[Closed] AVALON CHIPs @0.082BTC + K16 Miner Assembly 60EUR - page 6.

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Quote from: Fishbones on September 12, 2013, 05:30:13 AM

Quote from: bizwoo on September 12, 2013, 03:26:45 AM

Quote from: bizwoo on September 11, 2013, 06:57:01 AM

FINAL NOTICE FOR EVERYONE TO MAKE SURE THEIR REFUND ADDRESS IS CORRECT IN THE PROVIDED LISTS. WILL GIVE ONLY 24 HOURS MORE TO EACH GB.

GB1

and

GB2

There might be news soon.

Some Update

GB1
According to John K, he has now sent the previous and the new form available for the refund but has not yet received any reply. I have sent several PMs and emails to John K but he has not been online since yesterday. I have also contacted Yifu directly to his email with no replies. It is John K that has to enter the refund details for this order as he was the one placing it. I have even asked John several times about the status of this order in the AVALON shop and he has not answered; this just to know if the order has changed to 'prepare-delivey' status or not. If the chips come then I will just send then to the assembler you choose. Note that nekonos will not longer provide assembler as he let us know before. Burnin and Marto will be valid options. EDIT: I am all up for the refund and will continue to push for it.

GB2
This order was placed by me and therefore I sent the refund request directly but providing a BTC address John K gave me to handle the refund of this batch. The refund was received yesterday for this batch (https://blockchain.info/address/1JxPPC3bEnfMXZMzeDMCToriGpCUzAEpum). Today, I will provide the GB2 List to John K for him to pay the refunds to the buyers.

Please feel free to contact John K about these issues but this will just give more work to him i.e. reading all the PMs, etc.

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If the chips come then I will just send then to the assembler you choose.

SAY WHAT? Bizwoo, you are now pushing it too far with this shit and f'ing with OUR MONEY.

The MAJORITY in batch 1 WANT A REFUND. If you receive the chips please take care of sending them back so we CAN get the refund.

NOW WORSE. You are going to refund batch 2 that is somewhat on schedule BEFORE batch 1 that is WAY OVERDUE ??
As has been stated here already, in other group buys the refunds are being paid out in order of the batch orders. Batch 2 was not even eligible for a refund until a couple of days ago and now they get a refund before batch 1 that has requested the refund some time ago already. DO YOU THINK THAT IS FARE???

The fact that batch 1 was not refunded yet is probably due to the fact that there was a mistake in the Refund Request form and that request was rejected. That MISTAKE is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Should we now suffer consequences of your incompetence as a group buy organizer? Fix this and save your reputation!

Have to agree with this, its turned into a farce and is a joke that we have no refund and GB2 has got theirs

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Quote from: bizwoo on September 12, 2013, 03:26:45 AM

Quote from: bizwoo on September 11, 2013, 06:57:01 AM

FINAL NOTICE FOR EVERYONE TO MAKE SURE THEIR REFUND ADDRESS IS CORRECT IN THE PROVIDED LISTS. WILL GIVE ONLY 24 HOURS MORE TO EACH GB.

GB1

and

GB2

There might be news soon.

Some Update

GB1
According to John K, he has now sent the previous and the new form available for the refund but has not yet received any reply. I have sent several PMs and emails to John K but he has not been online since yesterday. I have also contacted Yifu directly to his email with no replies. It is John K that has to enter the refund details for this order as he was the one placing it. I have even asked John several times about the status of this order in the AVALON shop and he has not answered; this just to know if the order has changed to 'prepare-delivey' status or not. If the chips come then I will just send then to the assembler you choose. Note that nekonos will not longer provide assembler as he let us know before. Burnin and Marto will be valid options. EDIT: I am all up for the refund and will continue to push for it.

GB2
This order was placed by me and therefore I sent the refund request directly but providing a BTC address John K gave me to handle the refund of this batch. The refund was received yesterday for this batch (https://blockchain.info/address/1JxPPC3bEnfMXZMzeDMCToriGpCUzAEpum). Today, I will provide the GB2 List to John K for him to pay the refunds to the buyers.

