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well for fan recognition there's a way that is been handled but there I'm not sure if there's any monetary reward and that alone gives me the better reason to think that its not worth loosing your funds that you wanted to use for something else and the gamble to loose because there are certain losses that you can foresee even before you think of placing a bet so it will be better to make adjustments than trying to be a fanatics.

Some people take this fan support too seriously, to the extent that you will think that they are being paid for the support that they are giving to the club. They can go to any length just to prove that they support a particular team, even if it takes for them to place a bet against their own kind of odds.

Even if the game ends up losing, they will not still accept defeat and will claim that it's all gambling and the result is not sure, when from the very beginning they were sure that the game wouldn't end in favour of their own club.

Just let them be on what they would really be thinking because its their money and if it results into a loss then there's always that kind of reasoning on which it would be coming up into their mouth.
We do know that each person or gambler would really be having their own team on which they do like or being a fan of it. If you are someone who do make out some bets
and would really be attaching up up emotional aspect on where showing up support and bet blindly despite of the other aspect of betting on which choosing on which one is the favorite
then you would really be thinking up on where you do show up your support into. Some are like that but majority will really be sticking into those favorites.

For me the highest loyalty I do show my club is seeing their every match and buying all recent jerseys. If the club happens to be underperforming, I'll definitely bet against them while making sure I still render my compulsory support.

The reason is simple, the club is making their own money with their sporting activities and endorsements. Myself needs to make my own money through gambling if possible, so I'll always stake on best possibilities instead of loyalty.

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well for fan recognition there's a way that is been handled but there I'm not sure if there's any monetary reward and that alone gives me the better reason to think that its not worth loosing your funds that you wanted to use for something else and the gamble to loose because there are certain losses that you can foresee even before you think of placing a bet so it will be better to make adjustments than trying to be a fanatics.

Some people take this fan support too seriously, to the extent that you will think that they are being paid for the support that they are giving to the club. They can go to any length just to prove that they support a particular team, even if it takes for them to place a bet against their own kind of odds.

Even if the game ends up losing, they will not still accept defeat and will claim that it's all gambling and the result is not sure, when from the very beginning they were sure that the game wouldn't end in favour of their own club.

Just let them be on what they would really be thinking because its their money and if it results into a loss then there's always that kind of reasoning on which it would be coming up into their mouth.
We do know that each person or gambler would really be having their own team on which they do like or being a fan of it. If you are someone who do make out some bets
and would really be attaching up up emotional aspect on where showing up support and bet blindly despite of the other aspect of betting on which choosing on which one is the favorite
then you would really be thinking up on where you do show up your support into. Some are like that but majority will really be sticking into those favorites.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

What sort of stupidity is this? How can you gamble away your funds on a team and, the major criteria for that was just about being your favourite team?? Are you - in anyway paying it directly to the club that so you love, or the casinos? Who's benefiting at the end?...

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The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

It's also not entirely strange that people can do crazy things for the something they're passionate about. What's gonna be more crazier than a man on a 165 stories - a skyscraper!!!! I'm definitely going to to acrophobic afterwards and someone, out of passion crimbs to such a height?.. that's how crazy a soccer fan could be atimes.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

Well, I personally see it as being absolutely stupid when I see some gamblers place bets on their favorite football club and are willing to lose the money they used to place the bet, that is, they bet on their favorite football club even when they know that their opponent have a better chance of winning the match, people honestly will never cease to amaze me.

I am a die hard fan of Arsenal, but my fanship for this football club does not extend to where money is, after all, the club is not paying me to be their fan, why should I willingly lose my hard earned money for their sake? This is something I would never try, I will always prefer I win my bet than I lose and my favorite club win the title of that season, it's stupid to prefer anything otherwise.

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Quote from: Zigabel on August 02, 2024, 02:49:41 AM

well for fan recognition there's a way that is been handled but there I'm not sure if there's any monetary reward and that alone gives me the better reason to think that its not worth loosing your funds that you wanted to use for something else and the gamble to loose because there are certain losses that you can foresee even before you think of placing a bet so it will be better to make adjustments than trying to be a fanatics.

Some people take this fan support too seriously, to the extent that you will think that they are being paid for the support that they are giving to the club. They can go to any length just to prove that they support a particular team, even if it takes for them to place a bet against their own kind of odds.

