China says it will trade normally with Russia - page 4.

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Quote from: mindrust on February 27, 2022, 02:23:11 AM

What did you expect? You thought China was going to sanction Russia too? China is about to invade Taiwan and soon they will themselves in a similar situation like Russia. It is natural for China to ignore Russia. China, Russia, Iran block can survive forever even if they don't do any trades with the west but can the west survive without the Russian gas&oil? We will see.

There's no surprise about China's reaction towards this war as they are known to be allies.
And yes, it is true, Russia is just ahead of this invasion. Because China has long been eyeing of this possible Taiwan invasion.
Russia and China are the biggest countries in the world (top 1 & 3, respectively), so high possibility that they can survive on their own.
So even if with this impending cut off in SWIFT with Russia, I believe, Putin already considered this scenario and he has back up plans already.
He wants to go all in in this war, so he knows what he's doing and he's prepared for these possible consequences.
We will see the impact maybe after a month or two after this invasion. Their people will be the most affected on this war crisis.

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We all know how Russia's relationship with China, China's relationship with the US and Russia's relationship with the US are, so the war between ukraine and russia will have no effect on china. China and Russia are strong allies, Besides that, the products of Russia ^{(gas and oil)} are very tempting to many countries. the US sanctions on Russia must be very happy for China.

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What did you expect? You thought China was going to sanction Russia too? China is about to invade Taiwan and soon they will themselves in a similar situation like Russia. It is natural for China to ignore Russia. China, Russia, Iran block can survive forever even if they don't do any trades with the west but can the west survive without the Russian gas&oil? We will see.

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Quote from: istiak2277 on February 26, 2022, 12:34:14 PM

One of the largest economy in the world could help to keep stability to Russia's economy? May be this will not be enough but it seems Putin have already planned for it. I saw a data where it shows Russia has 13% of their total reserve in Yuan. They knew a sanction will come so they reduce their dollar reserve to only 16%. A great move from Putin can not deny it.

Putin already has everything planned out. Before even the attack began he knew the westerners won't interfere and just incase any of them were thinking of doing something, he made a threatening statement to stop such ambition. This Ukraine and Russia war is more of like two siblings fighting and when that's the case you there not come between them as at the end of the day, they might settle and put all the blames on you. Russian is like a big brother to Ukraine, they can settle this if Ukraine wasn't trying to suck NATO's ass.

Russian are just reacting out of paranoid because if they were to lose Ukraine to the NATO then that'll mean they'll be having military personnel and equipment from their enemies inches away from their country which isn't safe. China has no issue with Russia mainly because they don't roll with the westerners. What ever sanctions they implemented doesn't concerned them. They have nothing to gain from the sanctions instead they have all to gain if the westerners were to stop trading with Russia.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on February 27, 2022, 12:56:54 AM

Lol sometimes I just feel China is some kind of a weird country. I am yet to fully understand what really led to this attack on Ukraine, haven’t really seen any news site that would break it down and state the actual reason why they are fighting.

You could write a book on why Russia is invading Ukraine - to sum it up for you: Putin wants to maintain national security and relive the glory days of the USSR. Ukraine is getting too close to the west and might've been on the verge of joining NATO, and Putin does not want geopolitical pressure so close to his borders.

Anyway, we already knew China and Russia were indirect allies. This comes as no shock to anyone paying attention to China's foreign policy. China understands the Russian invasion will help them invade Taiwan because they recognize the international community is doing nothing to get involved. China will continue to strengthen their economy and sees no reason to stand diplomatically with the west. For reference, China still supplies North Korea, so their moral compass is exactly aligned with the rest of the world.

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I think it is how they show their side of being neutral. If they put sanctions on Russia, Putin will have a bad impression on them so they remain silent about it. Other countries too are like that, if they see China put sanctions and they don't, it's as if they are contradicting they idea ang giving their country bad impression to China, especially countries in SEA, which has current disputes on China. In case a WW3 breaks out, their friendly moves would bring a factor that they won't be a target andthey could go with other solution like diplomacy. It is just my opinion and if a Great leader loves his fellow citizens, he would do everything just let them survive, and we have that kind of leader.

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Lol sometimes I just feel China is some kind of a weird country. I am yet to fully understand what really led to this attack on Ukraine, haven’t really seen any news site that would break it down and state the actual reason why they are fighting. But whatever the reason may be, I am not the type of person that supports violence in anything, there are better ways I believe, which things can be done.

