Topic: [CLOSED] Design a physical Bitcoin - (CONTEST IS CLOSED) - page 9. (Read 21628 times)

In all likelihood, with security measures, the later you are, the more opportunity you have to put in additional security measures.

I suspect that there are techniques in development today, that won't be commercially available by the time this is released, but may be available by the time the 2014's come out.

Whether one avails oneself of ALL those new opportunities for defense of tamper-proofing is another matter.  Some but not all of them are in the sticker itself, some require other objects or processes that are not apparent to the folks buying them.  It is hubris to imagine that any of us alone know every possible thing about security, from the type of glue used to the thickness and fragility of the hologram to the means of securing and affixing it...

Arguing among ourselves is less productive to good security than working together.  It might make sense for those of us involved in coin-making to form a private group for improving the state of the art and cooperate a bit more, provided we can "play well with others". 

The Liberty Dollar's Warehouse Receipts had the most advanced security of its time.  More than any paper currency of any nation at that time.  It had holograms, microprinting, UV fluorescent ink trim, hot gold and silver foil stamping, and an invisible synthetic DNA security thread, and were also a work of artistic beauty 100% backed by bullion.  They were harder to counterfeit than US Fed Reserve Notes and far and away the best paper money in existance, but, if done today, there is more that could be done.  The state-of-the-art is always changing and it takes more than a little work to keep informed of all of the new developments.

My designs were done entirely from illustrator, all vector based... I used photoshop to add in the window on the hologram though :p

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That's fine, perhaps I should change the OP to say the minimum quality of file format of artwork submitted should be PSD. Feel free to submit designs in other file formats. I think vector style images in Adobe Illustrator are pretty nice if you know how to use the program. Any design with vector quality format would be ideal and graciously accepted.

Thank you NewLiberty for your feedback. I learned a few things.

I agree the designs probably should be submitted in a better format, however that would also limit the number of people that can submit designs. The nicer coins will be made from hand sculpted dies and die struck, so the format of the artwork won't matter too much.

However, I am making a cheaper version that I'm pretty sure the mold was CNCed, so I might see the effects you described. The coins are so small, I am hoping any defects won't be too noticeable. The nicer coins I'm not worried about, they should be really pretty.  

Thanks again!

YAY!  More physical coins.    I love it.

If you can accept some friendly advice from someone that does coin designs, minting and manufacturing and has studied numismatics for 40 years, your submission requirements are going to limit the result unnecessarily.  There are a lot of things that are being missed here.  By using a BW -> CADCAM -> CNC input with no gradation in the die-cutting, The end result will be sharp and angular rather than topographically organic, mechanical rather than soothing and friendly.

This is fine for a collectible medallion that is stored in a box or bureau, but sharp things on coins in pockets, purses and wallets tend to cut them and wear on them. The last thing someone wants is a coin that cuts a hole in their pocket and escapes.

There are also many other features that the submission spec prevents.  There are gradations in frosting with everything from mirror finish to a non-reflective frost, edge lettering, dished fields, and also avoids some of the advanced techniques to prevent the tamper-evident hacking displayed at the last DefCon against the Casascius pieces.

The very best coins these days are sculpted and 3d digitized rather than computer derived, though the computer design is a great way to sort through a bunch of ideas.

I look forward to an amazing result in any case, and wish you the best of luck with it.

Lol, that is a good idea. I'm all for it.. the more designs the merrier.

I'm going to have to draw the line at 5 BTC though. It is already a little more than I'd like to spend.. I just wanted to entice people to make designs so there would be plenty of options to choose from.

Good luck

There is quite a bit of assumptions in this above wall of text.

Of course CH has opted to ignore me rather than deal me head on. I wonder why asking a simple question got him so riled up about courts and suing? He made a claim, I called him on it, and he obviously can't prove his claim. Really simple.

One thing I've learned is not to make absolutely bold statements you can't back up with actual proof. This is a prime example of this.

Oh well. Good luck to him.  

 It is more like 'if we win I will pay you 250 bucks' to some designer who doesnt know anything about bitcoins , after that if I win I will get 5+ and actually pay 250+ to him/her

 Also , how much more we could get if we only want bitcoins and nothing else?

I suppose that is OK, but there is no guarantee you will win so it is pretty much gambling. 

Mine is bigger. 

 If we dont want any credit and no free physical coins , can we get an up on that 5 btc bounty? I am seriously considering paying someone else to do this and take commission so every penny helps

Can't we all just get along?  

EDIT: it's like a pissing contest in here 

Whatever.

I wouldn't of said it if I didn't truly believe it. The fact of the matter is, I think if Smoothie could reveal his security measures, then my statement would be proven correct. However, that is not going to happen so it is a moot point. That is why I told him to take me to court for defamation... because that is the only way either of us will reveal all of the security features of our holograms. I'm not trying to be a dick, but it is what it is.

Also I never stated other products are not secure. All I said was my holograms will likely have more security features than theirs. Even the most basic holograms are inherently counterfeit deterrent, the extra features I'm adding is basically overkill. I believe my statement to be true due to the sheer amount of security features I am implementing. Smoothie was in a rush to beat me to market for his coin. I've had months now of talking to companies, getting quotes, and doing research. I feel confident in my statement that my hologram will be more counterfeit deterrent, and I do not take it back because I truly believe it.

The fact of the matter is, I think Smoothie is threatened by me and my company. Possibly he thinks part of his market share could go down.. which is a possibility I don't know. He is also probably angry that I'm not charging the insane Casascius/Lealana mark up... me (and others developing physical coins) are going to highlight how insane of a mark up they are charging. With Smoothie posting here, it is personal for him obviously. So he had to find one little thing to make a big deal about and smear my name about it. I never even mentioned him or Lealana, for all he knew I was talking about Casascius or .

Waiting for you to back them up.

Of course you are now ignoring me thus negating your ability to prove your claims. Typical.

1. Make a statement you can't backup.

2. Get called out on it.

3. Try to get the questioning party to prove it (even without the burden of proof).

4. Then it is pointed out that the burden lies with you.

5. Claim courts need to come into the picture as well as hit my ignore button because I am "harassing" you.

You win. Your claims are unfounded and unproven. But yet you made them.

Good luck. 

Stop being a total DICK....you have gone ahead an CANNED other peoples products that they are "NOT SECURE" on no basis of fact

You get called on this and its "SUE ME" go on you cant prove anything ...you sound exactly like BFL..  

ok cool will sent you a draft till end of the week ...

Thx

No deadline as of yet.  

I will review the submissions in about a week and then decide whether to continue it for longer or not.

I can back up the statements Smoothie. However, proving it is dependent upon you suing me for defamation and by trial. Get your lawyer and I'll prove it to you. Until then, simply stfu. What are you going to do? Call the forum police for me making a statement that I honestly believe is true?

You obviously have special interests. You bumped all 4 threads I have on bitcointalk.org and on litecoin forums as well just to quote this conversation and tell the world. I hope you realize it is silly and hope you are proud of yourself. You are obviously trying to harm me and my business, from now on consider yourself ignored. This is a stupid argument and you're making it out to be a huge deal like a 2 year old.

Go ahead, get the last word in. I won't respond...  

No wonder why that ignore sign is bright orange. I've always tolerated you Smoothie, but now you're just harassing me and I'm done with you.

ok cool .. is there any deadline for upload drafts ..?

I think I made my point pretty clear without trying to bring the rest of the world into the situation. You made claims you can't backup. The burden of proof is on you given you made the claims. I only questioned them.

Simple as that.