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China makes more money by exporting goods all around the world so they never going to announce sanctions to any countries because it is going to affect their economic growth. And China is doing this for very long time with the neighbouring countries so they can't really speak out this is immoral.

Yes, China will never announce sanction to any countries of the world because they want more countries to know more about their quality products. China will use this opportunity to make more money from Russian because some of the products Russian are using are from China, that is the reason why China will not allow anything to happen to their own economy. China has made a lot of income from Russian that will make them not to stop supplying goods to Russian at this point of crisis between Russian and Ukraine. Russian will continue to enjoy from China in the areas of making goods available for Russian in this war between Russian and Ukraine that is going on their country.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on February 27, 2022, 11:51:55 AM

Coz China currently have no problems with Russia, there's really no reason for it to stop trading. In fact, China might benefit from this arrangement. Sanctions would basically push Russia towards China, same way that North Korea ended up. NoKor basically dump their raw goods for cheap on China coz they can't sell it to anyone else.

And what is the EU and NATO going to do to China anyway? It's not like they'd sanction it too just for continuing what it has always done.

hostility from the US must be very well-liked by China. Russia is one of the countries that have the largest gas and oil reserves in the world, and they also have a lot of gold as reserves. relations between communist countries (China-Russia-NorthKorea) have been very good so far. With great support from China, I believe the EU can do nothing, let alone impose sanctions on China.

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I would guess that they would probably get away with being friends with Russia at this point. Why? Because nobody thinks China is the good guy neither, everyone is trying to move their manufacturing somewhere else nowadays, Apple already started some factories in other nations as well. India is right there, and they are the nicest people I met, I could easily say that if you moved every single financial power China has, and moved that to India, the whole world would be a lot better.

It could be some other nation as well, the main point is always "not some nation as rich as Europe so that they could pay less for workers" which is unfair and sad but the reality of life. China already gets a ton of hate, they literally got away with genocide for Christ sake and people are still doing business with them in the name of cheap labor, so I would guess that China could side with Russia and nothing would happen.

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"Normally" here doesn't mean that they will support them. It means that if Russia is out of swift and out of everything else and can't trade with anyone in the west, then China expected to jump in and close the difference. However, they are not supporting them right now hence the "normal" trade, meaning they will just keep on doing business as usual instead of putting too much money and resources into Russia.

It was also a big warning sign for China as well, military-wise they could take Taiwan and even some other places, but that would result with west destroying their economy and economy is all China got right now and would be terrible for them, can't handle another famine.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on February 28, 2022, 09:39:36 AM

I think it was disastrous but that the US got yeeted out of Afghanistan was a blessing for them. They wouldn't be able to fight to preserve both Europe and Taiwan. I think China would wait until Russia breaks out of Ukraine into say, Poland, before it will attack Taiwan. That way the US would be stretched thin. It does heavylifting in NATO and in Asia its only partner that would fight to help defend Taiwan would be Japan.

Talking about the US and Afghanistan, the answer is that the US has suffered heavy losses and has produced nothing. What remains are only innocent victims, launching accusations from Western Intelligence who for years turned out to be gravely mistaken by disappointing information. That's the reason the US withdrew and had no intention of going to war against Afghanistan.
As we know at this time, NATO is still carrying out normal actions, namely guarding the borders of NATO countries. It means waiting for Russia to fish or indeed waiting to be provoked. Despite all that, I keep my ears open and hope that Ukraine will return soon under better conditions. There is still a peaceful path if you don't want any more victims to die in vain for following the selfishness of the two presidents. Regarding China, they will also invade Taiwan, the information is like that and it will definitely not be far from what Russia is doing.

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Quote from: Sterbens on February 27, 2022, 12:55:25 PM

Quote from: Mometaskers on February 27, 2022, 11:51:55 AM

Coz China currently have no problems with Russia, there's really no reason for it to stop trading. In fact, China might benefit from this arrangement. Sanctions would basically push Russia towards China, same way that North Korea ended up. NoKor basically dump their raw goods for cheap on China coz they can't sell it to anyone else.

