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Quote from: antantti on November 30, 2016, 02:41:37 PM

Quote from: AriesIV10 on November 30, 2016, 02:05:15 PM

A) 2 xfx R9 295X2 = ~$900 = ~1000W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~___W = 120MHs ETH

B) 6 RX 470s = ~$1100 = ~880W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~920W = 164MHs ETH

C) 5 R9 390 = ~$1200 = ~800W = 1250 SOLs ZEC; ~___W =____MHs ETH

I think all of details / presumptions are correct. This would lead me to believe, as it stands, that C would be the most efficient option...correct?

a) would push those to the limits with default cooler & settings ~1100W. 2 x 295x2 = 4 x 290x = 4 x 44cu

b) 100 pages about this but how many at the wall posts?

c) you can do it with 800W but if power saving is your primary target then go with 470s. 5 x 390 = 5 x 40cu.

Can run some quick numbers with c) if you are interested, I have one 3x390 with power meter.

This is a rig with measurements at the wall for both ZEC and ETH using 6 x RX480's (this includes motherboard,ram,hd into the WPC)

Card Volt/Rom Miner GPU MEM ZEC (h/s) WATT HPW WPC ETH (h/s) WATT HPW WPC
RX480 -100mv Claymore v8 1150 2100 1075 720 1.493 120 175 880 0.198 147

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Quote from: AriesIV10 on November 30, 2016, 02:05:15 PM

A) 2 xfx R9 295X2 = ~$900 = ~1000W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~___W = 120MHs ETH

B) 6 RX 470s = ~$1100 = ~880W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~920W = 164MHs ETH

C) 5 R9 390 = ~$1200 = ~800W = 1250 SOLs ZEC; ~___W =____MHs ETH

I think all of details / presumptions are correct. This would lead me to believe, as it stands, that C would be the most efficient option...correct?

a) would push those to the limits with default cooler & settings ~1100W. 2 x 295x2 = 4 x 290x = 4 x 44cu

b) 100 pages about this but how many at the wall posts?

c) you can do it with 800W but if power saving is your primary target then go with 470s. 5 x 390 = 5 x 40cu.

Can run some quick numbers with c) if you are interested, I have one 3x390 with power meter.

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Quote from: xeridea on November 30, 2016, 02:27:03 PM

I could downvolt eth only to use ~80w stock clocks, GPU-Z (not at wall, but same card so it's relevant). ZEC uses similar. If you downclock to say 1000MHz instead of 1260, you get same speed on Eth (zec suffers), but you can lower voltage another 100mv or more, chopping off perhaps another 20w (haven't tested yet).

Sure you can downvolt to that extreme but your hash per watt suffers past certain points.

Anyways, good luck doing that 2 times a day per card if you're using the RX series if you're wanting to mine whatever is the most profitable.

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Quote from: Hotmetal on November 30, 2016, 02:12:01 PM

Quote from: AriesIV10 on November 30, 2016, 02:05:15 PM

You have a very good point there! I am rephrasing:
Also, the assumption would be that there would not be dual mining with ETH, ETH only. This includes using a dual miner in single mode.

What are the implications in the comparison of efficiency/functionality of the following Rigs:

A) 2 xfx R9 295X2 = ~$900 = ~1000W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~___W = 120MHs ETH

B) 6 RX 470s = ~$1100 = ~880W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~920W = 164MHs ETH

C) 5 R9 390 = ~$1200 = ~800W = 1250 SOLs ZEC; ~___W =____MHs ETH

I think all of details / presumptions are correct. This would lead me to believe, as it stands, that C would be the most efficient option...correct?

Even when not dual mining, ETH is still considerably higher than ZEC mining.

Anyways, when you factor in depreciation, resale value, age of the cards and future coins / support, I (personally) would choose the 470's.
Also keep in mind, 2gig cards can no longer mine ETH/ETC so their mining power is forced to go into ZEC (and 3gig cards later) so ZEC difficulty will continue to climb and become even more unprofitable.

Very good advice! I will take the blue pill. Thanks Again!

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Quote from: Hotmetal on November 30, 2016, 02:07:45 PM

Quote from: xeridea on November 30, 2016, 02:01:11 PM

Eth mining or dual mining? Eth only uses similar power at stock clocks, and you can downclock a lot, allowing significantly lower voltages, further reducing power.

