China says it will trade normally with Russia

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I tried to see from China's point of view why China did not participate in carrying out economic sanctions like America, Britain, Australia, Japan etc. It turned out that it was because they thought that what America was doing was illegal because it was based on a unilateral decision. He even said that since 2011 America has imposed sanctions on Russia 100 times, perhaps because of that Russia is still stable even though it is limited by several countries because they feel they are used to it.

And also, it's simple that they're allied with Russia.

An ally won't do sanction if they've been partners for a long time. But as well as the competition for these superpowers has been there for a long time.

The advantage is with China that they'd bring help to the economy of Russia.

They are right, in addition to the fact that China is an ally, not only does Russia have China, on the other hand there is Arabia, which also has a better relationship with Russia than with the Americans, so let's say that these countries do not agree with the dollar, they are countries that They want to leave the hegemony of the dollar that is sinking, and in a war that exists, money that suffers a lot of inflation will not have money, and it must be seen that the US economy is taking a lot of inflation and they have to satisfy their needs anyway, this means that a union between these countries will not allow a totally suffocated Russian economy to sink.

It is really just typical that there would be alliances on different countries because not all would really agree on the same situation or things that they are dealing with which it is pretty normal that there would be groups.

There would be oppositions,alliances and being neutral. One thing that they do have in mind is that whenever they do get that benefit or something good that would in result then this is where they usually stick.

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Quote from: livingfree on March 08, 2022, 07:36:36 PM

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I tried to see from China's point of view why China did not participate in carrying out economic sanctions like America, Britain, Australia, Japan etc. It turned out that it was because they thought that what America was doing was illegal because it was based on a unilateral decision. He even said that since 2011 America has imposed sanctions on Russia 100 times, perhaps because of that Russia is still stable even though it is limited by several countries because they feel they are used to it.

And also, it's simple that they're allied with Russia.

An ally won't do sanction if they've been partners for a long time. But as well as the competition for these superpowers has been there for a long time.

The advantage is with China that they'd bring help to the economy of Russia.

The interests of Russia and China are aligned, if they could they would like tho see the US no longer as the top superpower of the world, but if that is not possible they would at least like for the US to lose some of its power.

And it is because of this their postures towards bitcoin are ever-changing, they dislike the idea of people bypassing their monitoring tools, but they love the idea of using bitcoin to weaken the control the US has over the world economy and try to get around whatever sanctions the US may implement against them in the future by using an independent tool like bitcoin.

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Quote from: livingfree on March 08, 2022, 07:36:36 PM

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I tried to see from China's point of view why China did not participate in carrying out economic sanctions like America, Britain, Australia, Japan etc. It turned out that it was because they thought that what America was doing was illegal because it was based on a unilateral decision. He even said that since 2011 America has imposed sanctions on Russia 100 times, perhaps because of that Russia is still stable even though it is limited by several countries because they feel they are used to it.

And also, it's simple that they're allied with Russia.

An ally won't do sanction if they've been partners for a long time. But as well as the competition for these superpowers has been there for a long time.

The advantage is with China that they'd bring help to the economy of Russia.

They are right, in addition to the fact that China is an ally, not only does Russia have China, on the other hand there is Arabia, which also has a better relationship with Russia than with the Americans, so let's say that these countries do not agree with the dollar, they are countries that They want to leave the hegemony of the dollar that is sinking, and in a war that exists, money that suffers a lot of inflation will not have money, and it must be seen that the US economy is taking a lot of inflation and they have to satisfy their needs anyway, this means that a union between these countries will not allow a totally suffocated Russian economy to sink.

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Quote from: Sterbens on March 09, 2022, 06:55:26 AM

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I tried to see from China's point of view why China did not participate in carrying out economic sanctions like America, Britain, Australia, Japan etc. It turned out that it was because they thought that what America was doing was illegal because it was based on a unilateral decision. He even said that since 2011 America has imposed sanctions on Russia 100 times, perhaps because of that Russia is still stable even though it is limited by several countries because they feel they are used to it.

And also, it's simple that they're allied with Russia.

An ally won't do sanction if they've been partners for a long time. But as well as the competition for these superpowers has been there for a long time.

The advantage is with China that they'd bring help to the economy of Russia.

