Topic: chinese bookmakers with tf gaming platform NO KYC - page 13. (Read 3309 times)

That's right, the use of a VPN in some casinos can make the account locked and even banned. especially if it is detected using the same IP with several other accounts. it would violate the rules of some crypto casinos.
Chinese government regulations regarding crypto also seem to restrict gamblers from that country from playing at crypto casinos.

related to your advice (moonbet) seems good to try. Currently, it seems that a casino is developing that can be directly connected to a wallet. without having to register and KYC first. some gamblers may see being anonymous as helpful. but partly, of course, think about security.

Advantage with casino gambling without adapting with KYC to hidden gambler or costumer identity, some countries not allowed for their people joining in several gambling casino and restrict by casino gambling not giving access some countries, I think used VPN give bad impact and have lower safety account depending with Term of Service some casino not allow used VPN. Chinese looks not really friendly country actually with cryptocurrency gambling because almost have several ICO sale always not allowed investor from China. Maybe for recommended gambling platform could try with moonbet without need KYC for deposit and withdrawing.

I think that the people of China are at great risk if they try to gamble while in China and using a VPN.  I would never do that, given the harsh laws of this country for violators - gamblers.  And if a Chinese is in other countries, plays in a casino without KYC and possibly even without a VPN, then there are no problems.  Without KYC, no one will know the nationality of the player.  But in general, of course, you need to take into account the risk of unexpected KYC when withdrawing a deposit.  This can of course be an annoying problem.  
But in general, I feel sorry that such a huge country is deprived of the opportunity to play in the casino.

Well there are many things, but what you say is true, in fact, in many platforms that are not casinos, there is a lot of data leakage, the more data is hidden, that is already put into a system, whether you like it or not, it is Thus, it is so much that privacy and anonymity remained to be seen since the time that Snowde undressed the entire US government system, so this is something that they either want or do not want, even if the best of all protocols is used in the same way that data is already filtered, nothing more than a person from South America if he asks for an American visa, the Americans, they know what sites they frequent on the internet and they know all aspects of the person's life, not to mention the Chinese, and that system is using at least for something very good, which is to expose pedophiles, that way they have captured them, another thing is that they do not reveal one of the ways to do it, if so, what is left for the casinos?

Yes, there is no other way, in fact it is, but here the Chinese citizens have some options, the Chinese government I have seen that they do a lot of tracking and have a great control, despite the fact that in China they have the largest number of world population, so I think that these things can complicate a certain control, because it is difficult to take into account 1 Chinese among many, that is like looking for a needle in a haystack, a Chinese citizen can play in a casino, suppose he uses VPN, and he is in a country close to China, if he is detected and he alleges that he was in that country, how is it done? and if the Chinese citizen traveled and played in a casino, then how does he do? Those are the things for which there is a vulnerability with Chinese controls and that a citizen can take advantage of in his favor.

Here the OP raises the issue of gambling platforms without KYC for Chinese citizens is rather related to the fact that gambling is prohibited by law in China and a player who has passed KYC primarily risks his freedom, so you have to prioritize one way or another: do you risk only money or risk your freedom, the choice is obvious, as it seems to me.

You clearly mentioned that non-KYC casinos being suspected as scam is normal which is why you need to rephrase your words properly since non-KYC casinos being suspected during their initial stages just because of no KYC makes zero sense.

Many popular crypto gambling sites like Stake, Roobet etc never enforced KYC initially and made it mandatory later on. Think!

Read and understand my comments, suspected as a scam and a scam is too different thing. You just quote the phrase without understanding the supporting phrase/details.

So you expect people who call a non-KYC casino automatically a legit site is normal? It sounds abnormal to me. People use instincts and suspect things first, and being suspicious saves them from harm.

And no one said non-KYC casino are scam, they are assumed scam, its too different thing. They are assumed usually when they don't have any reputation yet.
Besides im not against a non-KYC casino in fact im against of normalizing KYC required casinos.

