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Topic: Claymore's ZCash/BTG AMD GPU Miner v12.6 (Windows/Linux) - page 346. (Read 3839163 times)

sr. member
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1070 can do 310 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better...

This has been discussed to death in multiple threads.
AMD == better ROI. If you don't care about about ROI and just want to get the fastest possible hash rate while using the least amount of power, go Nvidia.

Can we move along.
legendary
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EWBF miner 300 h/s 1080 61 C.... total power 73 %

So what...? With the price a 1080 cost I could get 3-4 rx470 so 600 to 800 sols/s  Roll Eyes


1070 can do 300 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better...

AMD is better in terms of $/hash, that's all they have right now until Vega comes out. I don't consider nVidia to be a better option, just too expensive for nothing. They will be easier to resell, though.
legendary
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EWBF miner 300 h/s 1080 61 C.... total power 73 %

So what...? With the price a 1080 cost I could get 3-4 rx470 so 600 to 800 sols/s  Roll Eyes


1070 can do 310 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better...
sr. member
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I get 0.08% rejects with SSL, which is about the same as without.  You are assuming SSL adds a large overhead, it doesn't.
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Or get Google Fiber.
Reject rate and latency heavily depend on your internet link. You are absolutely correct when you have a "Google Fiber". But don't forget that not everyone can get fiber at all, and some people still have to use GPRS (not me).

Answer size is less than packet size
Did you measure it? I did.
In ETH - yes, in ZEC - answer size ranges from 1360 to 1490 bytes per share. It is almost Ethernet frame.

SSL overhead is extremely negligible, you are overly worried. If you don't like SSL, or still think it's slower, though have no actual valid reasons, don't use it.  It is there as an option. No one is forcing you to use it.
I don't use it.
But there are reports even here about long share pings over SSL. It was not me. Probably, not all have Google Fiber :-)

Again, let's talk about facts only, SSL encryptions adds nothing to miners apart the ability to hide t-address they mine to. Still, it does not hide the fact that IP X connects to IP Y port Z, where a pool is located. So IP X does mining. If someone is concerned, they will find a way to get more details. Security by obscurity never was good. Zcash adds an unique option of z-addrs, and this quite solves the issue of privacy. It still does not hide the fact that you mine at pool Y, but there is no overhead. Finally, it is ok when you have a choice. But when it is your choice, and you are not "forced" to use SSL due to lower dev fee. That's it.

I don't have Google Fiber, I have Comcast (bleh).  I mine to Europe server, which is ~80ms ping higher than the US server for same pool.  My reject rate is 0.08%, so obviously ping isn't a huge factor like you say. Reject isn't significantly altered by 80ms, so 0ms for SSL clearly wouldn't matter that much.  0.5% reduced fee vs 0.08% reject rate (assuming in perfect non SSL you got 0.00% reject....). Either way, you still aren't forced to use it.

SSL doesn't necessarily add anything to miners, but there are no drawbacks.
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Around 180 sol/s for Radeon 280. 9.1 Version. Went up from 170 on 8.0 version
jr. member
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I would really love if someone could help me with an annoying issue.

I really dont know if it is the miner causing it, windows, or maybe the GPU...

For some reason, after a couple of hours mining perfectly, one gpu drops its mem clock from whatever stock setting it is to 300, which causes that gpu to mine a 1/5 % of the speed, usually around 47 sols/s (amd 470 4 gb modded). so I am constantly having to reinstall drivers, patch, etc, to get it work normally again, since simple restarts do not solve the problem.

I am using 6x 470 4gb cards, z97 gaming 5 mobo, 8gb ram, windows 8.1

Do you have a screen plugged in (or dummy plug)? If it's the 'out card' it could be a restful state issue that your power management is forcing the card into.

HI! yes, i keep a screen plugged in all the time. I always use the same port to connect the pc to the scree, i think its the first 16x port, I think it is also the only one that allows me to enter the BIOS settings.
sr. member
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I get 0.08% rejects with SSL, which is about the same as without.  You are assuming SSL adds a large overhead, it doesn't.
..
Or get Google Fiber.
Reject rate and latency heavily depend on your internet link. You are absolutely correct when you have a "Google Fiber". But don't forget that not everyone can get fiber at all, and some people still have to use GPRS (not me).

Answer size is less than packet size
Did you measure it? I did.
In ETH - yes, in ZEC - answer size ranges from 1360 to 1490 bytes per share. It is almost Ethernet frame.