You can downvolt as much as you want, ETH is always going to be considerably higher on on powerdraw than ZEC.

I could downvolt eth only to use ~80w stock clocks, GPU-Z (not at wall, but same card so it's relevant). ZEC uses similar. If you downclock to say 1000MHz instead of 1260, you get same speed on Eth (zec suffers), but you can lower voltage another 100mv or more, chopping off perhaps another 20w (haven't tested yet).

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Quote from: thedreamer on November 30, 2016, 02:10:45 PM

How do you get 800watts from 5 r9-390's and still get 1250h/s?
Also you're forgetting power from the system itself.

A lot of people do not factor in power draw from the system itself.
Once the cards start pulling lots of power, the motherboard pulls considerably more power as well.
(there's a video on youtube somewhere showing that by using 2 PSUs, 1 for the motherboard/hd/etc and 1 PSU for the GPUs.. Was pretty interesting!)

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Quote from: Hotmetal on November 30, 2016, 02:07:45 PM

You can downvolt as much as you want, ETH is always going to be considerably higher on on powerdraw than ZEC.

Wait for a week or two Grin

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Quote from: AriesIV10 on November 30, 2016, 02:05:15 PM

You have a very good point there! I am rephrasing:
Also, the assumption would be that there would not be dual mining with ETH, ETH only. This includes using a dual miner in single mode.

What are the implications in the comparison of efficiency/functionality of the following Rigs:

A) 2 xfx R9 295X2 = ~$900 = ~1000W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~___W = 120MHs ETH

B) 6 RX 470s = ~$1100 = ~880W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~920W = 164MHs ETH

C) 5 R9 390 = ~$1200 = ~800W = 1250 SOLs ZEC; ~___W =____MHs ETH

I think all of details / presumptions are correct. This would lead me to believe, as it stands, that C would be the most efficient option...correct?

Even when not dual mining, ETH is still considerably higher than ZEC mining.

Anyways, when you factor in depreciation, resale value, age of the cards and future coins / support, I (personally) would choose the 470's.
Also keep in mind, 2gig cards can no longer mine ETH/ETC so their mining power is forced to go into ZEC (and 3gig cards later) so ZEC difficulty will continue to climb and become even more unprofitable.

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Quote from: Athelas7 on November 28, 2016, 03:32:45 PM

Quote from: AltcoinScamfinder on November 28, 2016, 01:39:07 PM

Anyone have sol/s for R9 Fury 4GB on claymore 8?

About speeds and hashes...Again Grin

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Claymore8.0_card_speeds

This is so helpfull thanks a lot!

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How do you get 800watts from 5 r9-390's and still get 1250h/s?
Also you're forgetting power from the system itself.

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Quote from: xeridea on November 30, 2016, 02:01:11 PM

Eth mining or dual mining? Eth only uses similar power at stock clocks, and you can downclock a lot, allowing significantly lower voltages, further reducing power.

You can downvolt as much as you want, ETH is always going to be considerably higher on on powerdraw than ZEC.

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Quote from: Hotmetal on November 30, 2016, 01:41:17 PM

Quote from: AriesIV10 on November 30, 2016, 01:14:05 PM

What are the implications in the comparison of efficiency/functionality of the following Rigs:

A) 2 xfx R9 295X2 = ~$900 = ~1000W = 1120 SOLs ZEC, 120MHs ETH

B) 6 RX 470s = ~$1100 = ~880W = 1120 SOLs ZEC, 164MHs ETH

C) 5 R9 390 = ~$1200 = ~800W = 1250 SOLs ZEC, ____MHs ETH

I think all of details / presumptions are correct. This would lead me to believe, as it stands, that C would be the most efficient option...correct?

You might want to check power usage numbers again when mining ETH as its considerably higher than when mining ZEC.

You have a very good point there! I am rephrasing:
Also, the assumption would be that there would not be dual mining with ETH, ETH only.

