CHANGELLY - Illegal exchanger from RUSSIA with FAKE team - page 5.

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Quote from: s1lverbox on October 02, 2018, 01:04:05 PM

I do understand this kyc and AML crap and that some businesses must obey otherwise will be closed. But what's them services done is clearly dick move.
Looks like they selectively scamming knowing that some will not chase money.

It all looks like some kind of madness. These idiots(Changelly) exchanged hundreds of bitcoins a month ago and gave me a whitelisted account without KYC. I just did not know that they were all from the same gang and I sent them letter before exchange with asking to guarantee exchange without KYC surprises. And now the second part of the idiots(ChangeNOW) realized that it is no longer possible to lie about the fear of Europol for returning such a large amount without documents and just ran away from the forum.

Quote from: s1lverbox on October 02, 2018, 01:04:05 PM

Op, I do have faucet on my service https://ontcalc.info and if you need some more visits and viewers just message me.

Thank you, but I don't want to spend the money for this. I really have a lot of spending.

But if this problem really worries you, then I have no right to forbid you to distribute this information at your discretion.

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Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on October 02, 2018, 12:02:08 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on October 02, 2018, 09:10:11 AM

On this occasion the Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps scammers messed with the wrong person because user ni23457 decided principle was more important than money so he spent more money (on top of the 110 BCH those scamming thieves stole from him) to pay for banner adverts in this Bitcointalk forum to warn gullible investors, newbies and seasoned users about their scams.

Kudos to user ni23457 for exposing those scamming thieves at Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps

The ad was what lead me here. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw and figured that someone paid to actually sensitize the community - especially about a company as widely known as Changelly. Consider the bear market and all and the effort becomes much more magnanimous

It clearly shows the OP would never let those scammers get away with it without facing the consequences of other users knowing about their scam. I have total respect for the OP.

How would you feel if you sent 110 BCH (around 11 BTC at the time) to an exchange that was calling itself "anonymous and limitless" yet selectively scammed you? Changelly is part of the same stable of scammers including Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps.

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I do understand this kyc and AML crap and that some businesses must obey otherwise will be closed. But what's them services done is clearly dick move.
Looks like they selectively scamming knowing that some will not chase money.

Op keep fighting. Don't let go. Cos if u will they will scam again and again.

To other services in question , if you don't know how to deal with this just send funds back to same wallet u got them from.

Easy. As I think this situation will cost you more than you think.

Op, I do have faucet on my service https://ontcalc.info and if you need some more visits and viewers just message me.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 02, 2018, 09:10:11 AM

Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on October 02, 2018, 04:07:54 AM

Was seriously at the verge of getting into the Atomic Wallet ICO... now I have to peddle backwards on that thought. The more we delve into decentralization, the obvious it becomes that some players still want to keep their centralized mindset by building businesses that only carries the blockchain label, not its spirit.

It is not just about the spirit of the project it is also about the team behind it.

If you put 2 and 2 together you will see (thanks to user ni23457) that Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps are part of the same group of operators that scam investors and users by "Selective Scamming". So they portray themselves as a bonafide business but in reality they selectively scam their customers.

On this occasion the Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps scammers messed with the wrong person because user ni23457 decided principle was more important than money so he spent more money (on top of the 110 BCH those scamming thieves stole from him) to pay for banner adverts in this Bitcointalk forum to warn gullible investors, newbies and seasoned users about their scams.

Kudos to user ni23457 for exposing those scamming thieves at Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps

Thank you for deciding you will not participate in the Atomic Swaps scam ICO. Please keep away from them and uninstall their software if you installed it.

The ad was what lead me here. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw and figured that someone paid to actually sensitize the community - especially about a company as widely known as Changelly. Consider the bear market and all and the effort becomes much more magnanimous

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Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on October 02, 2018, 04:07:54 AM

Was seriously at the verge of getting into the Atomic Wallet ICO... now I have to peddle backwards on that thought. The more we delve into decentralization, the obvious it becomes that some players still want to keep their centralized mindset by building businesses that only carries the blockchain label, not its spirit.

It is not just about the spirit of the project it is also about the team behind it.

If you put 2 and 2 together you will see (thanks to user ni23457) that Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps are part of the same group of operators that scam investors and users by "Selective Scamming". So they portray themselves as a bonafide business but in reality they selectively scam their customers.

On this occasion the Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps scammers messed with the wrong person because user ni23457 decided principle was more important than money so he spent more money (on top of the 110 BCH those scamming thieves stole from him) to pay for banner adverts in this Bitcointalk forum to warn gullible investors, newbies and seasoned users about their scams.

