Topic: Club loyalty or winning bet? - page 2. (Read 868 times)

I have had to see people that did bet against their teams because, they weren’t playing good football, we’re under performing and not winning games regularly. So this fan gets to bet against his team because, he was almost sure they would lose and some times they do. Of course he cashes in on them but, it doesn’t make you a very good or supportive fan. you’re no fan at all eventually because, your loyalty ensures you stay true to the team.

Looking at the scenario described in the OP, it would be very reckless of any gambler, knowing that your team would loss and still, go ahead to place bet on them to win. That’s not some way to approach gambling. You gamble because you know by some statistics or your gut felling tells you, this could be and not the other way around.

That case is really funny. I have a friend who supports Messi and in 2012 Fifa World Cup final he wanted Messi to finally win the World Cup but he thought that France was a very strong team and he made a bet on France winning the world cup but deep in heart, he wanted Messi to win with Argentina, his reactions was very funny during the game, he was like a person with bipolar disorder.
Your case is exactly similar of this one but now let's seriously think, if your favourite team wins and you lose money, what's the point? You are not a club owner, you are not a club manager, you are not a relative of the player, you get zero financial profit if your favourite team wins when you have bet on its opponent team winning the match. I think it's better to be rational than a diehard fan but to be fair, I wouldn't bet against my favourite club and if I think they are losing, then I'll simply skip this match in my sportsbet ticket and go in the stadium to watch the game and support them without worrying about winning or losing money.

No matter how much you love your club and no matter how loyal you are you will always want to choose money over the loyalty of your club and I think gambling will offer you something compared to choosing your club over money. we can say we watch football for fun and when it comes to gambling the fun is also there but their money will always be the focal point, the reason why people gamble we all know it already. and no matter how hazy you are to want to make money from gambling you still have to chill out because getting too excited when gambling can make you cross the limit and their things you have to avoid. choosing money over your club is not a bad thing at all, i do know that there will be people who will choose their club over money but since everyone has their choice for everything then they can go ahead to support their club.

I don't really understand that what is the connection of gambling with the Club loyalty. Here it appears that the friend you mentioned in the first case is actually stupid because there is no reason for his love for that club to decrease or increase with betting here.
In my case if Arsenal vs Southampton is playing and I am a Southampton supporter then even I am a fan of them I will place my betting on Arsenal because it is very clear that Arsenal will win that match.
The second friend is on the right track I'd say the first friend needs to make an appointment with a psychologist or else he'll have to sell his house and hit the road in a few days to show his loyalty to the club if he doesn't get kicked out the way he's betting.

If you select you bet based on a club loyalty it then means you are not gambling but just supporting your club and I will say there is no need to stake a bet on such match unless you know that you club will win at all cost which is not always possible to happen in football games because the results are always unpredictable and only the 90 minutes will determine who win and who lose, so if you are a fan of a club, it should be limited to not staking and just watching the match.
But anything that make you want to place a bet on such game, it has gone beyond being a fan to trying to gamble and at this point you shouldn't bring sentiment into your decision making process, best thing to do at this point is to pick the team that will likely win and wait for your luck to see if you win the bet or not, but keep loyalty out of the thought because if you follow such you are risking your money and you may likely lose the money when your club failed to win the match as you expected even though you analysis shows their are weaker but because you are a fan you still selected them to win.

I'll take this comparison with companies and employment.

As an employee, there's no loyal employee that has a long vision to the company and are a typical jobhopper. But there are employees that are loyal to their own companies but they are taken for granted.

Majority if not all of the employees are for the money because that helps them/us to bring food to the table and that's wherever we'd go, that's the motivation. (Others might find this as an odd comparison but that's how my logic is on this topic.)

And as a gambler, money is the motivation as we gamble. Only a very few gamblers that are showing loyalty to the clubs that they are a fan of. But this isn't a big deal whether you gamble for money or for the sake of loyalty, you're the captain of your own ship.

Sports Betting vs Real "Sports Feelings"
:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278818.msg55280967#msg55280967

It's a topic that doesn't need a novel behind it to comment on it: "... the friend of a friend, of a friend, told another friend, that that friend...", it's the never-ending story.