What are the implications in the comparison of efficiency/functionality of the following Rigs:

A) 2 xfx R9 295X2 = ~$900 = ~1000W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~___W = 120MHs ETH

B) 6 RX 470s = ~$1100 = ~880W = 1120 SOLs ZEC; ~920W = 164MHs ETH

C) 5 R9 390 = ~$1200 = ~800W = 1250 SOLs ZEC; ~___W =____MHs ETH

I think all of details / presumptions are correct. This would lead me to believe, as it stands, that C would be the most efficient option...correct?

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Quote from: Hotmetal on November 30, 2016, 01:41:17 PM

Quote from: AriesIV10 on November 30, 2016, 01:14:05 PM

What are the implications in the comparison of efficiency/functionality of the following Rigs:

A) 2 xfx R9 295X2 = ~$900 = ~1000W = 1120 SOLs ZEC, 120MHs ETH

B) 6 RX 470s = ~$1100 = ~880W = 1120 SOLs ZEC, 164MHs ETH

C) 5 R9 390 = ~$1200 = ~800W = 1250 SOLs ZEC, ____MHs ETH

I think all of details / presumptions are correct. This would lead me to believe, as it stands, that C would be the most efficient option...correct?

You might want to check power usage numbers again when mining ETH as its considerably higher than when mining ZEC.

Eth mining or dual mining? Eth only uses similar power at stock clocks, and you can downclock a lot, allowing significantly lower voltages, further reducing power.

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Quote from: MEDVEDja2 on November 30, 2016, 01:24:02 PM

Last version of miner raised temperature to ETH level for 290 cards. Perhaps if new version will increase speed then temperature may become critical for me.
Perhaps this is the problem with cooling.

try Afterburner for fan speeds and heat control for eth miinig this is Zcash mining the heat is much lower and the cards uses less power .

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Quote from: Hotmetal on November 30, 2016, 01:42:36 PM

Quote from: antantti on November 30, 2016, 01:39:41 PM

Quote from: Hotmetal on November 30, 2016, 01:34:23 PM

Quote from: antantti on November 30, 2016, 12:57:51 PM

High asic quality 2014 = average asic quality 2015

How do you get to that logic?

Same chip, one more year to get your production line run like it should.

Eh? If you buy an RX480 now or in a years time, its still going to be an RX480 and ASIC quality is still going to be the same.

Edited my post but you were too quick.

It was about hawaii, 2014 they handpicked best chips to 295x2. In 2015 (390) average hawaii chip was as good as those cherry picked in 2014.

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Quote from: antantti on November 30, 2016, 01:39:41 PM

Quote from: Hotmetal on November 30, 2016, 01:34:23 PM

Quote from: antantti on November 30, 2016, 12:57:51 PM

High asic quality 2014 = average asic quality 2015

How do you get to that logic?

Same chip, one more year to get your production line run like it should.

Eh? If you buy an RX480 now or in a years time, its still going to be an RX480 and ASIC quality is still going to be the same.

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Quote from: AriesIV10 on November 30, 2016, 01:14:05 PM

What are the implications in the comparison of efficiency/functionality of the following Rigs:

A) 2 xfx R9 295X2 = ~$900 = ~1000W = 1120 SOLs ZEC, 120MHs ETH

B) 6 RX 470s = ~$1100 = ~880W = 1120 SOLs ZEC, 164MHs ETH

C) 5 R9 390 = ~$1200 = ~800W = 1250 SOLs ZEC, ____MHs ETH

I think all of details / presumptions are correct. This would lead me to believe, as it stands, that C would be the most efficient option...correct?

You might want to check power usage numbers again when mining ETH as its considerably higher than when mining ZEC.

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Quote from: Hotmetal on November 30, 2016, 01:34:23 PM

Quote from: antantti on November 30, 2016, 12:57:51 PM

High asic quality 2014 = average asic quality 2015

How do you get to that logic?

Same chip, one more year to get your production line run like it should.

edit: speaking about hawaii

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Quote from: Jinx99 on November 30, 2016, 01:30:55 PM

Why it needs to find out a link between Trixx and Claymore?

Whatewer, just use -d option to enable only one gpu at once, step by step - and you find it by gpu load, clocks and temps (GPU-Z, MSI AB, Trixx)

That's pretty much what i suggested in the first place isn't it Tongue

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Quote from: antantti on November 30, 2016, 12:57:51 PM

High asic quality 2014 = average asic quality 2015

How do you get to that logic?

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