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August 17, 2012, 11:34:20 AM
#85
How does selling more bonds deliver any type of value to shareholders? If it becomes harder to make your target margin of profit due to high BTC exchange rates, why on earth would you want to employ more capital into the venture? With a total of 10 Mil shares outstanding and only 24974 active on the open market, it appears that you could further dilute the value of existing shares by a great proportion.

Please answer these two questions directly and concisely:

1. Why sell more bonds to the open public when your target margin of profit is not able to be hit due to exchange rates.

2. Please outline your exact methodology for delivering true value to shareholders.

Thank you.
Maybe you should read the thread directly and concisely.  He has pointed out over and over that he sells more shares when the price of BTC goes up so he can convert them to more fiat.  If this doesn't make sense to you, then you shouldn't be investing at all, but I'll try to dumb it down for you anyway.

100 shares sold
10 BTC converted to $50
$50 earns $10
$10 converted back to 1 BTC
1% diviend paid
rinse, repeat, etc, one week later:
$50 earns $10
$10 converted back to .75 BTC because of exchange rate
.75% dividend paid
rinse, repeat, etc, one week later:
$10 converted back to .5 BTC because of exchange rate
.5% dividend paid


VS

100 shares sold
10 BTC converted to $50
$50 earns $10
$10 converted back to 1 BTC
1% diviend paid
rinse, repeat, etc, one week later:
100 more shares sold (200 total now)
10 BTC converted to $75

$125 earns $22.50
$22.50 converted back to 2 BTC
1% dividend restored

Regarding 2, it has been stated that this is high risk and the nature of the business won't be revealed, what else do you want?  Personally, and based on the vague information provided, I find it far easier to come up with ways for this venture to make money legally than I do pirate's, and it's not difficult to believe that other people would try it if they knew what it was, driving competition up and rates down.  Finally, as he is passing investments through to an investment vehicle outside of his control, he can't do anything to "add shareholder value" other than selling more shares when appropriate.  Also note that he has clearly stated that when this investment vehicle is filled, he will stop, and furthermore, if that happens and the exchange rate continues to climb, dividends will drop.  This is not rocket science, and it shouldn't be surprising WHEN it happens, so if you're trolling, congratulations on hooking me where all of the prior posters couldn't.
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August 17, 2012, 10:52:04 AM
#84
Sale initiated due to large increase in BTC price.

Edit: Sale has now ended.

Take a look at http://mtgoxlive.com/orders before deciding to invest. The more the BTC price rises the harder the hit to OBSI.HRPT coupons, as funds are held & interest earned almost entirely in USD.



How does selling more bonds deliver any type of value to shareholders? If it becomes harder to make your target margin of profit due to high BTC exchange rates, why on earth would you want to employ more capital into the venture? With a total of 10 Mil shares outstanding and only 24974 active on the open market, it appears that you could further dilute the value of existing shares by a great proportion.

Please answer these two questions directly and concisely:

1. Why sell more bonds to the open public when your target margin of profit is not able to be hit due to exchange rates.

2. Please outline your exact methodology for delivering true value to shareholders.

Thank you.
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August 16, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
#83
The way it takes a couple days to ramp back up to 1% is a bit indicative that it is not a scam, that it does take time to get the money into the business.

I am still not completely convinced, but I am optimistic.
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August 16, 2012, 04:06:51 PM
#82
Today's daily coupon has been paid @ 1% of IPO price.

Thank you.


Good job returning to 1% so quickly!
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August 16, 2012, 01:14:27 AM
#81
Man I sure do hope no one buys anymore stocks at the next offering! Then we'll get .1% daily dividends for sure!...right? Or would you rather us buy more? =) This stock sure does make me feel conflicted.
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August 15, 2012, 05:42:55 PM
#80
I wonder how many 1% payouts there will be now that pirate pays < 7% ? Wink

I have popcorn  Smiley
I have popcorn and bonds !
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Wat
August 14, 2012, 09:39:40 PM
#79
I wonder how many 1% payouts there will be now that pirate pays < 7% ? Wink

I have popcorn  Smiley
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August 14, 2012, 09:38:24 PM
#78
I wonder how many 1% payouts there will be now that pirate pays < 7% ? Wink
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Wat
August 14, 2012, 06:31:16 PM
#77
Damn you people are stupid.
Honestly, I don't understand why such stuff is even allowed on GLBSE, this is right against rule #9 imho:
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9. The Exchange reserves the right to suspend trading of any asset, or suspend access to an asset creator's account, for failure of an asset creator to provide requested information, or in the event of suspected fraud.
I highly suspect fraud in this venture and I think I'm not the only one, judging from posts so far.

