[CLOSED] batch #32 0.65 btc per Blade, 49-port HUBS .30 or less

pjviitas

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Quote from: hayseed on November 20, 2013, 11:39:59 PM

Quote from: pjviitas on November 20, 2013, 10:55:23 PM

What make of PSU?

Logisys Corp. 550W 120mm Ball Bearing Fan with PSU ATX 550

PSU provides up to 38 amps on the +5V rail and up to 25 amps on the +12V rail. Fits 20- and 24-pin ATX motherboards.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004MU8VCS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

These off-brands PSU's can be hit or miss...you probably just had some bad luck.

I have an Antec 30A unit and it runs all 49 ports flawlessly.

Oh well...at least you figured it all out, that's the main thing

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Quote from: pjviitas on November 20, 2013, 10:55:23 PM

What make of PSU?

Logisys Corp. 550W 120mm Ball Bearing Fan with PSU ATX 550

PSU provides up to 38 amps on the +5V rail and up to 25 amps on the +12V rail. Fits 20- and 24-pin ATX motherboards.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004MU8VCS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Quote from: hayseed on November 20, 2013, 10:35:04 PM

Quote from: hayseed on November 16, 2013, 02:35:37 PM

I am also having issues with a 49 port hub on Mac OS X. Both 10.7 and 10.9 on two different computers.

I am waiting on another PS to make sure it is not causing problems. I doubt it though as it was bought new (5v 38amp) and I do have two fans running on the 12v rails.

Have swapped out usb cables and moving miners around from 49hub to regular anker hub to narrow down problems.

I narrowed it down to the power supply not putting out enough 5v amps. Even though it was rated for 5v 38A !!!!

Some of the confusion was that on them mac at least using an anker hub at same time as the 49 port caused issues. Once I moved the anker off then reduced the amount of miners down to 35 no problems. I even walked them around the ports to be sure that ports were not bad.

While one of the first things I tried was reducing miners down to just 7, the anker was still attached and causing issue. Brain fart and violated first rule of trouble shooting. Change only 1 variable at a time.

So I guess PS labels are like clothing tags. Sort of semi accurate not. Gotta love that labels don't mean sh*t!!!

What make of PSU?

hayseed

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Quote from: hayseed on November 16, 2013, 02:35:37 PM

I am also having issues with a 49 port hub on Mac OS X. Both 10.7 and 10.9 on two different computers.

I am waiting on another PS to make sure it is not causing problems. I doubt it though as it was bought new (5v 38amp) and I do have two fans running on the 12v rails.

Have swapped out usb cables and moving miners around from 49hub to regular anker hub to narrow down problems.

I narrowed it down to the power supply not putting out enough 5v amps. Even though it was rated for 5v 38A !!!!

Some of the confusion was that on them mac at least using an anker hub at same time as the 49 port caused issues. Once I moved the anker off then reduced the amount of miners down to 35 no problems. I even walked them around the ports to be sure that ports were not bad.

While one of the first things I tried was reducing miners down to just 7, the anker was still attached and causing issue. Brain fart and violated first rule of trouble shooting. Change only 1 variable at a time.

So I guess PS labels are like clothing tags. Sort of semi accurate not. Gotta love that labels don't mean sh*t!!!

CanaryInTheMine

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As long as the PSU is delivering all 23 amps without an issue on the 5 v ATX, it should work.
Plenty do not work even with the 30a printed rating.

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Quote from: RBCastro on November 17, 2013, 01:24:46 PM

Quote from: CanaryInTheMine on October 28, 2013, 12:08:25 PM

The hubs have arrived. ready to ship out. They are approximately 10x6 inches in size. definitely made so that you could stack them and create very interesting "rigs", but to stack them you'll need to visit a local RadioShack etc... to get necessary parts.

one order of 50 USBs + a Hub fits into a Medium Flat Rate box. Or it fits a Region B box if that is cheaper for you (weight: about 4 pounds).

for those with multiple batches of 50, I'd have to work with you on the label requirements, so please PM me (ofcourse if you don't want to bother, you can just email a medium box label for each block of 50 USBs + hub).

Start with this:

Next add some USB miners:

I used this PSU which I picked up at a local Frys under $50: ( 30A on 5V ATX)

Connected and all 49 powered up! :

And we're hashing:

Where can I find this 24 pin PSU?