And what is the EU and NATO going to do to China anyway? It's not like they'd sanction it too just for continuing what it has always done.

China and Russia are allies who both want to strangle the US little by little. See what sectors Russia wants to re-establish? The Soviet Union seemed about to be awakened from its long slumber. Not necessarily Russia's sovereignty is supported by China because it does have the same goal. Where Russia invades Ukraine and China will invade Taiwan in the very near future. Depending on how Russia's position is now unstoppable, even NATO doesn't really want to go any further in Russia and Ukraine.

The trade war has been running since the era of world war 2 ended and that's when China built big aggression to conquer the US. What do we see? The US is too follow-up for now under Biden.

I think it was disastrous but that the US got yeeted out of Afghanistan was a blessing for them. They wouldn't be able to fight to preserve both Europe and Taiwan. I think China would wait until Russia breaks out of Ukraine into say, Poland, before it will attack Taiwan. That way the US would be stretched thin. It does heavylifting in NATO and in Asia its only partner that would fight to help defend Taiwan would be Japan.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on February 27, 2022, 02:53:35 PM

china is lika a big nice grandmother, if putin does everything right he gets armies from her.

the west will not be able to convince china and india that putin is Hitler.
but putin might convince that zelinski is Hitler, by doing nothing

Now the entire civilized world is finally uniting around European moral values and is providing Ukraine with good military and financial support. Given the high patriotism of Ukrainians and the eight-year experience of the war with Russia, during the four days of the war, the Ukrainians destroyed about 5,300 invaders, 191 tanks, 29 combat aircraft, 29 attack helicopters, 816 armored vehicles, 74 cannons, 21 Grad multiple launch rocket systems, 291 vehicles.
The whole world saw that the great and invincible Russia could lose to a relatively small Ukraine, as the Ukrainians defend their land and their families, and the Russian soldiers for the most part do not know what they are doing on foreign territory.
Seeing how other states react to Russia's bandit attack on Ukraine, China did not dare to openly support Putin. In addition, international sanctions also had a significant impact on this position. Therefore, China is reducing trade relations with Russia and even refusing Russian oil, due to the uncertainty in mutual settlements. Currently, only two of China's largest banks are allowed to maintain financial relations, and contractual trade relations with Russia in each case will have to be approved at the highest political level of China.

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Quote from: fiulpro on February 27, 2022, 02:12:04 PM

Ofcourse they will say that .

1. They already talked with Russian President about everything, made a deal and kept things better for both parties

2. They want to attack Taiwan and other than that, the Russian president wants to attack Ukraine so their sick mentality finally found a place together

3. They know WW3 might start if the already deranged Putin blows up Nuclear bombs and they want to keep Russia as allies

China is just observing right now, but they want to wage war with Taiwan for so long already because they are not recognizing the freedom of Taiwan. They have the same mentality with Putin, the reason why they are not affected with Putin's decision of going to war with Ukraine. I have the feeling that China is just looking for small reasons and they will go to war with Taiwan. WW3 is imminent because of these officials that are egocentric individuals.

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china is lika a big nice grandmother, if putin does everything right he gets armies from her.

the west will not be able to convince china and india that putin is Hitler.
but putin might convince that zelinski is Hitler, by doing nothing

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Quote from: fiulpro on February 27, 2022, 02:12:04 PM

Ofcourse they will say that .

1. They already talked with Russian President about everything, made a deal and kept things better for both parties

2. They want to attack Taiwan and other than that, the Russian president wants to attack Ukraine so their sick mentality finally found a place together

3. They know WW3 might start if the already deranged Putin blows up Nuclear bombs and they want to keep Russia as allies

It's because China knows what Russia want and choose not to interfere because they are most likely have the same goal or they will benefit with this war. And trading with Russia will give them more profit when the war started and all of this happening is because Russia don't want to give up Ukraine to the NATO(US) since they were most likely going to join NATO instead of getting back to Soviet Union. It's all in their history why Putin just acted like that. Plus if Russia going to lose Ukraine then NATO is just getting closer to their territory.