Please feel free to contact John K about these issues but this will just give more work to him i.e. reading all the PMs, etc.

Quote

If the chips come then I will just send then to the assembler you choose.

SAY WHAT? Bizwoo, you are now pushing it too far with this shit and f'ing with OUR MONEY.

The MAJORITY in batch 1 WANT A REFUND. If you receive the chips please take care of sending them back so we CAN get the refund.

NOW WORSE. You are going to refund batch 2 that is somewhat on schedule BEFORE batch 1 that is WAY OVERDUE ??
As has been stated here already, in other group buys the refunds are being paid out in order of the batch orders. Batch 2 was not even eligible for a refund until a couple of days ago and now they get a refund before batch 1 that has requested the refund some time ago already. DO YOU THINK THAT IS FARE???

The fact that batch 1 was not refunded yet is probably due to the fact that there was a mistake in the Refund Request form and that request was rejected. That MISTAKE is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Should we now suffer consequences of your incompetence as a group buy organizer? Fix this and save your reputation!

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Quote from: Pompobit on September 12, 2013, 04:24:54 AM

Quote from: FrenchTart on September 12, 2013, 04:15:54 AM

Quote from: Pompobit on September 12, 2013, 04:03:29 AM

wait, are you saying that batch 2 will be refunded before batch 1?

I don't think this is fair, the delay for batch 1 is larger and so we should get the refund before batch 2. Zefir is pushing back orders made later for who still wants the chips and refunds first batches before, so who has more delay can be reimbursed and the buyers of late batches will get chips sooner. I think this is the best way to manage this whole shit.

By the way, thank you bizwoo for you work

It is correct to refund for the batch that has been refunded - fairness doesn't come into it.

Actually each group buy has people that still want chips and other people that just ask for a refund, if is it possible to shift orders and make everyone happy, I don't see why not, see the Zefir's thread. Having bought chips in the first batch should be an advantage and not a fault, as the things are moving, we could get chips with more than 1 month delay and the batch 2, that is still almost in time, could get the refund. I don't see that good

The correct thing to do would be to refund the order that has been refunded (in this case, GB2) and if anyone receives chips that doesn't want them they can sell them.

Despite the two group buys being organised by the same person they *are* two separate transactions and neither should impact on the other.

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Quote from: FrenchTart on September 12, 2013, 04:15:54 AM

Quote from: Pompobit on September 12, 2013, 04:03:29 AM

wait, are you saying that batch 2 will be refunded before batch 1?

I don't think this is fair, the delay for batch 1 is larger and so we should get the refund before batch 2. Zefir is pushing back orders made later for who still wants the chips and refunds first batches before, so who has more delay can be reimbursed and the buyers of late batches will get chips sooner. I think this is the best way to manage this whole shit.

By the way, thank you bizwoo for you work

It is correct to refund for the batch that has been refunded - fairness doesn't come into it.

Actually each group buy has people that still want chips and other people that just ask for a refund, if is it possible to shift orders and make everyone happy, I don't see why not, see the Zefir's thread. Having bought chips in the first batch should be an advantage and not a fault, as the things are moving, we could get chips with more than 1 month delay and the batch 2, that is still almost in time, could get the refund. I don't see that good

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Quote from: Pompobit on September 12, 2013, 04:03:29 AM

wait, are you saying that batch 2 will be refunded before batch 1?

I don't think this is fair, the delay for batch 1 is larger and so we should get the refund before batch 2. Zefir is pushing back orders made later for who still wants the chips and refunds first batches before, so who has more delay can be reimbursed and the buyers of late batches will get chips sooner. I think this is the best way to manage this whole shit.

By the way, thank you bizwoo for you work

It is correct to refund for the batch that has been refunded - fairness doesn't come into it.

Pompobit

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wait, are you saying that batch 2 will be refunded before batch 1?

