Topic: chinese bookmakers with tf gaming platform NO KYC - page 2. (Read 3309 times)

Wait a minute, so in China, the only places where gambling gets a green light are Macau and Hong Kong? That's like betting it all on a single hand! Guess that means you should be wary of any Chinese casino outside these two locales. You'd be playing a risky game of financial Russian roulette.

Here's a fun fact: the gambling scene in China has its origins in the 7th-century Tang Dynasty. Imagine more than a thousand years of placing bets on everything from card games to cricket showdowns. Despite China's iron-fisted laws, the folks there still find ways to indulge in their gambling habits. It's like they're proclaiming, "You can limit our liberty, but our love for blackjack remains untouchable!"

I saw news on TV that in China only in Macau and Hong Kong and that gambling is allowed, in other places in China gambling is not allowed and doing a little google research on this fact I found that it is true, that's why any casino in china that is not located in macau or hong kong so people better stay away because they are illegal casinos and in china laws are very harsh against people, i would not be surprised if in china law they condemn people only bigger because the person was caught playing in the illegal casino

if there is something that people should fear and the government of china, in china freedoms are very limited and breaking the laws is something that people should avoid at all costs so that they do not lose what little freedom they have. i would not play in any casino that was located in china even if the casino said that it is a legal casino i would not use the casino because the chinese government has a lot of technology and their laws are heavy and do not have any mercy

Even though he has to sacrifice his anonymity to be able to withdraw all the money from his big win, most gamblers will certainly do so and after withdrawing the money he will probably move to another casino and start playing with a new place.
Yes, indeed you can make withdrawals with a minimum amount in a row to avoid KYC.
But it seems like this will make someone get suspicion from the casino because after a big win he withdraws small amounts consistently so maybe the casino can freeze the balance and still ask to provide KYC.
Keep in mind friends that the casino team is smarter and more experienced than a gambler.

And that position would be a pain in the ass for one who maintained his anonymity to eat or die. LOL
There are things that have to be sacrificed if you get a big win, even if you hate the KYC conditions that apply to a certain minimum withdrawal amount, you may be forced to choose to let your winnings or do KYC to be able to withdraw the winnings.
But maybe there are other alternative withdrawal methods for people who maintain their anonymity, for example like making a minimum withdrawal amount or the withdrawal requirement limit must be KYC which does not require KYC, and if you want to withdraw big winnings it may require daily consecutive withdrawals, I think it is a solution even though it is enough to make you busy and eat up a lot of fees.

I know what you mean and I really respect the opinion that you have conveyed because the choice not to give KYC to the casino is your full right, friend.
But if you get a big win and the casino asks you to provide KYC so you can withdraw the winnings it's not exactly a difficulty for you where you have to choose between maintaining anonymity in a crypto casino or taking all your winnings but with KYC.
Personally, if the winnings are big enough and commensurate, then giving KYC for that amount of money is not a loss for me.
But it's true what you say that the unreasonable rules set on cryptocurrency casinos who initially say they are non KYC.

And I will object because KYC almost always brings inconvenience to those who are going to gamble using cryptocurrency.  
And yes!  
Sudden KYC, when a player wants to withdraw the money won, also in cryptocurrency, by the way, is always an unpleasant surprise because a person’s joy from winning can quickly turn into even greater and more unpleasant disappointment if the player did not plan or simply cannot disclose his personal data to the casino.  This is no longer a win, but a loss of the “winner”, because he will continue to play (after all, money cannot be withdrawn from the deposit without KYC, and he cannot pass KYC!) and will most likely lose all this winnings.  
It turns out some kind of senseless garbage in such a game in a crypto casino.

Now that's the problem because every gambler, even though they don't like KYC and uses a minimum amount to deposit or withdraw, they chase big wins.
If they manage to get a big enough win, they will automatically be asked by KYC to withdraw the winning money.
So I actually have the assumption that avoiding KYC is a difficulty in the future.
If KYC is really needed and can really provide convenience, I won't mind as long as the casino I use has a good reputation and can be trusted.

With the implementation of the digital Yuan in China provably people there does not even need to go through any further KYC process, since the government already knows everything about your through the massive surveillance they have and the use of their centralized wallet. In general the Chinese Communist Party is not fond of Bitcoin or any other decentralized asset.

So as soon as anyone there signs up in a casino registered in China, both the casino and the government know who you are, what you do and how much of your salary you wager.

