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hero member
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September 09, 2012, 07:22:06 AM
Maybe you should use the term "face value" instead of "IPO price"? Or is there a better term?
I believe the interest is based on the original IPO price.

As the prices of the bonds we're trading, change, the funds he has received through IPO/SPO's, have not, assuming his SPO's have also been getting sold at the same price as the IPO was.

All the bond price is after issue, is how much we're willing to buy/sell them amongst ourselves.

-- Smoov
I didn't respond because I wasn't sure bond was the right term and didn't feel like going to see the contract.  However, if this is a bond, then its face value is .1, which also happens to be the IPO price.  It sells for more than face value sometimes because people want to get in on the interest and are willing to pay a premium for the opportunity, but the bond could theoretically be paid off (bought back) at .1 anytime, even if someone had just paid .11 for it.  Also, if it is a bond, it is unsecured, but I suppose that is neither here nor there.
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Scattering my bits around the net since 1980
September 08, 2012, 09:58:18 PM
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.



Maybe you should use the term "face value" instead of "IPO price"? Or is there a better term?
I believe the interest is based on the original IPO price.

As the prices of the bonds we're trading, change, the funds he has received through IPO/SPO's, have not, assuming his SPO's have also been getting sold at the same price as the IPO was.

All the bond price is after issue, is how much we're willing to buy/sell them amongst ourselves.

-- Smoov
hero member
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Merit: 500
September 08, 2012, 07:06:23 PM
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.



Maybe you should use the term "face value" instead of "IPO price"? Or is there a better term?
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
September 05, 2012, 02:57:19 AM
PONZI SCAM

Probably. But at 1% if it survives at least 100 days, or I sell before it collapse, I come out on the plus side anyway.

In Ponzis We Trust (to get in and out quickly).

Does this mean you are going to actively try and find new "marks" ?  If you know its a ponzi and participate anyway you are willingly getting involved in a  criminal act to defraud more people.


No. I said it is probably a Ponzi scam and spoke for me about my choice. So the first in line to risk exposure is just me until I stay invested here. There is ppl who like to play poker online and others who like to risk their money in ponzi scams. Until everyone assume responsability of their acts is just fine.
BTW: OBSI.HRPT is having a money flow bigger than Gigamining, so there is no need of advertising at all.
sr. member
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September 05, 2012, 02:37:49 AM
Obsi, do you have anything to say in response to the accusation that you are running a ponzi scam? Or are you just going to ignore it and hope people keep investing anyway?

He is going to ignore all concerns, and so is market so he is right for his own interest. Bitcoin world apparently accepted as canon that there must be something paying crazy rates, it's like, a Bitcoin institution, and everyone will jump in irregardless of risk; Obsi managed to be second in line after Pirate, kudos to him.
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September 04, 2012, 09:25:17 PM
Obsi, do you have anything to say in response to the accusation that you are running a ponzi scam? Or are you just going to ignore it and hope people keep investing anyway?
Have you read the thread?  What more can he say?  I admit, I would like to see answers to the questions posted here:
1. I appreciate you taking the time to lay out examples of the issuers business operations. However, your examples do not include many important factors such as:

a. lag-time regarding employing newly raised capital.
b. lag-time regarding conversion and transfer back for dividends.
c. any form of estimated default rate (which has to be somewhere in the double digits on such high risk, high interest loans)
d. your equation assumes 100% of capital is employed 100% of the time.
e. as the total amount of working capital increases, it will become more difficult for the issuer to employ it all. With 10,000,000 shares issued, the current potential marketcap is about $1,439,200. Of course, we are a long ways from that, but it is important to note. As total working capital increases, it is a risk for shareholders.

I know you probably left most of these points out intentionally to keep is as basic as possible for people to understand. It is good to highlight these potential risks though. I am just trying to help provide clarity; just as your are.

