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Quote from: Vega on July 09, 2014, 05:20:25 AM

Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 05:10:18 AM

I did leave but i came back to lol at the quote above about auction buyers. money allows you to cheat

This would be all right, if we could look at it, as a step after IPO and before active trading.
NEM is also going to hold a (huge) auction, before launch. (Or they were planning to, I'm not following NEM actively.)

The problem is, there was an auction... then talk about another auction. Then now this with puppets, no clear mechanism what happens to coins from puppets.

It's a mess. As I said before, devs suck at this. One bad public relation decision after another. How did they think that doing puppet removal this way would not result in this war in the topic is a mystery to me.

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But remeber its a moderated thread it will all disapear lol

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Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 05:10:18 AM

I did leave but i came back to lol at the quote above about auction buyers. money allows you to cheat

This would be all right, if we could look at it, as a step after IPO and before active trading.
NEM is also going to hold a (huge) auction, before launch. (Or they were planning to, I'm not following NEM actively.)

The problem is, there was an auction... then talk about another auction. Then now this with puppets, no clear mechanism what happens to coins from puppets.

It's a mess. As I said before, devs suck at this. One bad public relation decision after another. How did they think that doing puppet removal this way would not result in this war in the topic is a mystery to me.

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 05:06:24 AM

Quote from: Simakki on July 09, 2014, 05:03:22 AM

Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 04:57:13 AM

Quote from: Simakki on July 09, 2014, 04:51:18 AM

Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:45:08 AM

I think alot of people have grown tired of the effort that is involved in keeping on track of this coin. i mean how many ann pages? how many times did you have to check the list to see of you were still on it. checking your not puppeted? and the more distributed this coin becomes the less roi you will get. Not much new money comes this way so if everyone has a stake whos buying a stake?

IMO: more sockpuppets they found, more node to regular stakeholders -> better ROI

The problem is that there will be zero ROI if the most valuable members leave the project because of devs. Looks at Nem and Qora. Nem hasn't been launched but has a value and trading volume because of the community. Qora is launched, has an original source, implemented voting system and name trading service but the price and trading volume are low because of lack of active members. With every new devs' decision Node comes closer and closer to Qora. This puppet hunting might become the last drop. People's patience is not limitless.

Not so simple, many of these sockpuppets are real and if they are allowed, I'm quite sure that these guys are more willing to dump than guys with just one stake.

If someone has 20-30 stakes he'll probably dump some. But I see no difference with having 1 or 3 or even 5 stakes. For now the largest number of coins have guys who won the auction.

I did leave but i came back to lol at the quote above about auction buyers. money allows you to cheat

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Quote from: Eadeqa on July 09, 2014, 05:04:22 AM

Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 05:02:05 AM

It has nothing to do with puppets. If someone has a lot of coins it doesn't mean he is gonna dump them. Nas and Nxt are good examples. Some people have tens of millions coins in Nxt and hundreds of millions in Nas but they are not dumping. I've got lots of Qora and Sim, but instead of dumping I'm buying. Btw the same with Nem. There are tens of puppet masters with lots of puppets but they are not dumping.

This is true for Nxt, but the kind of people who create 10s of sock puppets are dumpers, Look at NFD. Perfect example of sock puppet dump avalanche. They are selling lower than original IPO.

What the fuck are you talking about? Go to sleep. Then check IPO and selling prices.

And where did you see 10s of sockpuppets in Node? Most groups have 2-5 people. And I'm sure most of them friends or family or just Tor users.

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Quote from: Simakki on July 09, 2014, 05:03:22 AM

Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 04:57:13 AM

Quote from: Simakki on July 09, 2014, 04:51:18 AM

Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:45:08 AM

I think alot of people have grown tired of the effort that is involved in keeping on track of this coin. i mean how many ann pages? how many times did you have to check the list to see of you were still on it. checking your not puppeted? and the more distributed this coin becomes the less roi you will get. Not much new money comes this way so if everyone has a stake whos buying a stake?

