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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

Obviously, supporting the club that we love is enough on emotional support and gal like that, but talking about money and about how to get a winning bet we also have to be realistic about this, although I also love the team that I support but I am not fanatical in looking for profits.

I'd rather get $500 than lose it, that's simple logic for me who likes to play in crypto and gamble, but maybe there are some people who have principles like your friend in this world, it's just that they are too smart in my opinion, LOL

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It's a matter of choice, bro. If the first guy can risk losing $500 just because he is loyal to his team, that means the amount is probably what he can afford to lose, and he may be gambling for fun and not for profit. But what he must realize is that his loyalty to the team cannot make the team win the championship. Even if he decides to lose $10,000 because of his loyalty to the team, that cannot make the team win unless the team is already destined (or had the grace and capabilities) to win the championship.

I have my best team, which I support. Any time they have a fixture, I usually carry my analysis, and if I am not sure of their victory in that game, I will bet against them. Betting on my favorite team to win in a match when I am aware that they will be defeated is something I cannot do.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on July 30, 2024, 04:11:12 AM

The essence of gambling is to hit a win but if one choose to be loyal to his/her club then good for the person. But in gambling it is good when people take away sentiments and understand that gambling is just a game and it doesn't mean for one to too stick to the club he belongs to. When gambling we bet by supporting the team that is more superior in strength to win the weaker club. We all know the strength of our respective club, and if their is a stronger club playing against your own club which you are aware of it, then why not play the game and win some cash. You can still gamble and still be loyal to the club you belong to.

Why would a person need to make a bet in the first place if they want to stay loyal to their favorite club? I mean, if you know that your club isn't the best side in a match but you don't want to be disloyal and bet on the other side, you can simply skip the game and make no bets. It's not like making a bet on your club will support them in any way, the sportsbook isn't going to send a portion of what has been bet on the club to their managers.

If I know that my favorite team is about to play a game against a team that is stronger than it, and I can't bear making my bet against them, I wouldn't make a bet, if someone else wants to do that because they want to earn money, I would say it's fair enough because I know my team will most probably lose the game.

It's a pretty simple thing and one shouldn't complicate it. Show moral support for your team, they don't need you to make a bet on them to show your support.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I see a lot of die hard fans of different clubs staking on their favorite club to win a match just because of club loyalty, but I don't it's a wise thing to do except if you are willing to just throw your money away.. winning the bet is more important than just trying to support your favorite club, you are not going to get paid for that...I remember when Chelsea played against Brentford in 2022 , considering the fact that they were in a bad form I didn't go with straight win cause it's my favorite club, instead my prediction was 12 and it turned out that Brentford won the game

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

My opinion is that you should separate fandom from gambling for winning if they can't be combined. That is, if your favorite team has no chance of winning the next match, then don't be stupid and bet on them to win. Bet on the team that is most likely to win and bring you profit. If the odds are on your favorite team's side, then you can combine the bet and as a result you will remain a loyal fan, and most importantly, with money.

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fans don't have to bet on their favorite team to win, because they can bet on other events that are completely unrelated to the victory, such as the number of red cards, the total number of goals, etc. That is, fans can make neutral bets that don't tarnish their honor as true fans.

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I am a football fan from La Liga, but that doesn't mean I have to refuse $500. I mean, even though our favorite team looks like it will lose, there are many options that we can choose as support and can get victory from our bets.
For example, you can bet on a handicap of +1.5 or +1.75 for your favorite team and of course that already provides a decent odds to get profit even though it is not as big as when we choose a team that is not our favorite.

Choosing profit in football does not mean that we can be considered disloyal to our favorite team but it is a fact that no one wants to lose money in gambling.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

If this is in our minds, it will clearly be detrimental to ourselves, what if our favorite club and team are greater than other clubs and teams, a situation like that cannot be brought into the world of gambling, it is better for us to just be supporters, without gambling supporters true.

It's true that someone's loyalty and fanaticism towards a club or sports team is hard to digest, no matter what we say, they stick to their stance, that's what fanaticism and love are, different from those who only do and think about gambling, they don't care about clubs and teams, as long as the bet is placed and profitable, they keep going.

Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

That's a genius thought, that's a gambler's thought, who doesn't have a favorite club, but we have to choose between gamblers and supporters, you think wisely when betting.

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Quote from: letteredhub on July 30, 2024, 01:39:08 AM

Club loyalty is no bad a position to take for any gambler but if we are to analyze things this way where when the club loses a match the players are still paid their wages despite the loss of the game meanwhile for the gambler you lose your bet you get nothing because it's a lost bet. And it's for this reason, I'll will choose winning my bet over loyalty for club, maybe my loyalty to my club should be firm in times of banter between rival club fans but not deliberately betting on them when it's obvious in a game they are gonna lose especially when they are having a bad season.

My all time favorite club is Real Madrid and I bet on Real Madrid in most matches. In many cases I win the bet and sometimes the result of the bet goes against us. But if I ever think that Real Madrid has a tough opponent and this match is more likely to be lost by Real Madrid then I refrain from that bet because I understand that my money might be lost so why would I risk my money unnecessarily.

From my words like this you might think that I only bet for Real Madrid but no I always look for opportunities and wait for the big teams to fight against the weaker teams and accordingly bet for the stronger teams.

Gambling with this strategy shows that the winnings are relatively small, but the chances of me losing money are much lower, and as a gambler I feel that this is a huge achievement for me.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I don't see a reason why I should give up a good amount of money I could win for my club, I'm not saying I'm not loyal enough or I don't love my team but I'm not willing to loose such amount I will rather not gamble on it instead because it will only mean that I'm just been a fanatic as I may not have much left with me at the end of the day and I will be regretting my actions.