Anyways, like the White House has said, the E.U and US sanctions would be a big blow to Russia. But, I think they would have been far much dealt with if China should also do the same thing. Anyways, only China wouldn’t be enough, unless other countries happens to do likewise.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on February 26, 2022, 03:57:50 PM

China makes more money by exporting goods all around the world so they never going to announce sanctions to any countries because it is going to affect their economic growth. And China is doing this for very long time with the neighbouring countries so they can't really speak out this is immoral.

^ I like the mindset of the Chinese government they are very practical when it comes to business and make more money on it. We never know that the Chinese government also have to deal with Ukraine even though China was close to Russia, as we know that country of China is the main source of all goods all over the world. No wonder China trade normally in Russia because they are an allied country but China was not showing it because they are in business and trading goods is one of the sources of their economic growth. Just my opinion only.

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China makes more money by exporting goods all around the world so they never going to announce sanctions to any countries because it is going to affect their economic growth. And China is doing this for very long time with the neighbouring countries so they can't really speak out this is immoral.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on February 26, 2022, 02:45:47 PM

China not stopping trading with Russia is not a surprise all that much. Actually, what surprised me was that China withheld its content for Russia, staying basically neutral regarding a UN condemnation, and that actually speaks volumes on that China will not have Russia's back. But with 50% of Russia's GDP coming from trading with Europe, continuous trading with China will not change all that much in the end. It would have been better, yes, but it won't really save Russia.

Chinese banks also imposes some restrictions against Russia but not that much, they remain neutral since China also have dealings with Ukraine and seriously, they are also afraid for the western sanctions so they can’t fully support Russia on their decision to declare war with Ukraine. China also need Russia because as far as I know, they are also suffering for some sanctions and they have to be more friendly with Russia so they can get the supplies they needed, they just can’t afford to intervene especially about the war.

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China not stopping trading with Russia is not a surprise all that much. Actually, what surprised me was that China withheld its content for Russia, staying basically neutral regarding a UN condemnation, and that actually speaks volumes on that China will not have Russia's back. But with 50% of Russia's GDP coming from trading with Europe, continuous trading with China will not change all that much in the end. It would have been better, yes, but it won't really save Russia.

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China is not a part of the Western world, and it's strong and powerful enough to make its own decisions during the ongoing Russian invasion. Russia and China has a largely friendly relationship, both countries being rules by dictators who've been in power for a while. So I'm not surprised that it's ready to keep trading with Russia because it's in China's economic interests. It will help Russia a bit, but I do believe that it won't be enough for Russia not to take a big hit from sanctions and the ongoing war (because the war costs lots of money as well). The Western world will also suffer from sanctions, as Biden warned even prior to the invasion, but it's strong enough to hold on.
And apart from sanctions, Western countries are also providing military supplies and immense financial aid to Ukraine.

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Quote from: istiak2277 on February 26, 2022, 12:34:14 PM

One of the largest economy in the world could help to keep stability to Russia's economy? May be this will not be enough but it seems Putin have already planned for it. I saw a data where it shows Russia has 13% of their total reserve in Yuan. They knew a sanction will come so they reduce their dollar reserve to only 16%. A great move from Putin can not deny it.

I think Putin has played smart in the reserve money. I also read Russia has a reserve around $600 ~~million~~ billion worth. They have grown that reserve because of this war and can keep trading with China and other Asian countries. The war may gradually stay longer than expected because Putin is vowing to take over the territory of Ukraine.

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Quote from: pinggoki on February 26, 2022, 11:17:02 AM

Of course they will, they're one of the superpower countries and Russia is their communist ally so I am not surprised.that they're going to be doing anything that's going to hinder their trade with Russia and we all know how bad of a violator China is and how many times they've backed out on their word so we should never count them out in any other way as a country that wants to end this war.

We will never doubt it because Russia and China are communist allied countries and they would probably have each others back whenever one of them needed support. These two countries has a good relationship which whatever happen we can say that they were both trade normally with each other even after the war. And I guess there's no reason for China to turn back against Russia and if it will happen I don't know what really happening because they are really known having a good friendship.

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One of the largest economy in the world could help to keep stability to Russia's economy? May be this will not be enough but it seems Putin have already planned for it. I saw a data where it shows Russia has 13% of their total reserve in Yuan. They knew a sanction will come so they reduce their dollar reserve to only 16%. A great move from Putin can not deny it.