Any old 5V 30A PSU will do...5mins of searching on the internets should yield something.

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Quote from: CanaryInTheMine on October 28, 2013, 12:08:25 PM

The hubs have arrived. ready to ship out. They are approximately 10x6 inches in size. definitely made so that you could stack them and create very interesting "rigs", but to stack them you'll need to visit a local RadioShack etc... to get necessary parts.

one order of 50 USBs + a Hub fits into a Medium Flat Rate box. Or it fits a Region B box if that is cheaper for you (weight: about 4 pounds).

for those with multiple batches of 50, I'd have to work with you on the label requirements, so please PM me (ofcourse if you don't want to bother, you can just email a medium box label for each block of 50 USBs + hub).

Start with this:

Next add some USB miners:

I used this PSU which I picked up at a local Frys under $50: ( 30A on 5V ATX)

Connected and all 49 powered up! :

And we're hashing:

Where can I find this 24 pin PSU?

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Pick and place? I need more coffee.

As far as power supply goes, I am using an old Sparkle FSP300 Pentium 4 unit I had in a spares box at work.

It claims 30A 5V and FULLY lives up to is. Measured with a Mulitmeter it shows 5.01V. This is while mining too. Cheesy

Might be cheaper somewhere else but...

http://www.amazon.com/Sparkle-Power-FSP300-60PLN-Supply-150x140x86mm/dp/B000J1AV1S

Been running two fully loaded hubs off of these supplies for over two weeks. They don't even get warm!

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Quote from: hayseed on November 16, 2013, 02:57:42 PM

Quote from: pjviitas on November 16, 2013, 02:46:02 PM

What kind of problems?

Client being used is bitminter. Have to scan ports multiple times to get most recognized. Can never get all to run. Even when dropped miners down to 30 on 49 port hub. Some will not mine unless moved around etc.

I also can not run an anker hub plugged into same computer as 49 port hub as same issues will affect the anker where some will just not be recognized and or fail during mining.

moved anker to another computer. it works perfectly. move 49 hub to that computer issues again.

also having some miners with issues which I am trying to sort out by rotating them through anker on other computer to find the dead or fringe ones.

I suspect it is the way the hubs are cascaded on the 49 port hub. on OSX I can see the hierarchy of how they are recognized. I also suspect noise issues on the 49 port hub.

All of my equipment gets clean power from online UPS/AVR

== Added

I have been in touch with the seller and he will make good as needed. The techie in me just wants to sort out the issue's so I know as close to 100% what is causing it. Just not enough free time.

Sounds like you have a number of problems.

Troubleshooting tips as follows:
1. Test your hardware in this order BE sticks first, usb hubs second, computer hardware third and driver & miner software last
2. When testing BE sticks its not enough to see if they are recognized by the computer, they actually need to be mining before they are proved good
3. When testing usb hubs plug it in empty first then start plugging BE sticks in one by one. Again, its not enough that the sticks are recognized...they need to be mining to show that they are working right
4. There is a myriad of hardware configurations on computers when it comes to usb ports. The number of levels of daisy chaining is just one example of how the usb hardware setup can be different between one computer and another.
5. Lastly there is the driver & miner software. Of course keeping up with the latest versions is always a good idea but I have seen different behavior between versions. The hot-swapping on the latest version of cgminer for example will pick up say 30 of my BE sticks and hot-swap in the last 20 over the course of up to 2-3 minutes and be completely stable after that.

Hope this helps.

Hedghog

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Quote from: hayseed on November 16, 2013, 03:26:35 PM

on 49 port hub I notice it is laid out:

main usb chip (star)
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports

Anker is laid out

hub (daisy chained)
+ 3 ports
+hub
   + 3 ports
   +hub
   + 3 ports

What this means (shrug). Just noticed the difference.

== added

I suspect anker did their layout to allow a pause for each hub to sync before the next one.

With the 49 port laid out the way it is, all 7 sub hubs try to sync at once and cause timing issues.

(Note I am not a chip design/board layout artist nor do I play one on tv)

It's definitely something with syncing. Other 49 port hubs have similar behavior on some systems too. I've also noticed that on freshly installed systems the 49 port hubs behave cleanly. On a system where I had, over time, connected and disconnected all kinds of USB hubs and devices, it slows down significantly and doesn't behave well...