I assume that much gambling may subtract social credits from you, by the way.

When talking about a non-kyc casino,the first Thing that comes to my mind is that it is a decentralized casino, and if it is something else, then it must be put as a Possible case study,I know that things in China are very controlled and that Chinese citizens if they are caught doing things that are not legal and that are against government Policy,they get into tremendous Trouble, but the casinos in China that have this, because they do not use the sites and they add Privacy coins and ready?This way you Avoid all the kyc paperwork.

That's a really interesting point of view, I can understand it.

I'm not sure that it's really a tool for mass control (at least now.), in the sense that there is no database that I know of that would centralize the different KYC that people have passed.
They are only used, I mean data like POI POA and EDD/SOF only in case of problems. Otherwise it just stay in stock.

Let's take the example of a French person who does a KYC with Binance, Coinbase, or Nicehash, whatever.
For a French person living in the European Union, his KYC will be processed by Jumio or Idnow, which are the two processors in charge of FRs residing in the European Union.
These two processors do not store the data, the GDPR forbids them to do so. They process the KYC, and give the validation (or not) to the company that pays them for that, in our example the CEX.
It is this said company that will store the KYC information for a maximum of 6 years.
If this same Frenchman does another KYC, but at MEXC website for example, or another CEX, neither Jumio/Idnow, nor MEXC, nor the other CEXs will know that he has already been KYC'd elsewhere. KYC are not centralized and because of that, IMO they are not usable as a tool of control right now.

For me, KYC allows the company to know who it is dealing with, to be sure that you are not listed in a SAR file or wanted by any authorities.
In return, the customer is guaranteed to be treated honestly in theory, because thanks to KYC he can prove that his funds are linked to his identity and it becomes legally complex to seize him without a valid reason.
It's always the same thing, the balance between security and decentralization comes at the cost of losing a little of one or the other.

You mentioned the example of the unlucky guy which has debts or issues with Taxes authority, In this case, I would directly use P2P from a personnal point of view,. KYC is never an absolute necessity for those who oppose it and refuse it.
There is no situation where a KYC is totally mandatory as long as you are able to use P2P systems, but I strongly believe that having a KYC linked to a CEX account, where you don't really do business (only a few buys for example) is a best way to hide yourself. You do your KYC, some small buys, and on the side, if you use Bisq or any P2P solution, autorities will just consider the CEX trades. It is less suspicious than no KYC at all if you are already flagged for some illegal crypto things related or anything. No KYC at all could be a red flag for autorities if you have been flagged in the past, no ?

I think completely differently. 

KYC does not really protect anyone, but is an elementary element of mass control and surveillance of people by controlling their financial condition and financial flows. 
All the data of people who have passed in a particular casino or exchange, or in general on some kind of KYC site, in the end, still end up in a single population database.  Both private and public databases.  And this data is naturally completely at the disposal of special services, the banking sector and other authorized government bodies. 
In the end, KYC is just data that a person gives voluntarily, as a rule, and does not realize that this simply tightens the noose of surveillance and control around his neck in some exceptional and extreme circumstances.  And in the life of people after all, there are all sorts of circumstances.  Including many have to hide from creditors, and such a person is not a criminal at all, but simply an unlucky person.  This is where this damn KYC helps lenders to catch such an unlucky person.  And I repeat - not a criminal and not a scammer at all !!!  And a person who just got into a difficult life situation! 

And what is at least some benefit of KYC for this person?  There is no benefit at all!  Only one harm!!!

Duelbits, roobet, rollbit, etc all use BetBy bookie if im not mistaken. From my limited casino understanding, they provide good offers for casino games such as slots, blackjack, etc, BUT their sportsbook is pretty mediocre. You get limited to 5$ maxbet or lower very quickly, odds are decent-ish, there is a bit of diversity in some sports, live section is also pretty average.

My guess is that people who look for smaller casinos are much more interested in the sportsbook, thats why OP wants to find websites that use the TFGAMING bookie for sports betting. Personally, I believe its one of the easiest bookies to profit from and since he asks for no KYC, he wants to multi-account on a website that offers it.

I'd say its kind of easy to understand why people search for different websites other than safe, reliable casinos out there. Do you think you are more likely to profit from duelbits/betby/pinnacle or 1xbet for example? This only applies to sportsbetting though, I know some of those websites offer an above-average experience on casino games.

Exactly!

Why would you want to look for a casino similar to the one you accuse of scamming?

