Topic: CHANGELLY - Illegal exchanger from RUSSIA with FAKE team - page 4. (Read 4889 times)

It is true, Changelly, Atomic Swaps and Changenow are scammers.

Wow this is definitely some big news considering that Changelly has already become quite popular. Good thing i saw it this on the bitcointalk forum advertisment section. Surprised you paid that amount to get this listed.

People should really be made more aware if this is true.

Yes, it is, I am truly the only one here who does not understand you. First, you spit on rules that you didn’t even read, send fake, and then you blame someone for being born an idiot. I can never understand it because there is no logic in it.

And again you accuse me of being part of the exchange. You're an idiot! If I really were such, then I would not have written from this newbie account, having bought myself something better, for convincing. But your brain, like the shit of a fly, is unable to understand this. You're paranoid, man.

Besides, you claim that these guys are from Russia, accusing them of being illegal. As far as I know, the status of cryptocurrency in Russia is not defined, that is, it is not known when their use should be considered a crime. That funny photo with masked people, Mr. Clown, refers to the case when several guys laundered money with BTC (your friends?). There are no laws on cryptocurrencies, which means that it is not prohibited, but it is allowed!!!

But of course, most people will not bother to search for information, believing you.

WE? I see only one whore who want to know who I am and this whore is you  





Policeman?? You are fucking bunch from Russia which stole my money 3 months ago and do not refund it.
You lied all these months that you are afraid of simply returning money just because you are afraid of problems with Europol. But as soon as it became known, you just disappeared from the forum, pathetic scammers.

So guys, I decided to follow ni23457 to clarify.


You contradict yourself. They are not anonymous, if you believe the information that you found. They are not hiding, they are real people, maybe from Russia, I do not know. But what do we know about you? Nothing, just a stream of accusations.

Do you spit on the rules? Well, then you have no reason to blame someone for your problem. You yourself created it, spitting on the rules, sending a fake twice !! It is important!!! For example, I do not like to drive at 30 m/h, as indicated by the sign. Ok, I'll drive 70 m/h, and when a policeman stops me, I'll spit in his face! I clearly explained?

By the way, why don't you go to these guys, because you say that you know where they are. Oh, Mr. Shadow is scared !!! He wants to be anonymous, that is the reason for sending a fake twice.

P.S. I don't like KYC, it's fucking shit that is imposed on us by the actions of such idiots as ni23457. After the BTC became more convenient for criminals to launder dirty money, it became necessary to do this. And the more cases like this, then faster the mandatory KYC will be introduced on all exchanges.

Apparently Changelly claimed in an earlier post their system will inform the user that the amount requested to be exchanged has triggered a KYC requirement and would seek confirmation if the user wants to proceed.

According to Changelly the Changenow website does not do that even though it runs the Changelly API

Having said that Changenow and Changelly along with Atomic Swaps are the same people using different aliases to scam.

I cannot agree with you about the number of scams coming out of Russia more or less than anywhere else but the above 3 are part of the Russia link in this scam according to the excellent investigative work carried out by the OP.

There are plenty of scammers out there that allow you to deposit funds but pull the KYC trick when you try to withdraw (exchanges, gambling websites,etc) but most selective scam, which is what these thieves did to the OP. 110 BCH is a lot of money so if you want an exchange avoid these scammers.

Looks like a lot of these scams are coming out of Russia.  The scam advertisement led me here.

There has been a lot of selective scamming going around on exchanges and gambling websites.  Everything looks fine until you have a large balance.  Its funny they had  no problems taking coins without a KYC but once you want a withdrawl they want a background check.  how about requiring KYC upfront if you are going to request it down the road.

We can clearly see that all your alegation seems clear/founded and some of posts provided by changelly/changenow/atomic swaps confirming it.

I just wonder how they will move forward knowing there are some eyes on them. How long before their business will go bust because of this allegation.

Pm sent back to you.

Pathetic scammers you have been caught out thanks to the excellent provided by the OP.

Yes it WAS directly related to you even though the fraud did not take place on Changelly website but you scamming thieves are part of the same criminal group operated by the same scammers: Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps are part of the same group of multi-alias fraudsters and scammers.

These scammers must be boycotted to save users from outright theft and selective scamming.