Even if the game ends up losing, they will not still accept defeat and will claim that it's all gambling and the result is not sure, when from the very beginning they were sure that the game wouldn't end in favour of their own club.

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I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

We have different perspective regarding this and it's not surprising if someone is willing to lose the bet just to show support to their chosen club. But is worth it? If they win will they even recognize you as their fan? Well, it's better to be wise than to act as a fool. Because if that's your stance, then placing bet is unnecessary since you can support them by just watching their game. In gambling, aside from entertaining yourself, money is more important than loyalty, therefore I will go for the club with the high chance to win.

well for fan recognition there's a way that is been handled but there I'm not sure if there's any monetary reward and that alone gives me the better reason to think that its not worth loosing your funds that you wanted to use for something else and the gamble to loose because there are certain losses that you can foresee even before you think of placing a bet so it will be better to make adjustments than trying to be a fanatics.

When it comes to gambling then of course the hope is to win, this is no longer about choosing the team you love, but about choosing a team that basically has a chance of winning. After all, even if you love a club but at certain times you play against a team that you can be sure of winning, then at least you can still provide support by watching the match. But after all, at least you can know about betting yourself and no one else knows your choices and so, I think it's still fine if this is done.

But indeed, maybe if you feel that this is not true or refers to an act of defection, then you can avoid betting at moments like that. After all, supporting your favorite team can also be done in many ways and not always by betting. But of course, when you still want to place a bet, you have to accept the risk, whether it's choosing your favorite team but has the possibility of losing, or betting by choosing the opposing team because it has a good chance of winning, that's a choice and you're free to choose with risk that you are ready to bear.

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I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I also have a favorite club. And I think I am a loyal fan. But winning a bet and betting on your favorite club are two different things. I also prefer to win $ 500 than "hope" my favorite club will win even though facing a tough opponent. I will be realistic for every bet. I think we can show our loyalty in a better way. I like to collect my favorite club's jersey every season. I also try to follow every match. I know the history of the club and know the club's legend. Loyalty is not in your bet, but in your knowledge of your favorite club.

That is a way better way to show your support to your favorite team than betting on their favor, after all whether you win your bet or not, the club will not get anything out of it, however by buying some of their products you are directly supporting your favorite team, so those that claim that in order to show your support you have to bet on favor of your favorite team are way off base, since if you think about it there is no relationship between those two factors at all.

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I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I also have a favorite club. And I think I am a loyal fan. But winning a bet and betting on your favorite club are two different things. I also prefer to win $ 500 than "hope" my favorite club will win even though facing a tough opponent. I will be realistic for every bet. I think we can show our loyalty in a better way. I like to collect my favorite club's jersey every season. I also try to follow every match. I know the history of the club and know the club's legend. Loyalty is not in your bet, but in your knowledge of your favorite club.

It's true, we should know that our favorite club is make their money and we have to make ours, so any of the game which we know that they won't win, we should avoid to play them but we should endeavor to watch the game. If I bet a multiple bet and include my favorite cloud and the rest of the games I played did absolutely well but only my favorite club spoiled the whole thing I will definitely dislike them for a while because they spoiled the whole games. So for me to avoid those kind of scenarios I prefer not to bet on my favorite club anytime my instincts tells me that they won't win the game.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I also have a favorite club. And I think I am a loyal fan. But winning a bet and betting on your favorite club are two different things. I also prefer to win $ 500 than "hope" my favorite club will win even though facing a tough opponent. I will be realistic for every bet. I think we can show our loyalty in a better way. I like to collect my favorite club's jersey every season. I also try to follow every match. I know the history of the club and know the club's legend. Loyalty is not in your bet, but in your knowledge of your favorite club.

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Quote from: Cantsay on July 29, 2024, 07:13:08 PM

I agree with the second friend who pointed out that the first one was being stupid for wanting to lose a bet that’s up to $500 just because he’s a fan of the team playing.

We don't know, maybe he was only playing as a way of showing a support to his favourite team? I think this can also be considered as playing for fun even though the outcome of our bet is a loss. Lastly, maybe the guy was filthy rich and he don't care at all losing an amount like that.