Kudos to user ni23457 for exposing those scamming thieves at Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps

Thank you for deciding you will not participate in the Atomic Swaps scam ICO. Please keep away from them and uninstall their software if you installed it.

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Quote from: Atomicwallet on October 02, 2018, 06:17:51 AM

Here is discussion thread with answers from ChangeNOW and other user opinions as well
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/changenowio-evercode-lab-scam-illegally-holding-of-100-bch-11-bitcoins-4619534

Did you find only the first 2 posts in your defense, idiot? 3-months old posts??? I would be interested to know the opinion of these people about you now. I'll write to them now.
This is current opinion about your "service"

Quote from: Atomicwallet on October 02, 2018, 06:17:51 AM

Quote from: ni23457 on September 21, 2018, 10:03:23 AM

At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

Perfect, you had no issues with Changelly. But had the deal with another service ChangeNow, agreed with their terms of use before deposit.

This is not another service. This is YOU. You are Br**ov, right? You are co-founder of St. Peterburg' Evercode Lab (the developer of ChangeNOW). So you Br**ov owe me this money

Quote from: Atomicwallet on October 02, 2018, 06:17:51 AM

agreed with their terms of use before deposit.

And what's next? YOU DECEIVED ME! YOU ARE NOT LEGITIMATE SERVICE. YOU HID BEHIND THE ENGLISH LETTERS. I'M NOT OBLIGED TO DISCLOSE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT MYSELF TO OFFSHORE MONKEYS FROM RUSSIA! If it was written on your website that it was just the Russians who bought the company in an offshore garbage dump(650 USD), I would never change anything there. Return the money to sender's wallet idiot. I don't need your ILLEGAL exchange. I do not want to dirty my wallets about your money. Your business is not legal in Russia. And that is why you use fake names because you are afraid of problems with the law in Russia.

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Quote from: ni23457 on September 21, 2018, 10:03:23 AM

At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

Perfect, you had no issues with Changelly. But had the deal with another service ChangeNow, agreed with their terms of use before deposit. Than strictly violated their KYC/AML policy by sending FAKE documents twice. You are responsible for that. If you have any doubts, simply take the legal action instead of chasing company anonymously from various paid accounts here. The best way to resolve the dispute, ChangeNow should identify the customer, prove the source of funds and complete legal investigation.

Here is discussion thread with answers from ChangeNOW and other user opinions as well
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/changenowio-evercode-lab-scam-illegally-holding-of-100-bch-11-bitcoins-4619534

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Thinking that Changelly should go under the AML/KYC process for their own self too. They have no right to impose this rule to the customers and at the same time they are not transparent about the legitimacy. Let the community evaluate either they are legit or not. A swap exchange shouldn't freeze customer's fund with baseless accusation. If there is any legal investigation, Changelly must dislose the details to customer.

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Quote from: Atomicwallet on October 02, 2018, 05:36:29 AM

Before using any centralised services you should agree with their terms of use

I changed my mind to use your pathetic service 3 months ago. Return my money to sender's wallet idiot! This is not your property to hold it 3 months asshole... asshole with FAKE names and location. You have no right to ask anyone for documents, because you work illegally in Russia. The whole KYC thing is designed by you only for the fact that ~10% of customers will never send their documents to you and their money will left with you. Where do you spend the money of people who have not passed KYC? Where? Do you travel the world and under fake names fool people like Binance CEO?

Quote from: Atomicwallet on October 01, 2018, 12:35:42 PM

is to identify the customer, prove the source of funds and complete legal investigation on possible money laundering.

You are pathetic liar answer me. Who is launderer?

Quote from: ni23457 on September 21, 2018, 10:03:23 AM

At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

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Quote from: s1lverbox on September 25, 2018, 06:20:09 PM

Quote from: Atomicwallet on September 25, 2018, 06:04:37 PM

Hey! We saw the mention of Atomic. However the topic starter issue was NOT related directly to our company. As we see, he used pretty other service and strictly VIOLATED their AML/KYC policy by providing FAKE documents twice. Instead of legal investigation, he started to chase company anonymously from various FAKE accounts. Seems to be pretty clear the only way to resolve the dispute is to identify the customer, prove the source of funds and complete legal investigation.

here is some INVESTIGATION from the other side
https://medium.com/@arennathan9/changenow-scam-or-review-how-ni23457-blackmails-the-exchange-978c483ef81a

All good in the hood but i think this line went to far:

And also this is clear enough to avoid you with any significant amount:

In other words, spread your sells or dont use those centralize crappy services.

Good points, thanks!

Before using any centralised services you should agree with their terms of use. Otherwise just not to use them. But if you VIOLATED the KYC/AML policy by sanding FAKE documents twice, you simply became responsible for that. Any exchange will block your transaction and start legal investigation in that case. Unfortunately a lot of money laundering in crypto.

