Mr.notaek said that he want spreadsheet of members so he can determine who is he gonna pay i think thats reasonable for escrow so he can fix the problem.
Dont say sorry to the members theres escrow fixing things.
Topic: [CLOSED] Ophion Signature Campaign - page 4. (Read 7552 times)
I'm around and will never leave or avoid a situation like this. Only here in Netherlands it's was nighttime and just waking up to the responses.
I was against the decision of the escrow. He only listened to Hazelnutter and did not concidder all who did the signature tasks. This is exactly the purpose of having an escrow to be neutral towards both sides. With having no funds this campaign has ended.
This is my only account I work with so I'm not the escrow or any other person that was involved with Ophion. I've had contact with Ophion only since last week.
It seems hostility from people that lost money comes this way but you are barking against the wrong trees. I never even had control over any funds and it's not my project. My Twitter account has nothing to do with this, it's suspended because I have too many automated crypto news.
Talking about a spreadsheet, usually I would keep such records just for managing purpose in private. All the information is in the thread, who applied, their Bitcoin address and posts can be counted. Without having the 1 btc funds it has become meaningless to even produce it. If someone like the escrow is willing to pay out of pocket then all the info's are here.
Sorry to the people that have signed up and did not get paid.
I was against the decision of the escrow. He only listened to Hazelnutter and did not concidder all who did the signature tasks. This is exactly the purpose of having an escrow to be neutral towards both sides. With having no funds this campaign has ended.
This is my only account I work with so I'm not the escrow or any other person that was involved with Ophion. I've had contact with Ophion only since last week.
It seems hostility from people that lost money comes this way but you are barking against the wrong trees. I never even had control over any funds and it's not my project. My Twitter account has nothing to do with this, it's suspended because I have too many automated crypto news.
Talking about a spreadsheet, usually I would keep such records just for managing purpose in private. All the information is in the thread, who applied, their Bitcoin address and posts can be counted. Without having the 1 btc funds it has become meaningless to even produce it. If someone like the escrow is willing to pay out of pocket then all the info's are here.
Sorry to the people that have signed up and did not get paid.
I think you should make the spreadsheet because you are the campaign manager? and send it to the escrow of this campaign, then it's escrow's responsibility to pay the participants.
I'm around and will never leave or avoid a situation like this. Only here in Netherlands it's was nighttime and just waking up to the responses.
I was against the decision of the escrow. He only listened to Hazelnutter and did not concidder all who did the signature tasks. This is exactly the purpose of having an escrow to be neutral towards both sides. With having no funds this campaign has ended.
This is my only account I work with so I'm not the escrow or any other person that was involved with Ophion. I've had contact with Ophion only since last week.
It seems hostility from people that lost money comes this way but you are barking against the wrong trees. I never even had control over any funds and it's not my project. My Twitter account has nothing to do with this, it's suspended because I have too many automated crypto news.
Talking about a spreadsheet, usually I would keep such records just for managing purpose in private. All the information is in the thread, who applied, their Bitcoin address and posts can be counted. Without having the 1 btc funds it has become meaningless to even produce it. If someone like the escrow is willing to pay out of pocket then all the info's are here.
Sorry to the people that have signed up and did not get paid.
I was against the decision of the escrow. He only listened to Hazelnutter and did not concidder all who did the signature tasks. This is exactly the purpose of having an escrow to be neutral towards both sides. With having no funds this campaign has ended.
This is my only account I work with so I'm not the escrow or any other person that was involved with Ophion. I've had contact with Ophion only since last week.
It seems hostility from people that lost money comes this way but you are barking against the wrong trees. I never even had control over any funds and it's not my project. My Twitter account has nothing to do with this, it's suspended because I have too many automated crypto news.
Talking about a spreadsheet, usually I would keep such records just for managing purpose in private. All the information is in the thread, who applied, their Bitcoin address and posts can be counted. Without having the 1 btc funds it has become meaningless to even produce it. If someone like the escrow is willing to pay out of pocket then all the info's are here.
Sorry to the people that have signed up and did not get paid.
I will not take off my signature until I didnt getting paid i cannot do archieve cause im only using smart phone i will not post outside this thread then hope the issue will be cleared out tomorrows payday.
i'm also remove the signature and here's my archive as a proof
http://archive.is/tor0a
http://archive.is/tor0a
I also remove the signature campaign and waiting to get payment too.
Quote from: notaek link=topic=1472638.msg14915320#msg14915320
It was the signed message, which I'm afraid had me convinced to return the funds.
I apologise for not being sensible enough with my decicion but all I can do now is to partially payout the participants from the service fee he sent me.
How much exactly did he pay you and how much is owed to participants? What is going to happen with the difference?
Exactly this. Which Signature manager (which he is) would ever do this or allow this?
What the hell going on here? How notaek can do this even he knows that very well 40 participants worn the signature from 1 week and yesterday is the payment day..
Notaek you don't suppose to help a scammer here. if the funds were escrowed by you you are responsible to pay us now.
Edit: I am removing my signature after archiving my profile and posts link(suggested by Lutpin,) I hope I'll get payment too..
Profile Link: http://archive.is/C2ikh
Posts Link: http://archive.is/Q16lh
Notaek you don't suppose to help a scammer here. if the funds were escrowed by you you are responsible to pay us now.
Edit: I am removing my signature after archiving my profile and posts link(suggested by Lutpin,) I hope I'll get payment too..