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Ofcourse they will say that .

1. They already talked with Russian President about everything, made a deal and kept things better for both parties

2. They want to attack Taiwan and other than that, the Russian president wants to attack Ukraine so their sick mentality finally found a place together

3. They know WW3 might start if the already deranged Putin blows up Nuclear bombs and they want to keep Russia as allies

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on February 26, 2022, 05:47:14 PM

I like the mindset of the Chinese government they are very practical when it comes to business and make more money on it. We never know that the Chinese government also have to deal with Ukraine even though China was close to Russia, as we know that country of China is the main source of all goods all over the world. No wonder China trade normally in Russia because they are an allied country but China was not showing it because they are in business and trading goods is one of the sources of their economic growth. Just my opinion only.

Even though we don't know the deal between Ukraine and china but I guess China is treating it the same as they treat Russia and other countries. They think about their business and won't do any bad thing that will affect it but china as the main source of other countries? No I don't think so because every country has their specialty or there are only specific goods that can be found here but not on the other.

Even if china won't show their closeness with Russia, we can still figure it out because there are witnesses and they can spread the information that they see between these two countries online. They can't keep it a secret.

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Quote from: Coyster on February 26, 2022, 05:07:23 AM

From the above, it does not look like China has any intentions of joining the mass in imposing sanctions on Russia for invading Ukraine a couple of days ago. If China takes this direction, wouldn't it also encourage other countries to do likewise

Its because China also has the intention of 'invading' or taking back Taiwan so it would feel funny to impose sanctions on Russia for invading Ukraine when they will do the same thing in the near future. Aside from that, China mostly do the opposite of what the US and europe do just to show that they have the supremacy to do so

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on February 27, 2022, 03:19:54 AM

Russian is like a big brother to Ukraine, they can settle this if Ukraine wasn't trying to suck NATO's ass.

Both Russia and NATO ( US ) are sly dogs that wants something from Ukraine. This could have taken the other way around instead of going for the war option

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on February 27, 2022, 03:19:54 AM

Russian are just reacting out of paranoid because if they were to lose Ukraine to the NATO then that'll mean they'll be having military personnel and equipment from their enemies inches away from their country which isn't safe.

The fact is that even if they occupied Ukraine somehow, they will be inches away from NATO as well because they will need to relocate some of their military to safe guard the occupied area otherwise it would be taken back

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Quote from: Findingnemo on February 26, 2022, 04:57:50 PM

China makes more money by exporting goods all around the world so they never going to announce sanctions to any countries because it is going to affect their economic growth. And China is doing this for very long time with the neighbouring countries so they can't really speak out this is immoral.

I definitely agree with your statement.

With China being the number one country for exporting not only products but also manpower, I doubt that countries would impose sanctions as they also benefit from this country. With manpower and labor relatively cheap for doing business, countries around the world rely on China in assembling their products or doing labor for the production of their goods.

China has all the power to at least trade normally with Russia as they are confident enough to understand that other countries need them also.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on February 27, 2022, 11:51:55 AM

Coz China currently have no problems with Russia, there's really no reason for it to stop trading. In fact, China might benefit from this arrangement. Sanctions would basically push Russia towards China, same way that North Korea ended up. NoKor basically dump their raw goods for cheap on China coz they can't sell it to anyone else.

And what is the EU and NATO going to do to China anyway? It's not like they'd sanction it too just for continuing what it has always done.

China and Russia are allies who both want to strangle the US little by little. See what sectors Russia wants to re-establish? The Soviet Union seemed about to be awakened from its long slumber. Not necessarily Russia's sovereignty is supported by China because it does have the same goal. Where Russia invades Ukraine and China will invade Taiwan in the very near future. Depending on how Russia's position is now unstoppable, even NATO doesn't really want to go any further in Russia and Ukraine.

The trade war has been running since the era of world war 2 ended and that's when China built big aggression to conquer the US. What do we see? The US is too follow-up for now under Biden.