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Was seriously at the verge of getting into the Atomic Wallet ICO... now I have to peddle backwards on that thought. The more we delve into decentralization, the obvious it becomes that some players still want to keep their centralized mindset by building businesses that only carries the blockchain label, not its spirit.

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I've noticed this scam form the ad. Its clear they are selective scamming customers.

It's clear the OP did nothing wrong, I hope these scammers get whats coming to them.

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I don't know if the company is based in Czech Republic or Russia, but some people on the photo looks very Russian to me.

As for European AML laws, take a look into ChangeNOW T&C:

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5. Governing Law
Governing Law Our Terms are governed by the laws of the Belize, and any and all laws applicable therein. Our Terms are to be treated in all respects as a Belize contract. We and you irrevocably and unconditionally attorn to the non-exclusive jurisdiction, venue, and forum of the Belize, and all courts competent to hear appeals therefrom.

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I just saw you paid for more Scam Alert banner adverts but this time for "Changelly scam" linked to this thread.

You are a very kind person for spending your own money to save people from getting scammed by those scamming thieves at Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps.

Thank you

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Quote from: NeroZyF on October 01, 2018, 03:51:28 PM

About the photo. I am Russian and I think that these people are not like Russians.

Oh please.. This is Russians(except a few persons) + photoshop retouch. Just look at each face carefully.

Quote from: NeroZyF on October 01, 2018, 03:51:28 PM

Most likely they were frightened by your large volumes and they noticed you.

We could talk about it, but:

Quote from: ni23457 on September 21, 2018, 10:03:23 AM

At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

Quote from: NeroZyF on October 01, 2018, 03:51:28 PM

I think all parties need to calm down and find a compromise in this matter.

Good idea but

Quote from: ni23457 on September 27, 2018, 11:15:08 AM

pathetic proxy just stole my money and ignore all my letters since July 19.

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Quote from: ni23457 on September 25, 2018, 10:46:56 AM

Quote from: Changelly on September 24, 2018, 11:57:20 AM

Changelly is officially incorporated in Malta and our activity is fully compliant with Malta legal framework.

Your offshore companies do not interest anyone. Every idiot can register this absolutely anonymously.

Where was this photo taken? In what city?

https://twitter.com/gladkos/status/1039511463583342594 [FORMER CEO's OFFICIAL TWITTER]

About the photo. I am Russian and I think that these people are not like Russians.
I do not know whether they are similar to Czechs or not, maybe someone from the Czech Republic will comment on this.
I do not think that there is a conspiracy to take your money. Most likely they were frightened by your large volumes and they noticed you.
I think all parties need to calm down and find a compromise in this matter.
Just came a crazy idea, maybe everyone will be satisfied if you pass KYC on Skype or in any other way.
I hope you will be all right and this question will be solved in your favor.
Best regards

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Quote from: s1lverbox on September 26, 2018, 05:39:34 AM

Quote from: AxelBTC on September 26, 2018, 05:27:04 AM

In the long run trading with russians i've learned something. dont deal unless you know personally beccause they are stubborn af

they're surely scam if you show proofs or not because they always think they are right.

I wouldn't call all Russians a scammers. But yeah, see the pattern here. Icon of cartaxi was perfect example. I know few Russians and they are super great trade partners. Never an issue. But yeah. Sometimes few bad apples......
I think they scamming selectively. That way they can stay longer g enough in business.

I absolutely agree with your statement. Several Russian projects are stunning, great and several are scams. All nations have their scammers not just Russians.

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Quote from: AxelBTC on September 26, 2018, 05:27:04 AM

In the long run trading with russians i've learned something. dont deal unless you know personally beccause they are stubborn af

they're surely scam if you show proofs or not because they always think they are right.

I wouldn't call all Russians a scammers. But yeah, see the pattern here. Icon of cartaxi was perfect example. I know few Russians and they are super great trade partners. Never an issue. But yeah. Sometimes few bad apples......
I think they scamming selectively. That way they can stay longer g enough in business.

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In the long run trading with russians i've learned something. dont deal unless you know personally beccause they are stubborn af

they're surely scam if you show proofs or not because they always think they are right.

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Quote from: s1lverbox on September 26, 2018, 04:37:26 AM

Sad to see them going quiet because they know u got something. Next time spread your bets or don't use them at all. Plenty of guys to exchange BTC for other crypto in the sphere.

Yes very sad representatives of Changelly go quiet when they get asked hard questions or are shown hard proof.

I guess the OP is right, Changelly, Atomic Swaps, Changenow and Evercode are all connected by the same set of scammers using aliases.

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