If you refuse to recognize your child, then why are you protecting it together with your another child?





And the topic mainly is not about 100 BCH but about your FAKE names and location. Where are your comments?



Why do you constantly distribute this lie everywhere? Where did you get the confidence that I sent them the fake documents? You state that you are not related to this company. Why then do you repeat what you have not seen? You did not see what I sent to them, right? (After all, you're another independent company)

Hey! Need to clarify once again. The issue was NOT related directly to Changelly. As you may see, topic starter had no issues with our service. Exchange was happened via pretty other service. ChangeNOW use our API for some trading pairs, that's right. As well, as many other reputable business partners do. But for BCH-BTC pair ChangeNow don't use our API, most probably they have their own trading engine or something else, we don't know. User had the deal with ChangeNow, accepted their terms of use before deposit. As far as we understand, transaction was blocked by ChangeNOW due to KYC/AML policy violation with fake documents. Changelly have no access to that funds. Unfortunately we can't help. Please, contact ChangeNOW directly to complete legal investigation.

toodamntired, impressive post  
I will only comment on what I do not fully agree with.

I do not blame them for being registered somewhere. I blame them for giving out their registration for their real location. And people think that they are from the Czech Republic, but this is a lie.
Everyone knows that Yandex is a Russian company, which is located in Russia. And almost no one knows that it is registered in Netherlands. Yandex never pretended they were in Netherlands because they didn’t need to pretend. They are an honest and respected company in the world.


I am sure that the only reason for which they conceal that they from Russia is not an image/reputaion, but a fear of the Russian authorities and laws. Since there are no laws on cryptocurrency in Russia their activity is shady there. And they have every chance that once masked people come to them (as in the photo in the first post).


I spat on the rules written by some anonymous guys.
If they do not like that I spit on their rules, then let them just ban me in their service. Who are they to hold my property and refuse to refund?
I did not violate the laws of the state. I demanded to return my money in the first day (3 months ago)
If they had information that my money was stolen, they should have reported it to the Russian police. What the hell do they keep this money with? Who are they??

I repeat to you again. If I broke the rules of the fucking site, then this fucking site can stop working with me. Even in their wicked agreement there was no line that if I refuse to send them my documents, they will not return my money to me.

Therefore, they have the right to refuse me in exchange. I don't need their fucking exchange. But they have no right to hold my property, because they are nobody, they are not the police, they are not a bank, and not a stock exchange, they are Russian guys who bought the company in an offshore garbage dump for $ 650.



They are the same people living in the same city and having several shit companies
Russian Changelly, Atomic Wallet, ChangeNOW, Guarda, Ink.one, Evercode Lab (for unregistered users)
You for example have seen messages from Atomic Wallet here. This is a new company of the owner and former CEO of Changelly - Gla***hev. The co-founder of Atomic Wallet is Br**ov. Br**ov is co-founder of St Petersburg' Evercode Lab  (developer of ChangeNOW). It's just St. Petersburg family


It is very difficult for them. Because it is a system. If a person does not send documents, then the money remains with them.
And they find it difficult to go against it. They are afraid of precedent and its consequences for their rich life.
Read the Internet and see how many such cases. Someone even created a website.
http://changellyreview.com/
And everywhere the same words: fear of stolen money, Europol etc.
You understand that all this money remains with them? Do you understand the volume of this money? I think that for example 10% of users never send their documents. They are afraid of losing such a business. So it is very dangerous to make a precedent and return money to me.


People use fake names and pretend that they are from the Czech Republic and you do not call it a scam? What names did they use here?
They are not rap singers to use pseudonyms. They manage MONEY business service. Ask yourself for what purpose do they use fake names?




As you can see, they do not deny it. If they deny, then I will give theymos or another authoritative user a login/password from my email and he will confirm our correspondence and transactions.
I sent PM to you (not with login/pass  )

No worries. Create content - make sure all info is within. Provide me link and trust me it will not break your bank. Week of exposure to unlimited targeted (crypto) traffic is only 20$. I will even offer you exposure for free as I seriously think them scammers need to be stopped. If changelly gave u whitelisted account and change now is the same gang, than I don't see the reason why they should hold your coins untill you goes through kyc with them.