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Coz China currently have no problems with Russia, there's really no reason for it to stop trading. In fact, China might benefit from this arrangement. Sanctions would basically push Russia towards China, same way that North Korea ended up. NoKor basically dump their raw goods for cheap on China coz they can't sell it to anyone else.

And what is the EU and NATO going to do to China anyway? It's not like they'd sanction it too just for continuing what it has always done.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on February 26, 2022, 05:47:14 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on February 26, 2022, 04:57:50 PM

China makes more money by exporting goods all around the world so they never going to announce sanctions to any countries because it is going to affect their economic growth. And China is doing this for very long time with the neighbouring countries so they can't really speak out this is immoral.

^ I like the mindset of the Chinese government they are very practical when it comes to business and make more money on it. We never know that the Chinese government also have to deal with Ukraine even though China was close to Russia, as we know that country of China is the main source of all goods all over the world. No wonder China trade normally in Russia because they are an allied country but China was not showing it because they are in business and trading goods is one of the sources of their economic growth. Just my opinion only.

They seems to be neutral even though they are on the side of Russia and they are going to trade with everyone since they can make more money by doing it. Meanwhile if the war continues for long then this will be the spark of third world war if I am not wrong and probably the beginning of human extinction since we all have nuclear weapons.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on February 27, 2022, 10:41:22 AM

Quote from: TheNineClub on February 26, 2022, 03:45:47 PM

China not stopping trading with Russia is not a surprise all that much. Actually, what surprised me was that China withheld its content for Russia, staying basically neutral regarding a UN condemnation, and that actually speaks volumes on that China will not have Russia's back. But with 50% of Russia's GDP coming from trading with Europe, continuous trading with China will not change all that much in the end. It would have been better, yes, but it won't really save Russia.

China is doing so for their economy I guess, they would rather stay neutral and maintain their business since they are mainly into exportation which is a big source for their economy.

But, china buying wheat from Russia is not enough, other countries that makes the most order has decided to cut them off, so that would definitely make a better impact in their GDP, than whatever impact china would make from their import. Remember that it is not just only Europe, but the US as well, and there are also others and more to come, so it is just a matter of time before they begin to feel the heat.

China will make business whoever makes things convenient to them. When Trump sanctioned China in thier trade war, they also felt the negative effect but thier businesses with other countries still go on, particularly with Russia. The sanctions made these countries more resilient and found ways to be sanctioned proof. They didn't change thier system of doing business.

Sanctions hurt thier economy for a while after that, they get used to it and find ways. Like when we were kids that got grounded but after it, we as kids found ways not to get caught again.

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Trading normally would be something okay, nobody expects them to have sanctions. As long as China is not overtly and openly supporting Russia and their claims on Ukraine, there is no problem in this situation. I am quite happy that China (which I despise normally) do not really approach this situation as a way to "stick it to west". They love to do that, they keep talking about how much they hate Americans and Europeans, and so does the politicians on the other side do it to Chinese, and then they make deals and have trades because billionaires need each other.

In order for the rich people to make money, they need to build stuff in China and sell in the west. So, China needs to keep it kosher with west, but also show no disconnect with Russia as well.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on February 26, 2022, 03:45:47 PM

China not stopping trading with Russia is not a surprise all that much. Actually, what surprised me was that China withheld its content for Russia, staying basically neutral regarding a UN condemnation, and that actually speaks volumes on that China will not have Russia's back. But with 50% of Russia's GDP coming from trading with Europe, continuous trading with China will not change all that much in the end. It would have been better, yes, but it won't really save Russia.

China is doing so for their economy I guess, they would rather stay neutral and maintain their business since they are mainly into exportation which is a big source for their economy.

But, china buying wheat from Russia is not enough, other countries that makes the most order has decided to cut them off, so that would definitely make a better impact in their GDP, than whatever impact china would make from their import. Remember that it is not just only Europe, but the US as well, and there are also others and more to come, so it is just a matter of time before they begin to feel the heat.

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