I don't think this is fair, the delay for batch 1 is larger and so we should get the refund before batch 2. Zefir is pushing back orders made later for who still wants the chips and refunds first batches before, so who has more delay can be reimbursed and the buyers of late batches will get chips sooner. I think this is the best way to manage this whole shit.

By the way, thank you bizwoo for you work

FrenchTart

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Thanks for the update Bizwoo

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Quote from: bizwoo on September 11, 2013, 06:57:01 AM

FINAL NOTICE FOR EVERYONE TO MAKE SURE THEIR REFUND ADDRESS IS CORRECT IN THE PROVIDED LISTS. WILL GIVE ONLY 24 HOURS MORE TO EACH GB.

GB1

and

GB2

There might be news soon.

Some Update

GB1
According to John K, he has now sent the previous and the new form available for the refund but has not yet received any reply. I have sent several PMs and emails to John K but he has not been online since yesterday. I have also contacted Yifu directly to his email with no replies. It is John K that has to enter the refund details for this order as he was the one placing it. I have even asked John several times about the status of this order in the AVALON shop and he has not answered; this just to know if the order has changed to 'prepare-delivey' status or not. If the chips come then I will just send then to the assembler you choose. Note that nekonos will not longer provide assembler as he let us know before. Burnin and Marto will be valid options. EDIT: I am all up for the refund and will continue to push for it.

GB2
This order was placed by me and therefore I sent the refund request directly but providing a BTC address John K gave me to handle the refund of this batch. The refund was received yesterday for this batch (https://blockchain.info/address/1JxPPC3bEnfMXZMzeDMCToriGpCUzAEpum). Today, I will provide the GB2 List to John K for him to pay the refunds to the buyers.

Please feel free to contact John K about these issues but this will just give more work to him i.e. reading all the PMs, etc.

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Quote from: ct1aic on September 12, 2013, 01:25:17 AM

Quote from: Fishbones on September 11, 2013, 03:51:08 PM

@bizwoo

May I suggest you ask JohnK to put the refund request through again? First one might have gone to spam.

Also, could you please address my question above about the backup plan?

EDIT:
No reply ... so may I suggest the backup plan. And as the chips are now shipping again, as in:

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sebastianju and zefir group buy is shipping within 12 hours.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3130600
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3132181

If this GB chips ship, I suggest you start making plans to not take delivery and have them sent back to Yifu so we can get our refund as requested some time ago.

If the chips do arrive to bizwoo, then there is no reason for refund...

Except that now we have voted for a refund as that's what people want...and some of the builders of the boards have pulled out. As much as I'd love a pile of chips that I literally can't do anything with, we should continue to push for a refund.

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Quote from: Fishbones on September 11, 2013, 03:51:08 PM

@bizwoo

May I suggest you ask JohnK to put the refund request through again? First one might have gone to spam.

Also, could you please address my question above about the backup plan?

EDIT:
No reply ... so may I suggest the backup plan. And as the chips are now shipping again, as in:

Quote

sebastianju and zefir group buy is shipping within 12 hours.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3130600
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3132181

If this GB chips ship, I suggest you start making plans to not take delivery and have them sent back to Yifu so we can get our refund as requested some time ago.

If the chips do arrive to bizwoo, then there is no reason for refund...

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Quote from: bizwoo on September 11, 2013, 03:38:42 PM

If the auction was mine then I will give you the difference between what you paid in the auction and the 0.082. This, I will do once we get the refund.

That is quite the respectable move to make.

JTWrenn, I think your argument is valid to a degree and I'm glad to see bizwoo is already looking to take care of you.

I guess I'm just under the impression, that during an auction, the buyer realizes they may possibly be paying a premium.

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Quote from: bizwoo on September 11, 2013, 03:38:42 PM

Quote from: JTWrenn on September 11, 2013, 12:07:24 PM

Well my address is on there but the amount is wrong. I paid more as I was a late comer and had to jump on an auction of chips. if I get a refund it will be for the full amount right?

Hi, you bought the chips in an auction but these chips were part of the group buy and therefore under the same conditions and terms. This was written in the auction.