If they see you not going to do this , coins should be returned and case dismissed.

Keep on in spreading the awareness about this issue, so that community members can watch out their steps.

I love this post. You are right the scammers (such as Changelly, Changenow and Atomic Swaps) need to be boycotted.

 

I am going to throw my two cents in here for a minute... I am too lazy to grab all the quotes that I should, so if it doesn't make sense, just read the whole thread.

First, forget about the fact that Changelly has 2-million customers served... McDonald's has over 3-Billion people served and they screw people over daily. Just because a business is big does not mean that they are saints. In case you need some further examples of this, just think of Exxon, Enron, Wells Fargo.... see? big names, bad practices...

moving on....

On the other hand... Just because a company is registered in one jurisdiction and works from another, wile claiming to be from yet another location does not automatically make them scammers. Many examples in this category, as well..  I mean, who can blame them? If I was a Russian citizen, who owned a business that targeted customers on a global scale, I sure the hell would not say I was in Russia. Who would do business with me? I am not being mean, i happen to love Russia, have been there several times, but let's ace it, Russia has not been getting the best reputation for trust in the news lately.

While I admit that sending pictures of Trump and Putin has got to be the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life, you maybe should not have done it with $70,000 USD worth of Bitcoin Cash being the sole reason the documents were requested.

I understand your frustration and anger, but you are the one who gave them the right to take your money. By sending in those images, you did violate their terms of service and really there is no one to blame for that, except for yourself. The fact that they did that, and have continued to hold it is simply bad business practices on their part. Maybe even bordering on criminal, i am not sure. Either way, i do not agree with it at all.

Furthermore, I think that while Changelly is not directly responsible, the representative from Changelly who has posted here is incorrect in one aspect for sure. A comment by the person posting as Changelly said that they were not responsible for what a third-party does using their API. Clearly, they are no responsible, because a Responsible company would investigate this and revoke ChangeNow's API access in the interim. By not doing this, it shows a lack of concern for consumers,as well as support for anyone who wishes to scam others.

In fact, Changelly should just start a new marketing campaign.... The banners can read something like this:

"Looking to scam people for a lot of Bitcoin? Changelly has all the tools you need to ensure you maximize your scamming potential. Sign up now and start robbing people today!"

While that may seem funny, it is basically what  has been done. Changelly said, well, not our problem and we are going to ignore it and let change now do whatever they want with the tools we provide. As long as they pay their bill every month, what do we care?"

I am in NO WAY saying that this is the view of Changelly. ll I am saying is that could VERY easily appear to be the Changelly attitude from someone who just happens upon this post at some un-Godly hour of the night...

I think that the OP got pissed and had the right to be pissed because of what happened. I then think he pissed them off with his joke nd they said, "Ha Motherfucker, we got the last laugh now!"

Give the man his money back... Changelly, do something about it. because if you serve 2-million customers, $70k worth of BCH is not worth the headache. Time spent posting on it here, replying to posts elsewhere, customers lost as a result of their opinion being in line with OPs, etc...

OP, I am on your side here.. they need to refund you right away. until then, and maybe even after, they should be b boycotted and ousted as performing bas business, but not of scamming since there is no actual proof of that.

I am foing to send you a PM ni23457

Putin and Trump!! Too funny!! 

Perhaps Changelly aka Changenow aka Evercode aka Atomic Swap should insert the term states that " If you fail in our KYC/AML process, your funds will be ours."

   giving a revolution in the crypto community! zayebat all these crooks who hide behind centralized stock exchanges. and another, it became impossible to work normally, if the developer did not fuck you from the very beginning, then it tries to fuck the pool, then the stock exchange and in the end if you are lucky and you jumped between the tycoons, then maybe you will earn something! and everyone wonders why when they go to the stock exchange, everyone is draining coins, but because they are happy to jump out with at least some profit (or just money for a piece of bread and butter). and here it is not all ... here you are waiting for the exchanger, which also wants to get from you.
 three years ago, I was running away from this infinite world in crypto, but this is only an illusion. this world is what we are! all life is a struggle!

p.s. A McAfee Alliance announcement. Help us fight corruption within the crypto community. https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1046894245829910528

ni23457, thanks for this thread.