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Quote from: CanaryInTheMine on November 16, 2013, 02:52:31 PM

Gidi,
Take a clue. I have no intentions of changing my opinion about you. You are shady and a selectively misrepresentative person. I would not do any business with you and cant recommend anyone else to do business with you. Your postings are pretty much stalking at this point. You should stop. I have no problems asking mods to step in if you continue harassing me. I have nothing else to talk about with you, I've discussed everything with you. Your antics further solidified my opinion of you when I took a few days to make sure emotions were not involved. This post is more for others since you keep insinuating that the feedback isn't valid. It is valid and it stays.

I'm in the default trust of the forums now and I do watch out. Some feedbacks can be resolved and some can not.

hi there. regarding what you accuse me of please speak clearly for everyone to see. you have written shady and a selectively misrepresentative person i have not misrepresented anything i have written everything as it happened. if you feel that something has been misrepresented let me know what it is. i have written the exact feedback i left you and why it was left and that you delayed my order over 7 days and cost me a lot of money.

Your antics further solidified my opinion of you when I took a few days to make sure emotions were not involved i cannot understand this line.

It is valid and it stays the feedback is not valid as firstly it states that you risked 7.5btc which is incorrect and secondly the purpose of the feedback is for when there is a scam or something which is dishonest such as long delays for no valid reason. just doing a revenge feedback when you are in trusted showes the system is flawed.

i can post all the pm's here for everyone to see that what i am saying is totally honest or you can see them in the links above. justice needs to be done

regards

hayseed

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on 49 port hub I notice it is laid out:

main usb chip (star)
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports
+sub usb
   +7 ports

Anker is laid out

hub (daisy chained)
+ 3 ports
+hub
   + 3 ports
   +hub
   + 3 ports

What this means (shrug). Just noticed the difference.

== added

I suspect anker did their layout to allow a pause for each hub to sync before the next one.

With the 49 port laid out the way it is, all 7 sub hubs try to sync at once and cause timing issues.

(Note I am not a chip design/board layout artist nor do I play one on tv)

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Quote from: CanaryInTheMine on November 16, 2013, 03:00:54 PM

Make sure that that 38A rating on 5V rail is actually delivering... Several folks (philma and bitterdog from the top of my head, please correct me if I'm wrong) have tested a few PSUs that claim high amperage but fail to deliver. That's the first thing to rule out...

That was the first thing I suspected. But I reduced down to just two rows of 7 (14) and had same issues. Waiting for my good fluke I loaned out to be returned to monitor voltage and also ordered a usb current/volt monitor.

The other thing is the normally solid anker when plugged into same computer as 49 port hub developed same issue's.

When I first started mining with just 6 miners I had ordered cheap usb hub. had all kinds of problems. bought the highly suggested anker and all problems went away.

CanaryInTheMine

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Quote from: hayseed on November 16, 2013, 02:35:37 PM

I am also having issues with a 49 port hub on Mac OS X. Both 10.7 and 10.9 on two different computers.

I am waiting on another PS to make sure it is not causing problems. I doubt it though as it was bought new (5v 38amp) and I do have two fans running on the 12v rails.

Have swapped out usb cables and moving miners around from 49hub to regular anker hub to narrow down problems.

Make sure that that 38A rating on 5V rail is actually delivering... Several folks (philma and bitterdog from the top of my head, please correct me if I'm wrong) have tested a few PSUs that claim high amperage but fail to deliver. That's the first thing to rule out...

hayseed

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Quote from: pjviitas on November 16, 2013, 02:46:02 PM

What kind of problems?

Client being used is bitminter. Have to scan ports multiple times to get most recognized. Can never get all to run. Even when dropped miners down to 30 on 49 port hub. Some will not mine unless moved around etc.

I also can not run an anker hub plugged into same computer as 49 port hub as same issues will affect the anker where some will just not be recognized and or fail during mining.

moved anker to another computer. it works perfectly. move 49 hub to that computer issues again.

also having some miners with issues which I am trying to sort out by rotating them through anker on other computer to find the dead or fringe ones.

I suspect it is the way the hubs are cascaded on the 49 port hub. on OSX I can see the hierarchy of how they are recognized. I also suspect noise issues on the 49 port hub.

All of my equipment gets clean power from online UPS/AVR

== Added

I have been in touch with the seller and he will make good as needed. The techie in me just wants to sort out the issue's so I know as close to 100% what is causing it. Just not enough free time.