We understand the concerns of gamblers if they have to complete the KYC in the casino, but because of the rules that emphasize the casino team for KYC and have the potential to even lose some of its users because of the KYC obligation rules. But not all users agree with the casino without KYC because they do not always provide fair games, low data security and anonymous casino team whose founders can't verified, so it also has a high risk due to the casino still illegal status.

But then even though there is possible misrepresentation if the data supplied for KYC get into the wrong hands, the remain that if your data is used to scam another person there will still be other evidence that can vindicate you as a victim of identity theft. I know the issue of KYC is not all that advisable due to the many disadvantages of giving your data to a third party even though cryptocurrency gave us some level of privacy but because of law enforcement, we are asked to go through KYC before accessing some features on some platforms. But if one can have a bookmaker that does not require KYC it will be better and less risky to use such decentralized and none KYC sites.

Wrong. There are many non-KYC casinos that are completely reliable which is why automatically assuming that they are scams is abnormal.

Wrong. I have no idea where you got those figures from. Around 60% are comfortable providing KYC while the remaining 40% which includes me aren't comfortable providing their KYC unless absolutely necessary.

You are right, what happens is that sometimes these platforms, both casinos and exchanges, require KYC for additional benefits, in 2018 I think that Binance still did not require a fully mandatory KYC, but I had a problem and I really needed the support of them so that I could have my coins in my wallet, and if I escalated my case and they told me that I had to complete a KYC to be able to have access to it and that my funds were restored, I felt that they were taking advantage of the situation, well no I had no choice but to do so and be able to accept those conditions, because I was not going to lose money, so they look for ways to force people in a very particular and diplomatic way, it is not surprising that government entities also treat casinos Similary.

The greatest danger that people run is what you say, that this data can be leaked and can tempt against our homes, but currently that is already a risk that everyone wants to take, as I have said on other occasions, it will be very difficult to save the anonymity and privacy, data and everything related to people there will no longer be such a right, then there will come a time when these data no longer matter to people, I think this is something that many should already be taking into account, our data can leak even from the banks themselves, the big thefts come from those data provided by the same entities that work there.


Yes, you are right, phishing attacks are easy to see when the person has a little knowledge about URLs and some computer networks, while there are many people who do fall, one option that they used a lot was through the Internet. google searches, Well, they put the same URL but in the form of advertising, so a person who does not have much experience in managing the Internet can completely fall for a scam, so these things must be emphasized, and it is incredible, but even people despite all the information and all the precautions that are taken, continue to fall. The case of pshishing is very extensive, and more so when it comes to casinos, crypto.

Phishing attacks are I think easier to avoid. There are signs to know them like if the site has a weird url or a typo than the original site you are going to visit then that's an example of a phishing attempt. Physical attackers on the other hand are unavoidable because you will be attacked directly and threatened that if you don't obey on what they want you will get hurt.

I think when that scenarios occur, it's better if you can just surrender your stuff as life is more important. We can still be able to report them later on and clear out our names if our identity or kyc is misused. @the OP, have you checked the Chinese boards here? Since what you are looking for is a Chinese website.

All I could think about how KYC is very dangerous is that hackers can provide the data for other attackers in a way they can physically rob the victim. This is very possible which might even be happening. Another is the phishing attack which is very common. Another is the selling of the data which can be used in what you are talking about above. But as for this to lead to a case that the innocent person to be seen as a criminal of the offense he did not commit is what I do not know much about as I haven't heard about such cases before, but better to protect oneself from these kind of attack. But how? Most people are doing KYC. 90% or more people are doing KYC, only few people are not.

It seems you didn't get what it's about. If the data is leaked or the hacker is able to get the data then you don't know what they will do with the data. They could sell the data to criminals or they use it for criminal activities. If that happens then it is called identity theft. That's why it is worse than getting robbed since they only take your things, money and you won't face any criminal record for that. Don't know why you didn't think that there's a possibility that the leaked data will be used for criminal acts. That's what it's all about and what it's called that PX-Z explained why it's worse than getting robbed.

