neutral feedback, I think this case already clear.

I know I couldn't be more sure about the fact that he is making up all those stories, and it's more than likely that he bought the account, but with all due respect to the fellow DT members who tagged him negatively I don't think it's justified, if I were a campaign manager I probably wouldn't hire a bought account with the assumption that if a person can't build his own account -- he would unlikely benefit the campaign, but on what bases do I think that person is untrustworthy or a scammer?

Let's just pretend that someone manages to prove that the  "theymos" account has changed hands 7 years ago, and the real "theymos" died and passed it to his "brother", are we going to tag the account? is it really the person behind the account that matters or the account itself? to me, it feels like the tags on his account judge the person rather than the 'persona' that currently operates the account, it's like we know that the real person behind the account 1miau for example is not a serial killer in real life , we don't, but via his posts and my interactions with him, I know that his online-persona is to be trusted. So if someone proves that 1miau is a terrible person in real life -- that wouldn't change my point of view in regards to 1miau's forum persona.

Now begs the question, has martyns committed any scam or untrustworthy behavior after the day he got his hands on the account?

Oh, bravo! Someone's clearly a WhatsApp expert here!  

By the way, just in case you were curious, the messages you sent are on the right side of the screen, and the double tick mark below them means they have been delivered and/or seen. But I'm sure you already knew that, right? Well, congratulations! You've just added another nail to your own coffin.