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There are games which after analyzing I discovered that there’s a slight chance of my prediction being correct

This is the good thing about sports betting because our analysis can matter a lot, however if we are only playing for fun or to show our warm support to our favourite teams, then I think it's obvious that there is no need to do an analysis because if we do, we might get tempted to bet on the other team if we found out that they have a better chances of winning.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

We have different perspective regarding this and it's not surprising if someone is willing to lose the bet just to show support to their chosen club. But is worth it? If they win will they even recognize you as their fan? Well, it's better to be wise than to act as a fool. Because if that's your stance, then placing bet is unnecessary since you can support them by just watching their game. In gambling, aside from entertaining yourself, money is more important than loyalty, therefore I will go for the club with the high chance to win.

well for fan recognition there's a way that is been handled but there I'm not sure if there's any monetary reward and that alone gives me the better reason to think that its not worth loosing your funds that you wanted to use for something else and the gamble to loose because there are certain losses that you can foresee even before you think of placing a bet so it will be better to make adjustments than trying to be a fanatics.

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Quote from: lienfaye on August 01, 2024, 06:07:59 PM

Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

We have different perspective regarding this and it's not surprising if someone is willing to lose the bet just to show support to their chosen club. But is worth it? If they win will they even recognize you as their fan? Well, it's better to be wise than to act as a fool. Because if that's your stance, then placing bet is unnecessary since you can support them by just watching their game. In gambling, aside from entertaining yourself, money is more important than loyalty, therefore I will go for the club with the high chance to win.

Nothing is more important in gambling than to see your bet winning, even if means betting against your club. We need to know that gambling promotes sportsmanship, so whatever you think will give you higher probability to win, then go for it, not sticking to the club just to show your loyalty. Otherwise, if they will call out your attention because you are betting on the opposite one, which I guess they don’t even care doing, they don’t promote being sports when it comes to betting decisions of an individual. Loyalty these days could be underrated, but we can’t do nothing about it because for us, money is more important as much as gambling is concern.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

We have different perspective regarding this and it's not surprising if someone is willing to lose the bet just to show support to their chosen club. But is worth it? If they win will they even recognize you as their fan? Well, it's better to be wise than to act as a fool. Because if that's your stance, then placing bet is unnecessary since you can support them by just watching their game. In gambling, aside from entertaining yourself, money is more important than loyalty, therefore I will go for the club with the high chance to win.

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I'll take this comparison with companies and employment.

As an employee, there's no loyal employee that has a long vision to the company and are a typical jobhopper. But there are employees that are loyal to their own companies but they are taken for granted.

Majority if not all of the employees are for the money because that helps them/us to bring food to the table and that's wherever we'd go, that's the motivation. (Others might find this as an odd comparison but that's how my logic is on this topic.)

And as a gambler, money is the motivation as we gamble. Only a very few gamblers that are showing loyalty to the clubs that they are a fan of. But this isn't a big deal whether you gamble for money or for the sake of loyalty, you're the captain of your own ship.

That's actually good analogy. I am also on the side of winning the bet as you can also root for your favourite team while watching. But when it comes to taking the risk of your own money, better select the odds that you believe has high chance of winning. Do remember, at the end of the day, that team won't care if you lose or win. So better take care of your own business.

While we're living for ourselves and we don't live by the teams and clubs that we're supporting. At least by doing some bets depending on what's favorable odds to us, we'll do it.

And for these players and clubs, they're living from us whether we bet or not. They've got a fan base that's building their career and what's important to them is for them to win the match and so as us, what's important for us is to win our bets.

They have their own battle through matches and so do we.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I would prefer winning on bets, but it's a case to case basis because being loyal is very hard to become consistent due to changes of decision making. Maybe we can be diehard for few days, but eventually we will see another options on other team that we seem to see capable with our analysis then we will pursue our projections to divert with them. Winning that huge amount could be doubled once there's potential on other team, so loyalty isn't guaranteed when it comes to betting with sports.

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You are very correct, I think the best thing for a bettor to do since he or she is a fan of a particular club who is not in good form in a season is to avoid betting on the team, since you are not going to be refunded by the team you support whenever you lose betting on them to win I think you need to choose your money over the support for your club.

I do not agree with this. If you have studied both team and see that the chance of the team that is opponent to the club you are a fan of is very high, then bet on the opponent that it would win the match. Betting should not be that you are a fan of a club. Betting is about selecting the matches and odd that you would win. Just as you said in your other post, bet against your club if you think they are going to lose.