What we need to remember is that there are 2 big ASIAN powers that are ready to become Russia's allies even in a state of sanctions crisis. China and North Korea provide full support to Russia. Since the invasion, a lot of support from North Korea until now approaching the 15th day of the invasion, little by little the Ukrainian border areas have begun to be controlled. If we look at what Russia has done, it is not much different from what the US did when fighting Iraq, Afghanistan, and Middle Eastern countries, for reasons that are not much different.

The funny thing is, the US does not get sanctions and criticism from other countries. I prefer to call it the Russian attack on Ukraine than the Invasion. Because what the US is doing is tantamount to killing millions of innocent victims in the Middle East with the excuse of securing weapons of mass destruction that have not been proven true. Therefore, neither the US nor NATO provides 100% military assistance to Ukraine, they only prioritize humanitarian assistance such as medicine and accept Ukrainian citizens who want to evacuate.

They're not ready to become allies because they were already an ally even before the war has started.

It would be a lot of pain if they'll join the war but I don't think that it will come up to that point that they'll join the war. Unless Russia sees the world war 3 is coming and other allies of Ukraine coming in.

That's a really possible thing to happen that these two big countries that's known to be a big opponent for a war will certainly come to help Russia.

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This is no surprise. China, a communist nation, is always going to side with other like minded countries. They will of course stop just short of too much support or help unless it came to World War 3. The west challenges their evil ways of governing and they don’t like it. Not sanctioning Russia was always expected. It was actually surprising seeing them say that Russia should solve this peacefully.

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Quote from: livingfree on March 08, 2022, 07:36:36 PM

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I tried to see from China's point of view why China did not participate in carrying out economic sanctions like America, Britain, Australia, Japan etc. It turned out that it was because they thought that what America was doing was illegal because it was based on a unilateral decision. He even said that since 2011 America has imposed sanctions on Russia 100 times, perhaps because of that Russia is still stable even though it is limited by several countries because they feel they are used to it.

And also, it's simple that they're allied with Russia.

An ally won't do sanction if they've been partners for a long time. But as well as the competition for these superpowers has been there for a long time.

The advantage is with China that they'd bring help to the economy of Russia.

What we need to remember is that there are 2 big ASIAN powers that are ready to become Russia's allies even in a state of sanctions crisis. China and North Korea provide full support to Russia. Since the invasion, a lot of support from North Korea until now approaching the 15th day of the invasion, little by little the Ukrainian border areas have begun to be controlled. If we look at what Russia has done, it is not much different from what the US did when fighting Iraq, Afghanistan, and Middle Eastern countries, for reasons that are not much different.

The funny thing is, the US does not get sanctions and criticism from other countries. I prefer to call it the Russian attack on Ukraine than the Invasion. Because what the US is doing is tantamount to killing millions of innocent victims in the Middle East with the excuse of securing weapons of mass destruction that have not been proven true. Therefore, neither the US nor NATO provides 100% military assistance to Ukraine, they only prioritize humanitarian assistance such as medicine and accept Ukrainian citizens who want to evacuate.

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I tried to see from China's point of view why China did not participate in carrying out economic sanctions like America, Britain, Australia, Japan etc. It turned out that it was because they thought that what America was doing was illegal because it was based on a unilateral decision. He even said that since 2011 America has imposed sanctions on Russia 100 times, perhaps because of that Russia is still stable even though it is limited by several countries because they feel they are used to it.

And also, it's simple that they're allied with Russia.

An ally won't do sanction if they've been partners for a long time. But as well as the competition for these superpowers has been there for a long time.

The advantage is with China that they'd bring help to the economy of Russia.

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Quote from: Similificator on March 05, 2022, 09:15:58 AM

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The world has drastically changed over the years. Nowadays, war shouldn't even cross the minds of people because the consequences are definitely more than what world expected decades ago. These days should be the days of diplomacy and peace; respect for human rights and love for the humanity and the world we live in. It is very sad to see these events that aren't even supposed to happen which are affecting millions of lives and if not helped, can even go beyond. People just never learn. Just for some measly benefits and egos leaders who were suppotto tale their people to better days are the ones that repeat the same mistakes of the past over and over again. I really pity the generations to come that has to hear the consequences of our actions today.

The truth is that while our technology has advanced at an amazing rate, at the same time we as humans are not much different from the people living thousands of years ago and the civilizations they built which were at a constant sate of war against each other.