What would happen here is that it would be as if your bought the chips for the price of the group buy i.e. 0.082 per chip.

Over the 0.082 you will receive what is written in the list. This is due to covering the escrow fees, etc.

If the auction was mine then I will give you the difference between what you paid in the auction and the 0.082. This, I will do once we get the refund.

This sounds just fine by me, pretty sure it was your auction so we will figure it out if and when it all comes through. Thanks for the response.

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@bizwoo

May I suggest you ask JohnK to put the refund request through again? First one might have gone to spam.

Also, could you please address my question above about the backup plan?

EDIT:
No reply ... so may I suggest the backup plan. And as the chips are now shipping again, as in:

Quote

sebastianju and zefir group buy is shipping within 12 hours.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3130600
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3132181

If this GB chips ship, I suggest you start making plans to not take delivery and have them sent back to Yifu so we can get our refund as requested some time ago.

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Quote from: JTWrenn on September 11, 2013, 12:07:24 PM

Well my address is on there but the amount is wrong. I paid more as I was a late comer and had to jump on an auction of chips. if I get a refund it will be for the full amount right?

Hi, you bought the chips in an auction but these chips were part of the group buy and therefore under the same conditions and terms. This was written in the auction.

What would happen here is that it would be as if your bought the chips for the price of the group buy i.e. 0.082 per chip.

Over the 0.082 you will receive what is written in the list. This is due to covering the escrow fees, etc.

If the auction was mine then I will give you the difference between what you paid in the auction and the 0.082. This, I will do once we get the refund.

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Quote from: Dataroth on September 11, 2013, 02:15:03 PM

As was posted earlier, Bizwoo isn't going to be getting a larger refund. I know it sucks, but I think you may have to eat the loss. At this point, I just hope we get a refund. Same with my other group buy. Milklylep knows what I'm talking 'bout.

But he got my 6.4 btc and then will get the refund. So...why should get get to keep the difference? He didn't pay out the 6.4 to the group buy, he paid the original price and then ended up with extras because someone never paid up or had to bomb out for some reason. Then he made a profit by selling it to me at the 6.4 btc...what he did with the profit, I don't know, but that has nothing to do with the group buy really. He should take the amount he gets back then pull the profit he made from the auction out of his stash.

I don't really see how this doesn't make sense here. I get he is getting a refund from the Group Buy but he got money from everyone to put into the group buy and those people will get back what they put in. He got money for the group buy + profit from my auction. He should return both if the order is canceled.

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As was posted earlier, Bizwoo isn't going to be getting a larger refund. I know it sucks, but I think you may have to eat the loss. At this point, I just hope we get a refund. Same with my other group buy. Milklylep knows what I'm talking 'bout.

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Quote from: MilkyLep on September 11, 2013, 12:21:50 PM

Quote from: JTWrenn on September 11, 2013, 12:07:24 PM

Well my address is on there but the amount is wrong. I paid more as I was a late comer and had to jump on an auction of chips. if I get a refund it will be for the full amount right?

It's not like bizwoo will get refunded more BTC than anyone else, I imagine you'll get the same percentage as all other buyers.

So nearly another 20 orders refunded before ours? Is there any pattern with the refunds? Is more public pressure needed?

That doesn't really apply here as I paid more than the original amount. I should be returned the amount paid in the auction as the auction was not fulfilled, not a percentage of the return from the group buy.

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Quote from: JTWrenn on September 11, 2013, 12:07:24 PM

Well my address is on there but the amount is wrong. I paid more as I was a late comer and had to jump on an auction of chips. if I get a refund it will be for the full amount right?

It's not like bizwoo will get refunded more BTC than anyone else, I imagine you'll get the same percentage as all other buyers.

So nearly another 20 orders refunded before ours? Is there any pattern with the refunds? Is more public pressure needed?

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Well my address is on there but the amount is wrong. I paid more as I was a late comer and had to jump on an auction of chips. if I get a refund it will be for the full amount right?

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