Gambling is supposed to be for fun but every opportunity it avails for payment, shouldn't be undermined but rather explored and utilized maximally and that has been my view with how I gamble.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I'll also do that unless your role is an avid supporter and you are not betting or a gambler. You can pass the opportunity to make an extra buck, but if you are a bettor, you will take that opportunity and bet against your team; there's no betrayal.

It's just that you, as a gambler, do not and can't pass an opportunity to win and make money; we gamblers are like that because not every day a chance to make money is presented to us, and you'll be a fool to ignore that opportunity.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I'm not a blind follower of any team that I support, and I have done so several times, betting against my favorite because they are a huge underdog and they have no way of winning the game.

You already stated that you don't support clubs blindly meaning your passion for the club is not that high else, I would have said it is a difficult thing to play against the club one support. Well, I know there are different levels of supports fans give to their clubs, maybe yours is the light type. As for me, I avoid playing the club I support whenever I suspect they will lose or have a hard time winning. I will simply remove the match from my selection or just play them base on goals so that even if they win or lose, as long as they give me the desired number of goals, I'm good.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I'm not a blind follower of any team that I support, and I have done so several times, betting against my favorite because they are a huge underdog and they have no way of winning the game.

There should be limitation on your being a follower of a team or a fighter you're not betraying them its just you want to have an opportunity to make money, its just being practical and I'm sure many gamblers or supporters are doing this.

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Quote from: Frankolala on July 30, 2024, 02:05:28 PM

This is an old discussion but I will still give my contribution. I have passion for my club does not mean that when they are not performing well, I will still throw my money on them when I know that they will not win the game, I see that as a waste of funds.

I will bet against my club, if I know that it is a sure bet and they cannot outperform the club that they are playing with because they are underdogs. When it comes to gambling, I don't have a favorite club because I love to win always if possible and not losing.

I agree with you. I will never keep`passion and my hard earned money in the same row. I may have a favorite team. I will definitely love that but I am not willing to waste my money. Especially when I think that my team might be weak or losing. If I have support for that team I can support that team without betting if necessary but I don't want to waste money under any circumstances. I don't think I can find anyone who consciously bet on their team or club even if they know the situation. I won't go against favorite clubs but I won't bet there either.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

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Fuck the club man I want to win. Besides, wouldn't yous ay that knowing when your club is going to lose is a testament to being a great fan since you know your team the best, both on strength and weakness? If I wanted to spend money on supporting my team and talk about loyalty, I'd spend it on merch and stuff where they get the money (or a part of it), not on bookies lol.

People who push the reason that they bet on a losing team because they're fans is well... I agree. Go do it! So I can profit off of you guys all the time Grin

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

I love my club but I would not intentionally lose my money for them. Gambling is a business to me when I am playing sport betting and I do not intentionally sabotage myself because I'm f my team wins, they share the money without giving anything to their fans. The club is their business and my support is my way of contributing to them. If there is a game I know my club can not win and there is an odd for me to make good money, I would not mind betting against them. If I win the money it can also help me to support my club more as I can have money and live more comfortably to watch matches often without being concerned about how to get money by going to work as I usually do. But if the match was a cup final, I will have to support my club despite my bets.

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Quote from: Fiatless on July 29, 2024, 12:29:38 PM

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I remember reading this same scenario or same manner of situation which a person consider their bet as support to the team.

This topic always create a divided answer since we have different perspective on how we view support to the team. For me, my bet doesn’t consider support to the team since there’s nothing to gain from my bet to the team. My bet is for my personal entertainment when watching the game.

Buying team merch and sending donations is what you can consider as support to the team while lose bet is considered as support to the casino.

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I think it is better to Prioritize the winning bet because you could gamble more and bet more on your club. Isn’t that a win-win situation? It’s not just being loyal to the club but making sure that you can go the distance.

It’s nice to focus on a club, but maybe you could try diversifying it as well.

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When it comes to loyalty to ones club, some fans are 100% passionate when it comes to their clubs and would not mind losing their gamblings just so their clubs can win some very important trophies while there are other football fans who still supports their favorite clubs but will never want to lose a dime just for the success of their club and these two group of fans I think are absolutely right with how they've chosen to support their clubs.
For me, it depends on the importance of the trophy and how eager I want my club to win and how big and impactful the amount I'm supposed to win. I'll easily choose a gambling win that'll change my financial status quo over whichever trophy my club is supposed to win.

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The question you should asked the diehard fan is that when was the last day s/he received free dollars from hIs club as a loyalist or even as a supporter for this period he has been there fan?
Let the truth be told many people are fooling themselves in the name of loyalty or supporters, see, listen don't get it twisted and I didn't say you shouldn't be a loyalist or supporters of any club but my question is that what do you gain at the later end being a supporter of a team and bet against yourself after which the said team qualifies and take their rewards homes to their respective families and you there dying and starving without any peanuts at home? I am equally a fan of a club but when it comes time gambling I gambling the win and secure my bags first then anytime i don't place bet I can keep supporting my clubs for the being.

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Quote from: bakasabo on July 31, 2024, 03:07:03 AM

I will share a secret by telling, that the person who supports club or athlete will his all heart, does not have to share information about his bet with others

Other loyal fans are not monitoring every fans action. What, a person can be expelled from fan club just for betting against?

People should be more reasonable and not mix money and something that attracts them. When people operate with money, they should always have a logical explanation of what they are doing. Bet against, win, spend more money further support.

Well, that's one way to put it; you don't have to be truly honest about it. That way, you can at least avoid being booed at by diehard club fans. Personally, screw club loyalty. I was never a die-hard fan of football to begin with; thus, I'm not the best example out there, but even if we suppose I was, I'd take a winning bet all the way. Time is money, and our money is coming through our work. I'm not going to take the risk of losing it in a game that seems impossible.

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