So while without a doubt it would be preferable that such thing did not happened it is almost unavoidable that we as a species we will keep making the same mistakes, if anything the only reason the number of conflicts around the world have gone down over the years it has to do with the fact that we know that WWIII will devastate the world, so governments are way more measured than in the past and try to do what they can to avoid conflicts with other countries.

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Quote from: Sterbens on March 03, 2022, 11:54:59 AM

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The world has drastically changed over the years. Nowadays, war shouldn't even cross the minds of people because the consequences are definitely more than what world expected decades ago. These days should be the days of diplomacy and peace; respect for human rights and love for the humanity and the world we live in. It is very sad to see these events that aren't even supposed to happen which are affecting millions of lives and if not helped, can even go beyond. People just never learn. Just for some measly benefits and egos leaders who were suppotto tale their people to better days are the ones that repeat the same mistakes of the past over and over again. I really pity the generations to come that has to hear the consequences of our actions today.

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Casual recognition of part of another country's territorial independence out of national interest will cause more trouble.
China's current development requires a peaceful and stable international environment, and China will not claim to impose sanctions on any country.

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China has always remained neutral and has not sanctioned Russia's economy and development from Ukraine's perspective like other NATO powers. China has no intention of taking sides. Although an ally, it has not interfered with Ukraine or Russia. This approach is stronger than some countries claiming to be neutral and actually sanctioning Russia.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 04, 2022, 10:27:13 PM

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Other countries are reluctant to go to war with China because of their high dependence on China, almost all products from China are spread to the world, another thing about China is that by normal trading with Russia, you will get high profits, especially China is a country that borders directly with Russia. easy and low cost.

China and Russia are natural allies. China is an energy consuming nation, while Russia is the top energy exporter in the world. Chinese factories need massive amount of natural resources such as iron ore, coal, aluminum, copper, manganese and other metals, while Russia is one of the top producers of these assets. And on the other hand, China is the manufacturing hub for electronics, household appliances, plastic products, textiles.etc, while Russia is one of the top importer of these commodities. Any economic partnership between these two countries will be extremely strong.

I wouldn't call them allies. In fact I don't think there are any alliances between countries. There are only partnerships and opportunities. China is ignoring Russia's actions because Russia is the enemy of their enemy (which is the US). Also, this creates an opportunity to get the Russian oil for nearly free. And there is even more, since they are about to invade Taiwan; soon they may find themselves in a similar situation so it makes sense to support a country which is already in this situation.

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Quote from: Sir Legend on March 04, 2022, 02:53:14 AM

Other countries are reluctant to go to war with China because of their high dependence on China, almost all products from China are spread to the world, another thing about China is that by normal trading with Russia, you will get high profits, especially China is a country that borders directly with Russia. easy and low cost.

China and Russia are natural allies. China is an energy consuming nation, while Russia is the top energy exporter in the world. Chinese factories need massive amount of natural resources such as iron ore, coal, aluminum, copper, manganese and other metals, while Russia is one of the top producers of these assets. And on the other hand, China is the manufacturing hub for electronics, household appliances, plastic products, textiles.etc, while Russia is one of the top importer of these commodities. Any economic partnership between these two countries will be extremely strong.

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Quote from: oHnK on March 02, 2022, 02:45:00 PM

Putin is one of the smartest presidents in my opinion because no matter how their economic condition is sanctioned by the world, they will still survive because Europe's oil supply is 40% supported by Russia. How can a decision that Europe has taken not be so fatal to Russia? That's because Russia's preparations to face this condition have actually been able to bear the existing burden. Assess the effect of the United Nations on the country of influence.

putin is not a smart but cunning president, taking advantage of EU gas needs to be used as a shield is the devil's doing..

I would be very happy to hear putin burned by the Russian gas!
China and Russia are ruled by demons in human bodies, only money, power and terror they like..

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Quote from: Frengki_cisco on March 03, 2022, 11:17:57 PM

I think china understands russia is the biggest asset for china in trade especially Economy, where we know china is expert in trade.

In fact china has always avoided war, they prefer economic business to war, almost all countries have debts to china, the goal, other countries are reluctant to make war on china.

Other countries are reluctant to go to war with China because of their high dependence on China, almost all products from China are spread to the world, another thing about China is that by normal trading with Russia, you will get high profits, especially China is a country that borders directly with Russia. easy and low cost.