The reason why I said that is because most bettors don't like to bet against the team they support because of the love they have for the team, I witnessed a Chelsea football club fan who had a side bet with someone when Chelsea was losing 1:0 to another team last season. Every one was astonished because of what he did but the dude said he did what he did because of his love for his team Chelsea, I think the best thing is to have a good calculation of the team with the potential winning abilities before placing a bet but then when shouldn't forget the love that is attached to the team we also support.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on August 01, 2024, 10:52:29 AM

If there are such weirdos who are ready to bet on a guaranteed loss, you can simply advise them to give this money to the club they support or buy flags and banners that help fans
support their team.

The problem is that they won't even see it as a loss since they are blinded by what they see as the love for their club, in my region I can still point out few numbers of Chelsea fans who do some crazy betting when ever their team is playing against a better opponent I guess I will approach them with the idea you shared right here.

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If there are such weirdos who are ready to bet on a guaranteed loss, you can simply advise them to give this money to the club they support or buy flags and banners that help fans support their team. Of course, such actions will look stupid. It is good to be a fan of the team, but it will be better to understand the strength and preparation of the team to say that you are a real fan. I would not hesitate to bet against it, perfectly understanding that my team is still too weak to hope for a win.

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Quote from: GiftedMAN on July 31, 2024, 05:09:14 PM

You are very correct, I think the best thing for a bettor to do since he or she is a fan of a particular club who is not in good form in a season is to avoid betting on the team, since you are not going to be refunded by the team you support whenever you lose betting on them to win I think you need to choose your money over the support for your club.

I do not agree with this. If you have studied both team and see that the chance of the team that is opponent to the club you are a fan of is very high, then bet on the opponent that it would win the match. Betting should not be that you are a fan of a club. Betting is about selecting the matches and odd that you would win. Just as you said in your other post, bet against your club if you think they are going to lose.

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I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I'm not a blind follower of any team that I support, and I have done so several times, betting against my favorite because they are a huge underdog and they have no way of winning the game.

There should be limitation on your being a follower of a team or a fighter you're not betraying them its just you want to have an opportunity to make money, its just being practical and I'm sure many gamblers or supporters are doing this.

You're on point. Besides what's the need to spend money on a stake that you have absolutely zero believe that the game would come true. Though there are times where you become very much supportive to your team and you make bets even if the odds are high. There are times were I bet against my club, and times were I make bet on other options like the total amount of goals, corner kicks, shot on target.... If I'm not sure of what the result would be based on my prediction. That doesn't mean you have abandoned your club or something else.

It's insane to bet on the team you support when you know too well that they won't win or even by any chance draw the game. When you know that the team you support won outsmart the their opponents, you are the fan should change another safer options or don't stake instead. You have to spend your money wisely because even if the fan you support cuts your bet, they will still get paid and you that bets on them will lose, so it's better not to bet on them if you know that they won't perform as expected.

You are very correct, I think the best thing for a bettor to do since he or she is a fan of a particular club who is not in good form in a season is to avoid betting on the team, since you are not going to be refunded by the team you support whenever you lose betting on them to win I think you need to choose your money over the support for your club.

You can also make more money by betting against the team that you support when you realize that they are having a bad season and they find it difficult in winning matches if it's another opportunity for you to get against them so that you can make more profit. I remember betting against my team Manchester United when they were having a poor performance last season, I make more profit betting against them especially when the pick is in a single bet.

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Quote from: livingfree on July 31, 2024, 04:40:40 PM

I'll take this comparison with companies and employment.

As an employee, there's no loyal employee that has a long vision to the company and are a typical jobhopper. But there are employees that are loyal to their own companies but they are taken for granted.

Majority if not all of the employees are for the money because that helps them/us to bring food to the table and that's wherever we'd go, that's the motivation. (Others might find this as an odd comparison but that's how my logic is on this topic.)

And as a gambler, money is the motivation as we gamble. Only a very few gamblers that are showing loyalty to the clubs that they are a fan of. But this isn't a big deal whether you gamble for money or for the sake of loyalty, you're the captain of your own ship.

That's actually good analogy. I am also on the side of winning the bet as you can also root for your favourite team while watching. But when it comes to taking the risk of your own money, better select the odds that you believe has high chance of winning. Do remember, at the end of the day, that team won't care if you lose or win. So better take care of your own business.

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