This is complete nonsense! I don't understand the approach at all.
As you say, if OP is able to come and open a topic here, it means that he is able to do his research on the forum, and legit casinos are not what is missing around here.

OP may be part of the people who demand a regulated and licensed casino security, without wanting to go through KYC. One day people will understand, that in a long term perspective, KYC does not handicap them, but in general means protection for the end user and the casino operator himself.

I still don't understand why newbies come on here looking for trusted online casinos but end up using online casinos with ruined reputations or scam past histories, why are you even trying to use this website called btc365 when there are many good online casinos on this forum? We wear strong online casinos signatures because of people like you, there is DuelBits, Roobet, Rollbit, and many more that give satisfying services to their customers, if KYC verification is what you are trying to avoid well it's not going to favor much because the biggest online casinos ask for KYC verification to keep their business out of trouble from the authorities.

I think that such a method as the gradual withdrawal of small amounts in such a way that it does not pass verification according to the KYC procedure does not guarantee you that the deposit will not be frozen until your identity is clarified.  Surely the casino will pay attention to regular transfers of small amounts to your accounts.  Even if the accounts are different.  And you still may be required to KYC at some point. 

In my opinion, the only way out is only to play with a small deposit - so that even your winnings will be small.  On the other hand, it is certainly not so recklessly and interestingly.  But with such gambling, when the amounts are large and there are a lot of emotions, you still have to reveal your identity through the KYC procedure.

usually gamblers who bet without wanting their KYC use a small budget and minimum bet amount to avoid KYC itself.
because KYC will be requested when gamblers deposit rather large amounts of money or withdraw large amounts that have been determined by the casino.
so gamblers with small stakes and a small budget, they can avoid KYC.
but anyway if the gambler is lucky, sometimes a small bet can get a big win. now at this stage gamblers will definitely still be asked for KYC to be able to withdraw all their winnings.
or in another way, namely withdrawing funds gradually with small amounts to avoid KYC.

by the way bonus what do you mean that requires KYC?

It's true, friends, gamblers want to choose a casino with KYC or a casino without KYC, it's their choice and whatever will happen in the future is because of their current decision.
Maybe most gamblers still can't accept KYC for a number of reasons and other factors but actually those who object to KYC and one day play gambling and have quite a big problem even though the problem can be solved with KYC verification, the gambler will only make it difficult for himself because of a KYC.
Maybe you receive KYC so you can withdraw money when you get a big win but it's different from me who gives KYC because just to get more bonuses in terms of bonuses it only requires completing personal data verification.

In short, having a casino or setting up a business like a casino is not easy at all, it is something that requires a lot of work, apart from all that, what you have to have is money, without money, even if you have the best team in the world and the better ideas, without money things don't work, also a casino could not be launched only based on capitalizing with the money of the players because it is the worst strategy that is going to be done, these things are what should be seen. Personally, having a casino or, failing that, an Exchange is a very good business model, but you must have a lot of money.

yep, of course we bet with small amounts and with small wins we will avoid KYC which always haunts gamblers when they want to withdraw funds from the casino.
because most crypto gamblers, they gamble using crypto with anonymous reasons not to show who we really are especially if we are asked for a street address and a photo of a house, it's very annoying.
but anyway these are still pros and cons about KYC whereas casinos need KYC to detect money laundering but sometimes not reputable casinos sell customer data to black market and this happens a lot.

so to do KYC it's back to each gambler. if they are comfortable doing KYC, so be it. and for gamblers who don't want KYC, they have their reasons.

I myself sometimes do KYC so I can withdraw my big win

This is absolutely the right advice for the average gambler who just likes to relax and play a little, for example, in the evening, coming home from work and after a tiring day at work. 
There is another advantage of playing with small amounts - this advantage lies in the fact that for players who use cryptocurrencies there is no question and no trouble when the casino, which initially did not require verification by the KYC procedure, will no longer require this damned KYC. 
I think many of you, faced with the fact that KYC is required in order, for example, to withdraw winnings to your wallet, would immediately be very upset.  Or even angry.  Well, who wants to spend time on all this nonsense with confirmation that you are a specific person with a passport and living at a specific address.  For example, even captcha always annoys me, not to mention KYC. 

All this is the idiocy of the Internet, and not "protection against fraudsters" or "anti-money laundering".   
All these are fairy tales, invented in order for the masses of ordinary people to think that this is caring for them, although in reality these are all elements of total control over the population.