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Topic: [CLOSED] S.DICE - SatoshiDICE 100% Dividend-Paying Asset on MPEx - page 47. (Read 316442 times)

hero member
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If you buy BTCGOOG today and sell next year for a 0.00000001% more you have certainly made a gain - the risk has ended with your divestment and turns out to have been 0% (in that case).

No - just because something there was a risk of didn't happen does NOT equate to the risk having been zero.

If you bet on a coin-flip being tails, I flip the coin and it comes up tails that does NOT mean that the risk of heads coming was 0%.  Same for any other risk - it failing to occur doesn't mean it never existed.

Similarly consider if you invest in 1000 absolutely identical (as far as all available information indicates) securities believing it likely there is a 10% risk of failure for each of them then 200 fail.  That does NOT mean there was a 0% risk on 800 of them and a 100% risk on 200.  It tends to suggest there was a 20% risk of failure on ALL of them.

Now it COULD be argued that everything is predetermined and so the ones that failed were always going to fail etc.  But whilst an interesting philosophical point it's entirely useless for practical purposes.  We have to deal with risk that we can quantify/measure/estimate in advance - and collapsing that to either 0 or 1 based on results is only useful if there's some measurable (in advance) factor that can be used in future such assessments.  If the real risk is only definable at all in hind-sight then we have to group together securities/whatever with a similar visible profile anyway.
hero member
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0.0000001% is not attractive at all and would clearly kill the traded value of the stock.
She probably wasn't being literal, just pointing out that any rate of gain is "a good thing". Not necessarily good enough in any situation.

Something like that. It's true that risk sets a minimum, but in fiat where risk + inflation together set the minimum. So logically we'll see lower minimums.

There's also an important difference between risk (which is discrete) and inflation (which is diffuse), in the following sense: if you buy GOOG today and sell next year for a 0.00000001% more you have certainly made a loss (because inflation). If you buy BTCGOOG today and sell next year for a 0.00000001% more you have certainly made a gain - the risk has ended with your divestment and turns out to have been 0% (in that case).

Obviously BTC inflation is still significant atm, but once block rewards halve a few more times that will change.
hero member
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0.0000001% is not attractive at all and would clearly kill the traded value of the stock.
She probably wasn't being literal, just pointing out that any rate of gain is "a good thing". Not necessarily good enough in any situation.
hero member
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Hard to call it in the future, but still, in a deflationary currency any %, even 0.0000001% is a good thing. I've heard calls for negative interest rates (which obviously can't work in practice, but you get the idea).

Can't really see rates THAT low being attractive.  Risk sets a lower-bound on the acceptable rate.  So for even a rate of 1% per year to be acceptable you have to be confident there's a less than 1%/year chance of default/failure for it to be better to invest than keep coins in cold storage.  At that rate you're already into the area where lack of a deadman's switch would be sufficient to make investment in something unattractive (average life-expectancy being under 100 years).
hero member
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They didn't touch any $$ so for US is not gambling ? (i'm right ?)

Afaik this is correct.

The biggest risk for my in the next years is a BTC at +500$. Which would divide by 50 the revenue/volume (in fiat) since i bought the shares

If you're familiar with how bonds work, the valuating factor is demand not interest offered. If in the next years BTC is at 500+ it's conceivable that pure BTC revenue streams become a lot rarer and thus a lot more valuable. Hard to call it in the future, but still, in a deflationary currency any %, even 0.0000001% is a good thing. I've heard calls for negative interest rates (which obviously can't work in practice, but you get the idea).
sr. member
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Also Erik resides in US if I understand correctly

I seem to have read he is not US resident anymore, or on his way   *can't find the post after quick search so i'm not 100%


I noticed a change on his Facebook account, plus a few nice pictures of his new place. Inspiring, IMHO.
sr. member
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because I discovered the other one is even better.

Good luck with that atm

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Also Erik resides in US if I understand correctly

I seem to have read he is not US resident anymore, or on his way   *can't find the post after quick search so i'm not 100%

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I experience gov shutdown as the biggest uncertainty/risk

With FINCEN, i thinks they're ok. They didn't touch any $$ so for US is not gambling ? (i'm right ?)

The biggest risk for my in the next years is a BTC at +500$. Which would divide by 50 the revenue/volume (in fiat) since i bought the shares
hero member
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SDICE profit is gonna be all delicious donuts this month.
vip
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So someone won "lessthan 1" again.  Only the min bet this time, 0.01 BTC -> 640 BTC.  But that pretty much finishes off the profits for the month.

    http://www.satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=44a7e34a

    https://i.imgur.com/PKM3G3O.png
And SDICE might have a loss requiring a carryover.
hero member
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WTF???
What "say 0.038" are you on about?

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[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00320003 / 0.00433909 / 0.00559697 (56642 shares, 245.78 BTC), 7D: 0.00320003 / 0.00449755 / 0.0058822 (343788 shares, 1,546.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00587057 / 0.00673999 (2388432 shares, 14,021.48 BTC)

It is valued at 0.043 on the day's average (56k shares) or 0.0058 on the month's average (2.4mn shares).

What 0.043 are you on about?  Wink

I lost a zero because it looked like a donut and I ated it.  Undecided

Basic math was never really one of the forums strong points.
hero member
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What "say 0.038" are you on about?

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[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00320003 / 0.00433909 / 0.00559697 (56642 shares, 245.78 BTC), 7D: 0.00320003 / 0.00449755 / 0.0058822 (343788 shares, 1,546.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00587057 / 0.00673999 (2388432 shares, 14,021.48 BTC)

It is valued at 0.043 on the day's average (56k shares) or 0.0058 on the month's average (2.4mn shares).