It's not all about receiving lots of phishing/spam emails or sms.
Worst case is your name is being used in any criminal act such as swindling or estafa, or simply identity thief. Since most of these leaked information are the one that is needed to apply in different agencies/stores/etc. which include your name, IDs, address, birthday, phone number, etc. These criminal acts can be applying a loan ^{(this is common)} in both private and government agencies, use your driver's license info and get road offense ^{(there are incidents like this too)}, you can be a victim of sms cloning using your info, then getting robbed again, and many more possible cases which will end up destroying your reputation.

It will be too late the time you discover that your name is used and labeled as criminal in the investigation bureau. And this will bring someone's life in misery, possible will end up being in debt. This cost you more than anything than those amount that got hacked from your exchange or casino balance's account.

^ For me, it depends on the gambling casino that how many years in service it should be trusted, the longer years they are in service the more they are trusted even Chinese bookmakers will not impose a KYC procedure on their customers. Probably KYC is not safe at all but let us accept the fact that nowadays every platform is now open for KYC especially if it is a centralized platform that is under control by the government too. So KYC is not a problem for me, as long as the casino is trusted, I won't hesitate to submit KYC.

Being anonymous is indeed quite difficult these days, because the rate at which terrorism, kidnapping, and other related crimes physically happening around us is a cause for concern, hence, the need to know the next person; be it online or offline.
This KYC which seems to be a trendy topic these days is more for benefit of the company/casino/cryptocurrency than it is for us the users. It is an online security company that serves the legal function of getting to know the how, why, and when of new or existing users of a site. It is not an assurance that one's account can't be hacked or details such as location info, sites visited, pictures and even documents of any kind one may have kept in private folders can be kept private.
One might assume the Chinese bookmakers with a tf gambling platform and no KYC verification to be a better option, but would it not rather be legit to verify with a known platform, than risk your hard-earned currency just to get an experience for anonymity's sake? Unless one has other agendas or a laundering mindset, or for any unholy reason for which KYC stands to fish out, then there really shouldn't be issues with being verified.

It's normal, non-KYC casinos are being suspected as a scam is normal. Every gambling website before faced that reality before when KYC is not a thing. But as long as they have friendly approach and active answering question to the community like every old casino/gambling websites do, then eventually a reputation will be build.

And as for your opinion about anonymity, then it's really up to you. Many people still prioritize their privacy/anonymity than taking KYC in any level.
Again, privacy leakage is scary and its more scary than getting robbed. You can earn and save money but your leaked personal information will be in any database forever. Well, being a victim of identity thief is even scarier and will cost your life than just your money. That is why talking like anonymity is a crime is a whole new level of BS to me.

What could be so worse than getting robbed? But I understood what you are talking about. KYC is extremely dangerous, that is true. If the data is leaked and hackers know about it, no one knows who could be the victims of a phishing attack, even if someone is able to avoid those types of online attackers, how about physical attackers. You are not wrong.

People should know that KYC does not mean safety nor guarantee security, only the advantage is that if someone have access to its email and forgot his or her password, he can be able to easily reset its password and be able to have access to its account.

Well there is something that must be understood, nope just here in several threads Ann is actively talking about KYC things, this is like a trend, everyone wants to be without KYC and continue enjoying the benefits, but what guarantees does a site give us? that does not require KYC? If there is no KYC it means that it lacks some licenses, and I have seen users who are very radical when a casino does not have its licenses in order because they lack authenticity, so when you get casinos without KYC you have to be careful, sometimes You have to be careful even with what you ask for, because there are licenses that require even some countries to be prohibited.


Well, in part you are right, the only thing is that when these conditions are met there is more reason to claim in the face of any eventuality, if a player is with everything in order it is easier to claim and have a voice and a vote in his petition, however today in day, the fact of having KYC is demanding that verification a lot.

When there is a casino that does not require KYC because it simply has something that is missing, and in general it is a type of license and that does not give it authenticity for which they would begin to criticize, there is something that everyone must accept and that is that privacy and anonymity will go away little by little, nobody will have their anonymity, it will become a crime for those who want to be anonymous and not be registered in a system.