SSL overhead is extremely negligible, you are overly worried. If you don't like SSL, or still think it's slower, though have no actual valid reasons, don't use it.  It is there as an option. No one is forcing you to use it.
I don't use it.
But there are reports even here about long share pings over SSL. It was not me. Probably, not all have Google Fiber :-)

Again, let's talk about facts only, SSL encryptions adds nothing to miners apart the ability to hide t-address they mine to. Still, it does not hide the fact that IP X connects to IP Y port Z, where a pool is located. So IP X does mining. If someone is concerned, they will find a way to get more details. Security by obscurity never was good. Zcash adds an unique option of z-addrs, and this quite solves the issue of privacy. It still does not hide the fact that you mine at pool Y, but there is no overhead. Finally, it is ok when you have a choice. But when it is your choice, and you are not "forced" to use SSL due to lower dev fee. That's it.
sr. member
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verson 9 is useless it power down my computer so it is time to move to something else since it is not profitable with version 8
That's exactly why few people wrote here that hash rate race is not good if no explicit reasons for that since it does not increase profit but decreases it due to power bills. No one listened, now it is the result: more power, more expensive PSU setup, etc. And not more profit :-)

Many sites use SSL, including all google sites, and any shopping site, or generally whenever you login to anything. There may be hundreds of kilobytes, or even megabytes to load a page, and everything is still really fast.
Don't mix a warm with a soft (mining with shopping). When ETH dual miner was created, Claymore changed its default intensity from 16 to 8 to save few ms only. These ms cost some stale shares since after share is calculated, it should be delivered in time. Using -i 16 created larger jobs from CPU to GPU which can't be stopped until finished, and even those ms were important. Now we talk about Zcash, it has slower block time, but solutions itself are huge comparing to ETH ones (around 1300 bytes vs 50 for ETH), and all this now is encrypted in addition. So you have exactly the same case, but for some reason no one is concerned with it like it was for ETH.

Someone tells no one will see their addresses via SSL. If you are paranoid, you should not use exchange addresses. Install zcashd, mine to t-addr and move all to z-addr, send to an exchange t-addr, and no one will know who you are. No one except you will even know from what z-address funds came to the exchange. This is what Zcash was created for. You do not need SSL for that at all. Use right tools for particular task. I understand that 90% people here are home miners, they never read about Zcash: what is it and how it works. Still, it provides 100% security if you are paranoid and use it right. Without any encryption or closed source. That is the brilliant part of Zcash that is undervalued yet.
I get 0.08% rejects with SSL, which is about the same as without.  You are assuming SSL adds a large overhead, it doesn't.  Answer size is less than packet size, even before compression (SSL or not, data can be compressed).  SSL overhead is extremely negligible, you are overly worried. If you don't like SSL, or still think it's slower, though have no actual valid reasons, don't use it.  It is there as an option. No one is forcing you to use it.

Ethereum block time is 10x shorter, so smaller ms differences will increase stales/uncles.  If you are worried about stale shares, lower your share difficulty, SSL adds ~0ms. Or get Google Fiber.

People can use what they want. If 9 or 9.1 doesn't work well, don't use it. I have been staying on 8 because of increased power draw and concerns that I would have to alter my PSU configuration, fine with me.
sr. member
Activity: 449
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verson 9 is useless it power down my computer so it is time to move to something else since it is not profitable with version 8
That's exactly why few people wrote here that hash rate race is not good if no explicit reasons for that since it does not increase profit but decreases it due to power bills. No one listened, now it is the result: more power, more expensive PSU setup, etc. And not more profit :-)

Many sites use SSL, including all google sites, and any shopping site, or generally whenever you login to anything. There may be hundreds of kilobytes, or even megabytes to load a page, and everything is still really fast.
Don't mix a warm with a soft (mining with shopping). When ETH dual miner was created, Claymore changed its default intensity from 16 to 8 to save few ms only. These ms cost some stale shares since after share is calculated, it should be delivered in time. Using -i 16 created larger jobs from CPU to GPU which can't be stopped until finished, and even those ms were important. Now we talk about Zcash, it has slower block time, but solutions itself are huge comparing to ETH ones (around 1300 bytes vs 50 for ETH), and all this now is encrypted in addition. So you have exactly the same case, but for some reason no one is concerned with it like it was for ETH.

Someone tells no one will see their addresses via SSL. If you are paranoid, you should not use exchange addresses. Install zcashd, mine to t-addr and move all to z-addr, send to an exchange t-addr, and no one will know who you are. No one except you will even know from what z-address funds came to the exchange. This is what Zcash was created for. You do not need SSL for that at all. Use right tools for particular task. I understand that 90% people here are home miners, they never read about Zcash: what is it and how it works. Still, it provides 100% security if you are paranoid and use it right. Without any encryption or closed source. That is the brilliant part of Zcash that is undervalued yet.
I get 0.08% rejects with SSL, which is about the same as without.  You are assuming SSL adds a large overhead, it doesn't.  Answer size is less than packet size, even before compression (SSL or not, data can be compressed).  SSL overhead is extremely negligible, you are overly worried. If you don't like SSL, or still think it's slower, though have no actual valid reasons, don't use it.  It is there as an option. No one is forcing you to use it.