From your prior posts in my threads it seems you suspect anything you don't understand, and thus end up suspecting nearly everything. I know how scary it can be to live with paranoia and fear and hope you can overcome them one day.
Gee, this sounds familiar. Congratulations, folks, you fell for the second most obvious ponzi scheme on this forum. I'd say that "that takes skill!", but it really doesn't. You all should have known going into this that you weren't going to get what you expected.

Yet I see no scammer label on the guy. Maybe we need a new "Ponzi" label.
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August 14, 2012, 03:36:52 PM
#76
I'm not your investor, but I wonder what currency are the loans denominated in? If it's BTC, then those poor borrowers will suffer highly by the recent bitcoin price increase and will start to default massively. (365% yearly interest rate for a loan is itself enormous and I would expect high default rate). On the other hand if loans are denominated in USD then I wonder how you can keep the 1% daily interest rate while bitcoin price increases.

The loans are mostly denominated in USD. Other fiat currencies are sometimes handled, but I am not privy to the intricate details of how they handle exchange rates between them. I have stated previously that the rise in BTC price is a major factor affecting coupon rates, the only thing allowing us to hit 1% consistently is the weekly retarget when more bonds are converted at the higher prices.

At some point this will stop being the case, either a small number of new bonds will be sold after a large price increase, or the BTC price will rocket up and make hitting the 1% target highly unlikely. Judging from the reaction to this week's short-term rate reduction, I just can't wait for that shitstorm to hit  Roll Eyes

What happens if the BTC/USD rate drops, would that effect the payments at all?
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August 14, 2012, 03:04:27 PM
#75

Eventually, the expansion of the new location will be complete. They will reach saturation level on new loans for that area & returns will level off as they build a 'warchest' using their own money from the profits to use as backing for their loans & debt buys. Once that happens there may be a quiet period of lower returns until a new location is opened.

It seems some of the whiners in this thread felt entitled to daily 1% returns for eternity. I'm telling you all right now: the 1% days are a peak. The title of this thread says 'up to 1%' for a reason. There are so many factors affecting payouts beyond new bond sales that it seems many of you haven't thought through. We might get stable periods of consistent 1% payouts, or we might not and get considerably lower returns.

If the payout buffer ever reaches dangerously low levels, you can bet your butt I will have no problem lowering coupon rates to where they need to be. I am not going out of pocket on this one. I already cut into my personal profits to smooth payouts as it is.

I am a bit confused about one point here: Clearly you have no intention of paying above 1%, and the recent dividend share history shows you hitting 1%. My question is: it seems you are earning >1% and only paying out 1%, where is the rest of the profit going? Are you taking it, or is the excess profit remaining in the fund to be reinvested as growth, or is it just providing a buffer account for future payouts when the investment makes <1%?

And one other question: It seems there is a limit to the amount of money you can invest in this business (whatever it is), when you get to that limit do you plan to stop selling shares?

Not trying to troll, just trying to help you develope a clearer picture of what your plans are.
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August 14, 2012, 01:44:10 PM
#74
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whiners
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no problem lowering coupon rates
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I will respond only to questions/posts in this thread that I deem worthwhile

This is one of the most shameless scams I've seen on the boards
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August 14, 2012, 10:36:45 AM
#73
Yeah, that is when we start throwing red flags.
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August 14, 2012, 10:33:33 AM
#72
I'm not your investor, but I wonder what currency are the loans denominated in? If it's BTC, then those poor borrowers will suffer highly by the recent bitcoin price increase and will start to default massively. (365% yearly interest rate for a loan is itself enormous and I would expect high default rate). On the other hand if loans are denominated in USD then I wonder how you can keep the 1% daily interest rate while bitcoin price increases.
1% compounded daily is 3778% yearly.