2. As stated before, I would just like to see a greater dialogue between the issuer, investors, and potential investors. Bitcoinbear has already responded that today's dialogue has helped him understand the issuance better. I think helping create a dialogue for the sake of investor awareness is a very good thing.
However, as far as I am concerned, accusations without basis don't deserve a response.  On that note, have you ever read previous threads with similar accusations?  From what I've seen (regardless of whether or not Pirate's operation was one), responding only serves to feed the trolls.  I would ignore your post just like I have been ignoring all of the accusatory ones, but you seem at least a bit legit based on your earlier post regarding the thread-bumping vs just looking at GLBSE (where I was subsequently glad to see I wasn't the only one that didn't realize the dividend information was there).
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September 04, 2012, 09:00:08 PM
Obsi, do you have anything to say in response to the accusation that you are running a ponzi scam? Or are you just going to ignore it and hope people keep investing anyway?
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Wat
September 04, 2012, 08:57:52 PM
PONZI SCAM

Probably. But at 1% if it survives at least 100 days, or I sell before it collapse, I come out on the plus side anyway.

In Ponzis We Trust (to get in and out quickly).

Does this mean you are going to actively try and find new "marks" ?  If you know its a ponzi and participate anyway you are willingly getting involved in a  criminal act to defraud more people.
legendary
Activity: 2352
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
September 04, 2012, 06:31:41 AM
PONZI SCAM

Probably. But at 1% if it survives at least 100 days, or I sell before it collapse, I come out on the plus side anyway.

In Ponzis We Trust (to get in and out quickly).
legendary
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September 04, 2012, 06:05:02 AM
In before default of yet another ponzi scam.
sr. member
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September 04, 2012, 05:54:31 AM
  • Zero transparency
  • Absurdly high interest rates
  • Additional bonds issued every week
  • 0 interest could be paid indefinitely within the terms of the contract
  • A buyback is only promised in case of an orderly shutdown of a unknown business with zero transparency.  Obsi can claim the investment failed and pay nothing
  • Issuer is completely unverified on GLBSE

Obsi can steal your investment at any time while still adhering to his contract.

PONZI SCAM

Quoting for posterity
hero member
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September 04, 2012, 05:51:03 AM
  • Zero transparency
  • Absurdly high interest rates
  • Additional bonds issued every week
  • 0 interest could be paid indefinitely within the terms of the contract
  • A buyback is only promised in case of an orderly shutdown of a unknown business with zero transparency.  Obsi can claim the investment failed and pay nothing
  • Issuer is completely unverified on GLBSE

Obsi can steal your investment at any time while still adhering to his contract.

PONZI SCAM
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
September 02, 2012, 04:27:08 PM
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.

Just keep it coming.
Thank you.

sr. member
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September 01, 2012, 07:17:34 PM
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.
I wonder if it's easier for Obsi to pay out 1% every day so he can just copy and paste the message xD No complaints by any means though.
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August 31, 2012, 03:36:47 AM
Thank you for continuing to bump the thread with dividend info, Im a GLBSE noob so I didn't actually know all the info was in front of my eyes  Cheesy
hero member
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August 30, 2012, 06:43:09 PM
But the information is available (actually, more complete info) right on the GLBSE asset page, just click on the "Dividend payments" and it will show the entire dividend payment history.
This is true, even when not logged in, shows how much time I waste on GLBSE.   Roll Eyes
hero member
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August 30, 2012, 04:35:40 PM
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.
Do you really have to bump the tread every day? I imagine the people who own these shares can go on GLBSE and see the dividend has been paid. Perhaps you only need to post something if the payment will be delayed, or if you have some more interesting news?
Or maybe potential investors want to know how consistent he is and what dividends currently look like.  They won't stay at the max 1% forever, and anyone who might want to try to do any due diligence at least needs to know the current situation (even if it is "paid 1% again today").

But the information is available (actually, more complete info) right on the GLBSE asset page, just click on the "Dividend payments" and it will show the entire dividend payment history.
hero member
Activity: 807
Merit: 500
August 30, 2012, 04:32:24 PM
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.
Do you really have to bump the tread every day? I imagine the people who own these shares can go on GLBSE and see the dividend has been paid. Perhaps you only need to post something if the payment will be delayed, or if you have some more interesting news?
Or maybe potential investors want to know how consistent he is and what dividends currently look like.  They won't stay at the max 1% forever, and anyone who might want to try to do any due diligence at least needs to know the current situation (even if it is "paid 1% again today").
hero member
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August 30, 2012, 03:18:38 PM
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.


Do you really have to bump the tread every day? I imagine the people who own these shares can go on GLBSE and see the dividend has been paid. Perhaps you only need to post something if the payment will be delayed, or if you have some more interesting news?
newbie
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August 26, 2012, 11:48:43 PM
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.


Thank you!
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