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That's expected, they're both a communist country so I am not surprised that they will be continuing as it is, and it's worth noting that China is known to always screw with Western powers because they've been able to do it for a long time now and they're unstoppable in doing so. This might be a big help to Russia to continue their campaign despite the economic sanctions.

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Quote from: Frengki_cisco on March 03, 2022, 11:17:57 PM

I think china understands russia is the biggest asset for china in trade especially Economy, where we know china is expert in trade.

In fact china has always avoided war, they prefer economic business to war, almost all countries have debts to china, the goal, other countries are reluctant to make war on china.

China is one of the countries that always benefits from warfare. They are experts in stepping on two boats at the same time. Right now they are giving an impression that they are on the side of Russia. Now they will bargain hard with NATO and get additional relaxations from them in order to take a stricter stance against Russia. On the other hand, they will bargain with Russia and its allies like Belarus, and will make sure that Russia sells them crude oil, natural gas and other mineral resources at rates much below the normal market price.

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I think it was disastrous but that the US got yeeted out of Afghanistan was a blessing for them. They wouldn't be able to fight to preserve both Europe and Taiwan. I think China would wait until Russia breaks out of Ukraine into say, Poland, before it will attack Taiwan. That way the US would be stretched thin. It does heavylifting in NATO and in Asia its only partner that would fight to help defend Taiwan would be Japan.

Talking about the US and Afghanistan, the answer is that the US has suffered heavy losses and has produced nothing. What remains are only innocent victims, launching accusations from Western Intelligence who for years turned out to be gravely mistaken by disappointing information. That's the reason the US withdrew and had no intention of going to war against Afghanistan.
As we know at this time, NATO is still carrying out normal actions, namely guarding the borders of NATO countries. It means waiting for Russia to fish or indeed waiting to be provoked. Despite all that, I keep my ears open and hope that Ukraine will return soon under better conditions. There is still a peaceful path if you don't want any more victims to die in vain for following the selfishness of the two presidents. Regarding China, they will also invade Taiwan, the information is like that and it will definitely not be far from what Russia is doing.

Well that's pretty much what they can only do anyway. Haven't checked the news again but I suppose NATO is still playing safe and just preparing in case Putin gets greedy and launch attacks with its puppet Belarus.

And yes China will invade Taiwan, it's not a matter of if but of when. People just keep mentioning it since China can take the opportunity if NATO get its hands tied up in Ukraine and it breaks out into a larger conflict.

China and russia are friends and therefore china won't ban russian product and services. The world is divided into two parts, one who stands with russia and the other who stands with ukriane (USA + NATO).

If there is a nuclear war, then everyone will jump in and chinese will invade the taiwan. Lets see how this situation develops in march as this month will decide the fate for rest of the months and years to come.

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I think china understands russia is the biggest asset for china in trade especially Economy, where we know china is expert in trade.

In fact china has always avoided war, they prefer economic business to war, almost all countries have debts to china, the goal, other countries are reluctant to make war on china.

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Quote from: Viscore on March 03, 2022, 07:45:07 PM

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That’s because they and other countries like India, China and one more is there are directly involved in strategic partnerships with USA, UK and Russia. The thing is, if they give direct support to Russia or if they don’t support Russia they will get negative impression from both side.

I mean they have proper business and proper treaties with all the nations above so why would they show their support directly?

It’s not like they are gonna work normally with them, it’s just that they have commercial relationships with many countries and they do not want to be part of the WAR and any decisions made thereafter.

These countries are allies and sanctions will not let them interfere despite many countries will join in giving sanctions but these countries are more focus in their business and that they know how the economy will be affected. Russia in other ways know these at first that China will still support them even there are many countries who will against them.

Yeah, its all about business. China is a businessman and they jusf want to make money. They dont hold a gun to anyone's head and make them sign deals. Bags of cash maybe but not force Grin

Aside from that China is already Russia's primary trading partner. Sanctions or no sanction that will no change for a long time. As long as Russia provides China with cheap natural gas, nothing will happen to their relationship.

Thats correct. With or without sanction on Russia, China will always purchase gas and oil from Russia. Therefore gas from Russia is absolutely necessary. Its on China's interest to secure a safe supply of gas from a friendly country.

And besides it is not China's fight. Both Russia and Ukraine are friend of China. China has no reason to suppport the war between the friends. And its very hard to take side when conflict happened and both side is your friend. What a friend only can do now is to defuse the tension rather than giving a weapons to create more harm.

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