IMO: more sockpuppets they found, more node to regular stakeholders -> better ROI

The problem is that there will be zero ROI if the most valuable members leave the project because of devs. Looks at Nem and Qora. Nem hasn't been launched but has a value and trading volume because of the community. Qora is launched, has an original source, implemented voting system and name trading service but the price and trading volume are low because of lack of active members. With every new devs' decision Node comes closer and closer to Qora. This puppet hunting might become the last drop. People's patience is not limitless.

Not so simple, many of these sockpuppets are real and if they are allowed, I'm quite sure that these guys are more willing to dump than guys with just one stake.

If someone has 20-30 stakes he'll probably dump some. But I see no difference with having 1 or 3 or even 5 stakes. For now the largest number of coins have guys who won the auction.

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 05:02:05 AM

It has nothing to do with puppets. If someone has a lot of coins it doesn't mean he is gonna dump them. Nas and Nxt are good examples. Some people have tens of millions coins in Nxt and hundreds of millions in Nas but they are not dumping. I've got lots of Qora and Sim, but instead of dumping I'm buying. Btw the same with Nem. There are tens of puppet masters with lots of puppets but they are not dumping.

This is true for Nxt, but the kind of people who create 10s of sock puppets are dumpers, Look at NFD. Perfect example of sock puppet dump avalanche. They are selling lower than original IPO.

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 04:57:13 AM

Quote from: Simakki on July 09, 2014, 04:51:18 AM

Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:45:08 AM

I think alot of people have grown tired of the effort that is involved in keeping on track of this coin. i mean how many ann pages? how many times did you have to check the list to see of you were still on it. checking your not puppeted? and the more distributed this coin becomes the less roi you will get. Not much new money comes this way so if everyone has a stake whos buying a stake?

IMO: more sockpuppets they found, more node to regular stakeholders -> better ROI

The problem is that there will be zero ROI if the most valuable members leave the project because of devs. Looks at Nem and Qora. Nem hasn't been launched but has a value and trading volume because of the community. Qora is launched, has an original source, implemented voting system and name trading service but the price and trading volume are low because of lack of active members. With every new devs' decision Node comes closer and closer to Qora. This puppet hunting might become the last drop. People's patience is not limitless.

Not so simple, many of these sockpuppets are real and if they are allowed, I'm quite sure that these guys are more willing to dump than guys with just one stake.

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Quote from: Eadeqa on July 09, 2014, 04:53:28 AM

Quote from: Simakki on July 09, 2014, 04:51:18 AM

Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:45:08 AM

I think alot of people have grown tired of the effort that is involved in keeping on track of this coin. i mean how many ann pages? how many times did you have to check the list to see of you were still on it. checking your not puppeted? and the more distributed this coin becomes the less roi you will get. Not much new money comes this way so if everyone has a stake whos buying a stake?

IMO: more sockpuppets they found, more node to regular stakeholders -> better ROI

Sock puppets are bad for coin. Look at NFD. Dumpers are dumping it lower than IPO prices. It will be six months to an year before NFD will recover this dump (if ever).

It has nothing to do with puppets. If someone has a lot of coins it doesn't mean he is gonna dump them. Nas and Nxt are good examples. Some people have tens of millions coins in Nxt and hundreds of millions in Nas but they are not dumping. I've got lots of Qora and Sim, but instead of dumping I'm buying. Btw the same with Nem. There are tens of puppet masters with lots of puppets but they are not dumping.

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The be all and end all of it is.
You cannot have a truly fair distributed coin and still expect to roi its laughable recently with all this fair distro going on lol its like the holy grail it does not exist

Anyways back to nxtforum.org i go. ill let you guys decide what to do with my senior btt account and my housemates newb account.
peace

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Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:55:54 AM

Sock puppets are bad for original stake holders. any one can buy after launch and dump to high heaven

If there aren't large amount of sock puppets, not everyone can buy it as that will increase the prices. It's psychological thing. Someone with 10 sock puppets will immediately dump 5 at any price, and that sets a bad trend that is hard ro recover.

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Quote from: Simakki on July 09, 2014, 04:51:18 AM

Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:45:08 AM

I think alot of people have grown tired of the effort that is involved in keeping on track of this coin. i mean how many ann pages? how many times did you have to check the list to see of you were still on it. checking your not puppeted? and the more distributed this coin becomes the less roi you will get. Not much new money comes this way so if everyone has a stake whos buying a stake?