Ethereum block time is 10x shorter, so smaller ms differences will increase stales/uncles.  If you are worried about stale shares, lower your share difficulty, SSL adds ~0ms. Or get Google Fiber.
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criticisms and suggestions to the developer is a natural thing, but please do not outrageous
Dont let Claymore became discouraged
do not let the same thing happen again at the long time a go
developers who are able and willing to share the software is lost and no longer willing to distribute software

do not ever think about their profits, just think how much profit we earn

perhaps still remember with Wolfo

I am so confused with the calculation of profit for their fees from the service providers, software (miner), pools and ending in exchange when the goal is BTC

it is easier for a beginner like me to use nicehash service to calculate profits

please help me to calculate

miner illustration I have a top speed of 200 s / h

dev fee, pools fee and when PO fee, exchange fee

How much I earn BTC per day

and how to ZEC solo mining
sr. member
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I would really love if someone could help me with an annoying issue.

I really dont know if it is the miner causing it, windows, or maybe the GPU...

For some reason, after a couple of hours mining perfectly, one gpu drops its mem clock from whatever stock setting it is to 300, which causes that gpu to mine a 1/5 % of the speed, usually around 47 sols/s (amd 470 4 gb modded). so I am constantly having to reinstall drivers, patch, etc, to get it work normally again, since simple restarts do not solve the problem.

I am using 6x 470 4gb cards, z97 gaming 5 mobo, 8gb ram, windows 8.1

Do you have a screen plugged in (or dummy plug)? If it's the 'out card' it could be a restful state issue that your power management is forcing the card into.
jr. member
Activity: 41
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I would really love if someone could help me with an annoying issue.

I really dont know if it is the miner causing it, windows, or maybe the GPU...

For some reason, after a couple of hours mining perfectly, one gpu drops its mem clock from whatever stock setting it is to 300, which causes that gpu to mine a 1/5 % of the speed, usually around 47 sols/s (amd 470 4 gb modded). so I am constantly having to reinstall drivers, patch, etc, to get it work normally again, since simple restarts do not solve the problem.

I am using 6x 470 4gb cards, z97 gaming 5 mobo, 8gb ram, windows 8.1
newbie
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Added more samples to OP for encrypted connection:

miningpoolhub SSL/TLS connection (this pool detects encryption automatically so it uses same port as for unencrypted connection):
   ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://us-east.equihash-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20570 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword

 coinmine SSL/TLS connection:
   ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://zec.coinmine.pl:7017 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword

On this topic. What pool do people see the most consistent earning with? Seems flypool has ran on 'bad luck' (if you believe that) for weeks now. Getting sort of tired of it.


Dwarfpool FTW!
sr. member
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Dwarfpool is a good pool, but for zcash a small pool. 18 blocks found in the last 24hours. A small pool could be unlucky and your payouts will be small. What matters in the end is not the statistics on the server, but what you get payed in the end..
In the long run.

Actually, Dwarf came too late. 24 hours ago its hash rate was around 1,000,000 and it found ~10 blocks/24h. Now it already is 1,599,004 (1.6 times increase) and 18 blocks/24h. If more people switch, the more blocks will be found per 24h.


I'll most likely move my mini-farm to Dwarfpool. Flypool seems either somewhat broken or shady to me. 'bad luck' over long time with 200 blocks/24 hour is either bad code, bad connections or 'something else'
newbie
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Added more samples to OP for encrypted connection:

miningpoolhub SSL/TLS connection (this pool detects encryption automatically so it uses same port as for unencrypted connection):
   ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://us-east.equihash-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20570 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword

 coinmine SSL/TLS connection:
   ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://zec.coinmine.pl:7017 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword

On this topic. What pool do people see the most consistent earning with? Seems flypool has ran on 'bad luck' (if you believe that) for weeks now. Getting sort of tired of it.

I've been using nanopool, haven't bothered with trying others.
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
Added more samples to OP for encrypted connection:

miningpoolhub SSL/TLS connection (this pool detects encryption automatically so it uses same port as for unencrypted connection):
   ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://us-east.equihash-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20570 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword

 coinmine SSL/TLS connection:
   ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://zec.coinmine.pl:7017 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword

On this topic. What pool do people see the most consistent earning with? Seems flypool has ran on 'bad luck' (if you believe that) for weeks now. Getting sort of tired of it.
newbie
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Buy one of this PCI-E Riser Card very good!
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want to lose this card(about 500$) for 48$ in month and wondering: How long can live this card 24/7 doing minning with 85 degree C ?
What is your environment temperature (where the card is installed)?


22 degree in the room, but PC in the usual case w/o cooling , may be I have to open it better and do minning w/o cover?

Better to put some quality fans in the case to get a good airflow. I've got an open rig and a closed rig in the same room... the closed rig stays cooler with 3 corsair case fans blowing 'fresh' air round.

hero member
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EWBF miner 300 h/s 1080 61 C.... total power 73 %

So what...? With the price a 1080 cost I could get 3-4 rx470 so 600 to 800 sols/s  Roll Eyes
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EWBF miner 300 h/s 1080 61 C.... total power 73 %
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