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Of course they will, they're one of the superpower countries and Russia is their communist ally so I am not surprised.that they're going to be doing anything that's going to hinder their trade with Russia and we all know how bad of a violator China is and how many times they've backed out on their word so we should never count them out in any other way as a country that wants to end this war.

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Quote from: Similificator on February 26, 2022, 08:29:22 AM

Too bad Ukraine failed to notice or just ignored the fact that they are being used just for a bit of short-term benefits.

The war has finally happened and it's not that simple for all the plots going on. The two-sided media war, the more visible the fake faces are, the geopolitics is disgusting. People can see or side with the "media war" spreading false or covering up, but I think that going to the previous step of non-negotiation is a "reason" that has been planned. available and neither side is "innocent" - they made war
China is being too good a front for Russia and it will be of great "benefit" to Russia's support in the South China Sea. Today they announced that they will exercise in the South China Sea for the next 3 days, the war situation is "expanding" after the Russian attack Ukraina.
* No one is naive in this war.*

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Quote from: Similificator on February 26, 2022, 08:29:22 AM

- The pitiful Ukraine and it's people got dragged along with the schemes of the US and got left hanging. US has been provoking Russia time and time again with their schemes. Too bad Ukraine failed to notice or just ignored the fact that they are being used just for a bit of short-term benefits.

I hope this thing doesn't turn out bad for the world to lead to WW3 because now pity has start to go the way of Ukraine like Russia is being a bully on them and dozens of countries have indicated interest to support Ukraine with some fighting material like anti tanks and other aids like medical support. I think Russia may misinterpret this in time to come to attack one of the supporting countries.

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Quote from: ultrloa on February 26, 2022, 09:34:53 AM

Quote from: hyudien on February 26, 2022, 09:24:16 AM

The cold hostility of the two great powers has existed for a long time between the US and China. Here, of course, China will continue to push for full power for Russia both in terms of economy, politics, and terms military weapons. Nothing more and nothing less Russia position cannot be easy for the US to subdue or easy to dictate. The US is currently only playing it safe with European countries, especially Russia, as a part of the Soviet Union, which is still a strong reason to invade to defend its sovereignty.

They cannot do anything as Russia is also a powerful country and look what happen to their threat It didn't work Putin still intact with his main objective then putting pressure towards other country who will interfere his plan. And look what happen US didn't plan to attack and thet just let Ukraine alone to defend theirselves. I guess its time for US allies to wake up since they cannot earn back anything in situation like this since US will just wash their hands and will not get involve in terms of physical support.

IMO, NATO countries will not interfere in Ukraine's affairs because if they take the wrong actions, there is a risk of a third world war occurring. From the conferences I watched, Putin also threatened foreign countries not to interfere, because if they did, Putin would not hesitate to take more action than they did against Ukraine.

So far, what NATO countries have taken is a discussion path between the two countries to make peace. As usual, the Ukrainian president insisted on asking the NATO parliament for assistance in sending aid. Once again the UK also reminded that once you take reckless actions and show military assistance to Ukraine, there is a big risk of being beaten by the drums of war by Russia. We all know that Putin's character is not easily dictated by other countries. Moreover, allied with China, the business will be longer.

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Quote from: hyudien on February 26, 2022, 09:24:16 AM

Quote from: mobilestrike on February 26, 2022, 07:02:21 AM

Actually China do not have good relations with USA and they do not agree on any call from the USA. Because the sanctions started from USA and they called their allies to follow so China is not showing themselves as the allies of USA.

The cold hostility of the two great powers has existed for a long time between the US and China. Here, of course, China will continue to push for full power for Russia both in terms of economy, politics, and terms military weapons. Nothing more and nothing less Russia position cannot be easy for the US to subdue or easy to dictate. The US is currently only playing it safe with European countries, especially Russia, as a part of the Soviet Union, which is still a strong reason to invade to defend its sovereignty.

They cannot do anything as Russia is also a powerful country and look what happen to their threat It didn't work Putin still intact with his main objective then putting pressure towards other country who will interfere his plan. And look what happen US didn't plan to attack and thet just let Ukraine alone to defend theirselves. I guess its time for US allies to wake up since they cannot earn back anything in situation like this since US will just wash their hands and will not get involve in terms of physical support.

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