IMO: more sockpuppets they found, more node to regular stakeholders -> better ROI

The problem is that there will be zero ROI if the most valuable members leave the project because of devs. Looks at Nem and Qora. Nem hasn't been launched but has a value and trading volume because of the community. Qora is launched, has an original source, implemented voting system and name trading service but the price and trading volume are low because of lack of active members. With every new devs' decision Node comes closer and closer to Qora. This puppet hunting might become the last drop. People's patience is not limitless.

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Sock puppets are bad for original stake holders. any one can buy after launch and dump to high heaven
More distributed to more individual people also has a negative effect. Because of limited new money coming into crypto the more sellers there are means less buyers so price will crumble anyways.

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Quote from: Simakki on July 09, 2014, 04:51:18 AM

Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:45:08 AM

I think alot of people have grown tired of the effort that is involved in keeping on track of this coin. i mean how many ann pages? how many times did you have to check the list to see of you were still on it. checking your not puppeted? and the more distributed this coin becomes the less roi you will get. Not much new money comes this way so if everyone has a stake whos buying a stake?

IMO: more sockpuppets they found, more node to regular stakeholders -> better ROI

Sock puppets are bad for coin. Look at NFD. Dumpers are dumping it lower than IPO prices. It will be six months to an year before NFD will recover this dump (if ever).

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Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:45:08 AM

I think alot of people have grown tired of the effort that is involved in keeping on track of this coin. i mean how many ann pages? how many times did you have to check the list to see of you were still on it. checking your not puppeted? and the more distributed this coin becomes the less roi you will get. Not much new money comes this way so if everyone has a stake whos buying a stake?

I agree. I think there is about 80% posts in the last two threads are complaints on different things and fights between users

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Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:45:08 AM

I think alot of people have grown tired of the effort that is involved in keeping on track of this coin. i mean how many ann pages? how many times did you have to check the list to see of you were still on it. checking your not puppeted? and the more distributed this coin becomes the less roi you will get. Not much new money comes this way so if everyone has a stake whos buying a stake?

IMO: more sockpuppets they found, more node to regular stakeholders -> better ROI

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 04:39:27 AM

Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:31:57 AM

i think this coins had it. and thats before i was accused as a puppet. its taken far too long to get the coin out. losing way too mich time on puppets. and the community vibe is down and that makes a coin.

I'm optimist ) Devs changed their decisions before after they saw how many people they pissed off. Now it's just another time to admit that they were wrong with treir "98% efficiency of puppet hunting". Let's see how they proceed today before making any long term statements.

Their efficiency with identifying IPs match is actually 100% .. THey might be referring to same roomate in 2% of cases.

There are number of people (not just me) who asked developers to remove their sock puppets. If they change the rules now, all these accounts should be put back on the list.

I will object if dzarmush is on any kind of panel as he insulted me and have shown idiocy

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I think alot of people have grown tired of the effort that is involved in keeping on track of this coin. i mean how many ann pages? how many times did you have to check the list to see of you were still on it. checking your not puppeted? and the more distributed this coin becomes the less roi you will get. Not much new money comes this way so if everyone has a stake whos buying a stake?

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Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:31:57 AM

i think this coins had it. and thats before i was accused as a puppet. its taken far too long to get the coin out. losing way too mich time on puppets. and the community vibe is down and that makes a coin.

I'm optimist ) Devs changed their decisions before after they saw how many people they pissed off. Now it's just another time to admit that they were wrong with treir "98% efficiency of puppet hunting". Let's see how they proceed today before making any long term statements.

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i think this coins had it. and thats before i was accused as a puppet. its taken far too long to get the coin out. losing way too mich time on puppets. and the community vibe is down and that makes a coin.

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Quote from: timmyd on July 09, 2014, 04:09:42 AM

Quote from: N1ceMan on July 09, 2014, 04:02:57 AM

My account was deleted. Is relatives allowed or not?

Apparantly not dude unless your family member lives in a shed in the garden with a separate ip

I hope devs will read the last few pages, think about it, understood what they've done to the project, listen to common sense, eliminate obvious puppets, leave alone small groups (2-4) of people who paid from different btc/nxt wallets and proceed with coins distribution.

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