CanaryInTheMine

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between a rock and a block!

Gidi,
Take a clue. I have no intentions of changing my opinion about you. You are shady and a selectively misrepresentative person. I would not do any business with you and cant recommend anyone else to do business with you. Your postings are pretty much stalking at this point. You should stop. I have no problems asking mods to step in if you continue harassing me. I have nothing else to talk about with you, I've discussed everything with you. Your antics further solidified my opinion of you when I took a few days to make sure emotions were not involved. This post is more for others since you keep insinuating that the feedback isn't valid. It is valid and it stays.

I'm in the default trust of the forums now and I do watch out. Some feedbacks can be resolved and some can not.

pjviitas

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Quote from: hayseed on November 16, 2013, 02:35:37 PM

I am also having issues with a 49 port hub on Mac OS X. Both 10.7 and 10.9 on two different computers.

I am waiting on another PS to make sure it is not causing problems. I doubt it though as it was bought new (5v 38amp) and I do have two fans running on the 12v rails.

Have swapped out usb cables and moving miners around from 49hub to regular anker hub to narrow down problems.

What kind of problems?

hayseed

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I am also having issues with a 49 port hub on Mac OS X. Both 10.7 and 10.9 on two different computers.

I am waiting on another PS to make sure it is not causing problems. I doubt it though as it was bought new (5v 38amp) and I do have two fans running on the 12v rails.

Have swapped out usb cables and moving miners around from 49hub to regular anker hub to narrow down problems.

gidi337

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Quote from: xzempt on November 15, 2013, 10:49:50 PM

Quote from: Kaega on November 15, 2013, 09:17:44 PM

His comments clarify his rating on you.

Canary is legit.

Agreed! Never had any issues..... ive ordered many things... lots of packages! Everything was sent faster than expected! A+++++

i agree with you that many people never had issues. but as you see from my posts that other people have had see sveetsnelda

Quote from: sveetsnelda on August 21, 2013, 05:46:07 PM

Quote from: CanaryInTheMine on August 21, 2013, 05:31:22 PM

you did a hit job on me... that's the effect of your actions.
I provided you with an explanation and refunded what you asked for.

You provided me with one/two liners until you eventually blew up and said I was "bullying you". No, you didn't refund what I asked for. You refunded what you felt was appropriate (which is more than what others in the group buy paid if they created their own label... which didn't even exist in the thread when I made the purchase).

Quote from: CanaryInTheMine on August 21, 2013, 05:31:22 PM

without stating exactly what you want, you left the feedback you did and I'm sure you are enjoying yourself... whatever. what goes around comes around... I do not wish to communicate with you as I stated. enough already... go enjoy the fruits of your labor and leave me alone.

...without stating exactly what I want? I stated it so many times and in so many different ways that you eventually made fun of me for being so verbose. I couldn't have been more clear. Here is a quote from one of my PMs:

Quote from: CanaryInTheMine on August 21, 2013, 05:31:22 PM

I do not wish to communicate with you as I stated. enough already... go enjoy the fruits of your labor and leave me alone.

This basically sums up your attitude/behavior in most of your PMs, and it earned you a negative trust rating. You took my extra coin, can't communicate, and refused to communicate. If you're truly done with the situation, move on with it and quit telling your other customers that it was a "hit job". If you make an inaccurate accusation toward me, I'm going to defend myself.

I've been on this forum for years, and I've witnessed plenty of fraud. It's my duty as a buyer to report on my transactions -- both positive and negative. Once again, if your transaction with him was smooth -- great. Post it. If someone does something that makes me not trust them, I'll post it as well.

and the other fellow i mentioned. i was one of those that did have issues and am still having an issue which you can see. i am perfectly happy to delete all these posts if he rectifies the unjust situation.

regards

gidi337

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Quote from: Kaega on November 15, 2013, 09:17:44 PM

His comments clarify his rating on you.

Canary is legit.

i have not ever said once he is not legitimate. his rating is misusing trust system. i have not done that. he delayed the shipment for over a week for no reason and it cost me a lot of money. that is exactly what i wrote and was hoping to remove it as soon as it was rectified see my previous posts.

in actual fact he wrote in his feedback risked 7.5btc which is false as he has never risked anything with me. i paid him. so if anything that is abuse of the trust system

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