Unless the operator posts proof otherwise, everyone should assume this is a pirate passthrough.  The weeks with less than 1% payouts make the business look more legitimate and allow the operator to make a profit as he always gets 7%/week from pirate.  When pirate defaults, all the operator has to do is say "annnnnd it's gone" because after all, it is a "high risk" fund and you must be "not afraid of risk" to invest in it.
Obsi has stated (in his original post even) that this is not a pirate backed venture. If you believe this or not is your own call to make though of course. There is however a clause stating that investment price is returned during an "orderly shutdown" of business. I would assume however that red flags would be raised if he shut down within a week of pirate defaulting however.
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August 14, 2012, 10:17:35 AM
#71
I'm not your investor, but I wonder what currency are the loans denominated in? If it's BTC, then those poor borrowers will suffer highly by the recent bitcoin price increase and will start to default massively. (365% yearly interest rate for a loan is itself enormous and I would expect high default rate). On the other hand if loans are denominated in USD then I wonder how you can keep the 1% daily interest rate while bitcoin price increases.
1% compounded daily is 3778% yearly.

Unless the operator posts proof otherwise, everyone should assume this is a pirate passthrough.  The weeks with less than 1% payouts make the business look more legitimate and allow the operator to make a profit as he always gets 7%/week from pirate.  When pirate defaults, all the operator has to do is say "annnnnd it's gone" because after all, it is a "high risk" fund and you must be "not afraid of risk" to invest in it.
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August 14, 2012, 10:12:19 AM
#70

The chances of coupon rates being reduced this much every week is very low with so many bonds out there. To cut the coupon rate in half requires a doubling of outstanding bonds. Large numbers doubling just a few times become very large numbers. So new bond purchases will affect the coupon rate less and less with each passing week.


As you say, the number of oustanding coupons, shares, whatever you want to call them, is increasing every time you sell more of them. Is there a limit to the number you will sell? As the total outstanding rises, will that affect the amount you are able to pay in dividends?
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Wat
August 14, 2012, 01:17:09 AM
#69
I'm not your investor, but I wonder what currency are the loans denominated in? If it's BTC, then those poor borrowers will suffer highly by the recent bitcoin price increase and will start to default massively. (365% yearly interest rate for a loan is itself enormous and I would expect high default rate). On the other hand if loans are denominated in USD then I wonder how you can keep the 1% daily interest rate while bitcoin price increases.

No rational actor would take loans at those rates and I expect hes investing in pirate.
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Trust No One
August 14, 2012, 01:12:04 AM
#68
I'm not your investor, but I wonder what currency are the loans denominated in? If it's BTC, then those poor borrowers will suffer highly by the recent bitcoin price increase and will start to default massively. (365% yearly interest rate for a loan is itself enormous and I would expect high default rate). On the other hand if loans are denominated in USD then I wonder how you can keep the 1% daily interest rate while bitcoin price increases.
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Wat
August 14, 2012, 12:53:28 AM
#67

The chances of coupon rates being reduced this much every week is very low with so many bonds out there. To cut the coupon rate in half requires a doubling of outstanding bonds. Large numbers doubling just a few times become very large numbers. So new bond purchases will affect the coupon rate less and less with each passing week.


As an economist, I am going to tell you that what you just said was bullshit. As a person, I am going to tell you that anything you say is bullshit.

Yes, you eventually will drive these people to zero. That makes you an asshole, not a reputable businessperson.

Edit: I don't know if anyone told you, but ASICs are coming. So, yeah, most people are projecting large increases in difficulty.

A good reason to avoid mining bonds like the plague.
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August 14, 2012, 12:27:59 AM
#66

The chances of coupon rates being reduced this much every week is very low with so many bonds out there. To cut the coupon rate in half requires a doubling of outstanding bonds. Large numbers doubling just a few times become very large numbers. So new bond purchases will affect the coupon rate less and less with each passing week.


As an economist, I am going to tell you that what you just said was bullshit. As a person, I am going to tell you that anything you say is bullshit.

Yes, you eventually will drive these people to zero. That makes you an asshole, not a reputable businessperson.

Edit: I don't know if anyone told you, but ASICs are coming. So, yeah, most people are projecting large increases in difficulty.
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