What 0.043 are you on about?  Wink

I lost a zero because it looked like a donut and I ated it.  Undecided
legendary
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So someone won "lessthan 1" again.  Only the min bet this time, 0.01 BTC -> 640 BTC.  But that pretty much finishes off the profits for the month.

    http://www.satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=44a7e34a

    https://i.imgur.com/PKM3G3O.png
hero member
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What "say 0.038" are you on about?

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[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00320003 / 0.00433909 / 0.00559697 (56642 shares, 245.78 BTC), 7D: 0.00320003 / 0.00449755 / 0.0058822 (343788 shares, 1,546.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00587057 / 0.00673999 (2388432 shares, 14,021.48 BTC)

It is valued at 0.043 on the day's average (56k shares) or 0.0058 on the month's average (2.4mn shares).

What 0.043 are you on about?  Wink

Read the quote you are replying to?

Check the order of magnitude maybe?
hero member
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What "say 0.038" are you on about?

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[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00320003 / 0.00433909 / 0.00559697 (56642 shares, 245.78 BTC), 7D: 0.00320003 / 0.00449755 / 0.0058822 (343788 shares, 1,546.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00587057 / 0.00673999 (2388432 shares, 14,021.48 BTC)

It is valued at 0.043 on the day's average (56k shares) or 0.0058 on the month's average (2.4mn shares).

What 0.043 are you on about?  Wink

Read the quote you are replying to?

You read the quote you're replying to!

 Cheesy
hero member
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WTF???
Are you counting since the ipo at 0.0064? It is valued now at say 0.038, so indeed that is about -40%.

I have the impression more has been bought than 1-2k btc volume. I estimate Havelock alone has bought more on mpex since the ipo of 0.0064 ?

What "IPO of 0.0064" are you on about? The asset page is here. Did you happen to ever look at it? Says quite clearly

How much capital does sdice have for that currently?

If you go by how much was actually raised so far through selling shares, about 50k BTC. If you go by how much could be raised by selling more shares who knows, probably a degree of magnitude more than that. There's another 60-70k that the site produced as total net revenue so far.

In other words: some guy winning half a million dollars on a lucky spin does not make a dent. There's fewer than half a dozen corps in Bitcoin that can make this sort of payout, and S.DICE is one of them. This is a big deal.

Basic math was never really one of the forums strong points.
hero member
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
What "say 0.038" are you on about?

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[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00320003 / 0.00433909 / 0.00559697 (56642 shares, 245.78 BTC), 7D: 0.00320003 / 0.00449755 / 0.0058822 (343788 shares, 1,546.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00587057 / 0.00673999 (2388432 shares, 14,021.48 BTC)

It is valued at 0.043 on the day's average (56k shares) or 0.0058 on the month's average (2.4mn shares).

What 0.043 are you on about?  Wink

Read the quote you are replying to?

Edit: OK, I just noticed people lost a decimal point. Maybe I need to get a bigger monitor, it is easy to miss stuff like that especially in the smaller font of a quote block.
legendary
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What "say 0.038" are you on about?

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[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00320003 / 0.00433909 / 0.00559697 (56642 shares, 245.78 BTC), 7D: 0.00320003 / 0.00449755 / 0.0058822 (343788 shares, 1,546.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00587057 / 0.00673999 (2388432 shares, 14,021.48 BTC)

It is valued at 0.043 on the day's average (56k shares) or 0.0058 on the month's average (2.4mn shares).

What 0.043 are you on about?  Wink
hero member
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Are you counting since the ipo at 0.0064? It is valued now at say 0.038, so indeed that is about -40%.

I have the impression more has been bought than 1-2k btc volume. I estimate Havelock alone has bought more on mpex since the ipo of 0.0064 ?

What "IPO of 0.0064" are you on about? The asset page is here. Did you happen to ever look at it? Says quite clearly

How much capital does sdice have for that currently?

If you go by how much was actually raised so far through selling shares, about 50k BTC. If you go by how much could be raised by selling more shares who knows, probably a degree of magnitude more than that. There's another 60-70k that the site produced as total net revenue so far.

In other words: some guy winning half a million dollars on a lucky spin does not make a dent. There's fewer than half a dozen corps in Bitcoin that can make this sort of payout, and S.DICE is one of them. This is a big deal.
sr. member
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This bull will try to shake you off. Hold tight!
Think anyone with half a brain knows it's the expected profits that matter not the actual results (unless there's reason to believe double-spend or something is happening).  Of course that (people with a half a brain) is only a small minority of members here.

Looking at the charts - S.DICE lost about 40% off its peak on something like 1-2k BTC volume. That's less than 5% of the third party holdings, and probably a good estimate for about half the "small investors" that have access to it.

It could be that the smalltimers/shorttermers panicked already and left (at a discount - of course). The whales don't seem to be moving. On this theory the price will remain depressed while the longer term players absorb the short term players' holdings as cheaply as possible, after which trade freezes/price explodes because nobody's selling.

Just a theory, I like armchairing as much as the next gal.

Are you counting since the ipo at 0.0064? It is valued now at say 0.038, so indeed that is about -40%.

I have the impression more has been bought than 1-2k btc volume. I estimate Havelock alone has bought more on mpex since the ipo of 0.0064 ?

sr. member
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If I were running SD, I'd seriously consider getting rid of the less than 1,2,4,8 bets.

The amount bet on these odds (thanks to the dooglus charts!) is so small compared to the approx. even money bets, but the
variance introduced is huge.

Unless the wins can be used for marketing and promotion...
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