Profile Link: http://archive.is/C2ikh
Posts Link: http://archive.is/Q16lh
An escrow is supposed to protect both sides, which u didn't do in this case. It is the escrows fault to refund the coins, without knowing sbout the rest of the situation. If I don't receive the 0.025btc, either the scammers are going to give me that, which not is going to happen, or the escrow has to pay everyone since he was so stupid to refund the coins. If the escrow decides to not do anything, say goodbye to your trust level.
Edit:
Profile: https://web.archive.org/web/20160521065846/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=301282
Posts: https://web.archive.org/web/20160521065238/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=301282;sa=showPosts
Edit:
Profile: https://web.archive.org/web/20160521065846/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=301282
Posts: https://web.archive.org/web/20160521065238/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=301282;sa=showPosts
I don't think BTcat will come here and make any spreadsheet. I think Notaet should take this responsibility and count all posts and pay them..
Notaek did a rally unexpected mistake.. he's very experience person and he shouldn't do this..
Notaek did a rally unexpected mistake.. he's very experience person and he shouldn't do this..
Quote from: notaek link=topic=1472638.msg14915320#msg14915320
It was the signed message, which I'm afraid had me convinced to return the funds.
I apologise for not being sensible enough with my decicion but all I can do now is to partially payout the participants from the service fee he sent me.
How much exactly did he pay you and how much is owed to participants? What is going to happen with the difference?
I need a spreadsheet ASAP! Where's BTCat?
Witch hunting will lead you into nothing.
Witch hunting will lead you into nothing.
BTCAT is no where , hes gone, It was fraud from the start. He never make spreadsheet and never check quality of the posters.
So it was from his point of view the biggest fraud.
But i smell a much greater fraud in Signature Campaign as it has given a way to other think on the same ways.
See and wait for another better Fraud coming soon
Btcat must answer this allegation and he must online know to give the spreadsheet to notaek so it will be resolve as soon as possible so they can protect the participants right to be payed.
But theres nothing we can do now since btcat is offline for now To resolve the issue for this problem.
But theres nothing we can do now since btcat is offline for now To resolve the issue for this problem.
I need a spreadsheet ASAP! Where's BTCat?
Witch hunting will lead you into nothing.
Witch hunting will lead you into nothing.
i think he will come soon and pay us
So what do the members on DT think about all of this shenanigans?
I'm currently waiting on BTCat to come forward and join the discussion over here.I've contacted notaek via PM (right after he posted that email) and from my judgement, he doesn't seem like a scammer,
but rather like a guy who did a big mistake and is now trying to sort out the aftermath.
I've been asked for (/and offered) my help with that, but more regarding this later.
Based on all the above, I don't think it's necessary to issue a negative feedback on notaek (yet), others might disagree though.
So what do the members on DT think about all of this shenanigans? Looks like Notaek 1) Made a boneheaded mistake, or 2) Is bullshitting and is a scammer. I only see the one negative trust in a sea of positive trust. I know it's hard to believe someone would ruin all of that for so little, but you know we've seen it happen before.
This is very interesting to read, bitcoin-hunter is a bit hard on some people, but with full right in my opinion.
I think situation was pretty clear with this campaign, when they shut down everything, escrow should give that money to people from campaign. I don`t know how manager of campaign is paid, but he also need to fight for justice here. At least that will help him with reputation here. What to think now about people who needs to protect us from scammers?
I think situation was pretty clear with this campaign, when they shut down everything, escrow should give that money to people from campaign. I don`t know how manager of campaign is paid, but he also need to fight for justice here. At least that will help him with reputation here. What to think now about people who needs to protect us from scammers?
LOL how am I hard. I am just stating facts. Notaek and BTCat followed the scammers just to easily. To a sense which doesn't make it realistic.
Thing is they both are dealing in signature, escrow etc. so they should never and, I repeat, never be in a position to trust funds or be responsible of funds.
This is real money and we are dealing with adults. Adults are the ones who should take responsibility for their actions right?
Look at the facts and think again, Am I too hard, Is this a witchhunt?
No/ Nein/ Non, I just lost some money of this signature campaign. 10 dollars. Don't worry I will survive that
But like I said above, the reason I do this is that people like them who support scammers, should never be able to do it again...Suppose?
This is very interesting to read, bitcoin-hunter is a bit hard on some people, but with full right in my opinion.
I think situation was pretty clear with this campaign, when they shut down everything, escrow should give that money to people from campaign. I don`t know how manager of campaign is paid, but he also need to fight for justice here. At least that will help him with reputation here. What to think now about people who needs to protect us from scammers?
I think situation was pretty clear with this campaign, when they shut down everything, escrow should give that money to people from campaign. I don`t know how manager of campaign is paid, but he also need to fight for justice here. At least that will help him with reputation here. What to think now about people who needs to protect us from scammers?
I think escrow on sig cam
p is to ensure that the participants got paid by his service but now escrow here lost its function
p is to ensure that the participants got paid by his service but now escrow here lost its function
Yeah. People lost money and there will be end to that story.
Other people lost through an incompetent escrow and so called manager.
Since the escrow Notaek was at fault more (money) and Notaek start to blame BTCat for a missing list:
I need a spreadsheet ASAP! Where's BTCat?
Witch hunting will lead you into nothing.
Witch hunting will lead you into nothing.
Which is crazy since a list will give you nothing. Check the OP and count down to page 3 where you find applicants.. idiot!
The scammers did cover some tracks, but you my idiot friend, you did not cover well enough.
I need a spreadsheet ASAP! Where's BTCat?
Witch hunting will lead you into nothing.
Witch hunting will lead you into nothing.
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