Topic: [CLOSED] Ophion Signature Campaign - page 2. (Read 7552 times)

Hey Noteak apparently you sent funds back so that the cheater promised to pay the active investors .I was an investor too and haven't got jack shit.Just avoid taking risks from future ,I can't blame it on ya but if you would have cared to read the accusation you would know what the master plan was.

Well... this does make the situation better, since you were put in charge of only handling the campaign funds.  I agree that everyone makes mistakes, but it's just that when you are deemed an escrow of something like this, then you are put to a much higher regard and should never ever make those mistakes.  Escrows need to always make sure they fully understand both sides of an argument before making a decision to send funds somewhere, not to read up on one side of the argument at 1 am and then send all the funds to said person without seeing what the other people have to say.

I'll remove the negative trust, but I'll still keep it on there neutrally to "keep it on the record".

Thanks notaek for your effort , and i confirm receiving the payment now.
I am really sorry that you paid out from your own pocket, but as you noticed everyone make mistakes, and we learn from our mistakes usually.

So here's the finalization of the mess:

I made a mistake in returning the funds to scammer instead of waiting for the next day. ( I received the email at 1 am and took the decision soon after)

All the pending payments are hereby cleared: b97205dbdda3f7f87ff8817448fb57606553b9b1b4c861c0fb3f8e0054b941d6

Those who were not eligible for payment also received $1 as compensation: 6584f7b04062dd123a3a1dd69226e71e9a27c865e9939566cb976dd940116e0a

Everyone makes mistakes at some point of time. Learning from a mistake is what makes oneself sensible.
And insulting always isn't a perfect solution to a problem.

I haven't left at all but my work was done the moment the 1 btc was returned.

If I had called the shots on that money then everyone would have gotten 0.025 regardless of the amount of posts and quality, just to solve the situation.

I can not decide about any other funds. If Notaek will pay from his personal money then that's very generous of him and he should decide himself who deserves what amount.  

Replied everyone that PM'd me past days with the proper information so will not agree with some statements here.

I would like to say thank you noetk I have received my bitcoins in a very short period. I got the btc that I was owed here.
https://blockchain.info/tx/b97205dbdda3f7f87ff8817448fb57606553b9b1b4c861c0fb3f8e0054b941d6

Mr Lutpin. I understand you , but I want to explain something , we don't want the escrow to pay us for the posts that have been made after the campaign was halted , we just want to get paid for our posts that made until the time of halting , so if I have listed 12 of 10 or ...
Posts until that date ,we get paid for them .
Summary : it is fair to ignore 15 posts minimum rule as you ignored other rule . I appreciate your work , but that will be fair for all participants .

Obviously, you didn't read what I was saying.
The question was whether or not to pay those users that didn't post 2 or 3 times in the official thread.
Not paying them would have been a cheaper solution for notaek, but as far as I know, he will opt for paying them anyway.
He has no obligation to do so.

The campaign manager seems to be gone.
He abandoned this campaign at the moment the runners called the quit, not caring for you guys left behind.
He could have helped us over here, but he chose not to.

I stopped counting all posts after the following posts by the campaign manager (who was still acting as one during that time):

It's clear he stopped/paused the campaign at this point (in consent with the advertisers), which is why I don't think there should be an obligation for notaek to pay posts after this (out of his own pocket).

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I'm suggesting how to proceed based on my view from the outside.
I don't have a say in this, it's fully up to notaek.

I don't think a discussion between participants "which rule to follow" is going to bring us anywhere.

Posts after May 20, 2016, 08:50:28 AM don't count and I'm just saying that 1 liners shouldn't be counted as posts As they generally don't.have much info.

I made 15 posts and 1 post 1 line
but I do not look  the terms min characters in this campaign

Obviously he would say yes to that since it would cost less.

As far as it goes to the min post rule of 15 / 3 post rule it's obvious that the terms of the campaign have changed, being forced to be stopped early. Which makes it hard to find a satisfactory solution.
On one hand rules are rules and if you follow the rules  strictly it would be clear that the deadline and counting of the post should be tomorrow.



The campaign manager did set out rules for us

During the confusement of closing the threads members (like me for example) were not sure as to what would happen nor could post from friday morning into the main thread).
I did post 2 times in the thread but was waiting for a better discussion since users were spamming (WOW what a great coin and that kind of rubbish. Which the team didn't like.)

So what is fair in this regard? Opinions are good and should be considered but at the end of a project it's not the opinion of third party's that count, but the rules that were set out.

I think we all agree this mess should be be over with ASAP.

BTW. What's seems odd is that you would not count post made on 20/5? Wasn't the campaign last to this Sunday?

EDIT
There can be 2 options really
1 Either follow the rules strictly and with that take all rules in regard and count (re-count) the post tomorrow, with a new 'temporary' OPHION thread Or use the signature thread since that's the only thread left now
2 Or make a balance today of the post and have a discussion about which rules to follow and which rules not.

No you did not make the post quota anyway thanks for offering the investors.

I don't think 1 liners should be counted as posts though as they are often contain little information pertaining to the topic and are just useless tidbits some people can make 1 liners work but not everyone.

Hi OP
If I have any payments in this campaign I wanted to give it back to them (investors)
I will remove signatures Now thank  

If I was to take post quality into account, almost none of you would have made the quota (according to my standards).
Since this wasn't my campaign to manage though, I opted for the pure quantity way, as that one is more objective.

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Again, my spreadsheet is just a suggestion, based on my views and my thoughts on how to continue.
It's up to notaek to decide if he wants to go through with it or go down another path.

In actually they are two days , Luptin didn't count my yesterday's posts , and there are same cases for other members , but for sure no one knew that the campaign will halt , we didn't break the rules because the rule say 15 posts minimum in all the week , even they ignored other rule , so why they didn't ignore this rule also to be fair ?
In my opinion all participants must be paid due to their post's quality not to their post's number .

For the 13/15 posts minimum, it's not going to make a difference. Those who failed the quota failed with 12 or less posts, hence none of them will switch from unpaid to paid when taking the factor into account (I checked that previously myself).
As for the 3 post rule, honestly, I think this was a bullshit rule, that's why I ignored it in my sheet. However, the decision is up to notaek, which I told him when he asked for my advice regarding the rule.

In my opinion that's honestly the best way to do it. Why pay for people who didn't even get enough posts in the ophion thread in 6 days.Were they just gonna spam 3 posts in the option thread on the last day.

If I'm notaek I would personally apply every single rule in the campaign with a pro rated number as far as posts. Campaign was halted 1 day short of payday. Basically you'd need 2.15 posts on average per day so on 6 days you would need 12.9 posts to qualify and 2 posts in main thread. Anyone who didnt get at least these qualifications would get 0 payment IMO.

Of course this is just how I would do it. Notaek will handle it how he feels is proper.

Okay , so I am not eligible to be paid , because I have only 12 posts , although the campaign was halted before it completes one week , the rules say ( 15 post minimum/ week ) , but you ignored other rule which is ( 3 posts in OPH thread ) , I want to ask why you ingnored one rule and kept other . any way you are campaign's manager , and know a lot about those things , but if all participants accepted this spreadsheet ,I don't want to make other problem here , I will respect your decision .

Good work Lutpin and Noteak.For people having issues with post counts,welcome to anti-spamming part of the forum,Lutpin would tech ya!

@BtcCat : Still waiting for you to jump off your ego and be remorseful about the situation.You literally took off after your part of the payment given no attention to the work you were suppose to do.Very unethical behavior in my opinion.