The point is, that in that thread above there is a very good collection of ideas,anyway, no always it's not about money.So as long as there is a balance between the return and the risk of that bet, what's the problem? If you bet on your favorite team...

There are many things that are considered in stop gambling and the gamblers because you prefer to have your profit than your team to have their profit. This means you have more priority on yourself than that of the interest of the club you are supporting, while he who says that he would rather lose has more priority of his club than that of himself, which means he is not a real gambler but just gambles for the sake of sport, and mostly his gambling will be base-one football. and it will not be frequently, and that will prevent him from being addicted to gambling.
 
Although he is a real gambler, he will never prefer to lose his game just because of a club he supports, so everyone has his choice and decision to make, so I don’t see anything wrong with it.

You know people are used to saying nobody pity their club like Arsenal, I'm one of those fans. I have leave my studies to go watch Arsenal matches many times than I could remembered but I have bet for Arsenal to lose match which they did. Winning and losing bets has nothing to do with your loyalty about the club you support but your true judgement based on what the league is playing, if your club is not good to win, why bet on to win, you can be emotional later after you have stake on your game as fans love.

People that will bet to favour their club been sentimental are not betting in my opinion, they are only putting money to what their mind want and what you want isn't what football does often times but how each team contribution performance is what to be used as judgement.

It's insane to bet on the team you support when you know too well that they won't win or even by any chance draw the game. When you know that the team you support won outsmart the their opponents, you are the fan should change another safer options or don't stake instead. You have to spend your money wisely because even if the fan you support cuts your bet, they will still get paid and you that bets on them will lose, so it's better not to bet on them if you know that they won't perform as expected.

You're on point. Besides what's the need to spend money on a stake that you have absolutely zero believe that the game would come true. Though there are times where you become very much supportive to your team and you make bets even if the odds are high. There are times were I bet against my club, and times were I make bet on other options like the total amount of goals, corner kicks, shot on target.... If I'm not sure of what the result would be based on my prediction. That doesn't mean you have abandoned your club or something else.

It's my money that is at stake so there is no way am choosing club loyalty over winning. However, it depends on the reason for gambling.  If they are in for fun then they can choose any of the options but when they are in for making lots of money. Not even their love or feeling for their club would concern them.  Most times i gamble if am picking my club i know what would probably happen at the end, so if i think they will loose of course ill choose them to lose but it doesn't mean i do not have passion for my club. Of course, I do want them to win by performance or by luck but deep down i want my bet to be won because that is a means for money.   

There are two things involved in this, we first have the aspect of the club loyalty in which we may all render upon the very club in which we supported, the second is about the bet we are taking, have to do with the money we have and using them to gamble at our own risk for either winning or loosing as long as we achieved having fun, but it will be uncalled for if a gambler is in support of a team or club he already know will be defeated in a game, all in the name of being a fan, the same club will not be responsible for one if anything should happened to him later in life, a real gambler will also not see a big and well performing club on ground to now go after a small upcoming one and still stake on them for winning.

Actually a good gambler doesn't stake on a particular club because is a fan of that particular clubs rather it will stake base on the a quality player in any club that playing against another, so it's wrong from perspective to stake because you're a fan of a of a particular club whe. You know quite well that your club you fan can not defeat their counterpart, as a good gambler what you have to do is to ensure you have examined any club that against any for the match you want to stake on, to know the gravity  of the both clubs before you will predict.

But some people doesn't consider such factors because I know very well that what we need to understand in anything that has to do with gambling is that you will be watchful and observed  the parties of club you are to gamble with, for the aspect of winning in gambling, I will say that winning in gambling should be as a result of opportunity because sometimes a newbie in gambling can stake different games in two different ways and it happens that it's lucky for one of the predictions to come to realities

I will always go for winning bet than my favorite club. Being a fan to any club or team is different from predicting in favour and against my favourite club. Money is always money and betting should not be affiliated with the club you support rather than the betting chances. Betting on your club when it's clear cut a failure to you when you know betting against them will give more chances of winning.

I won't for once make a known failed decision for the sake of loyalty when in true sense a management staff of the same club might choose the opponent over the club. I don't like people who take wrong decisions because of loyalty to clubs at the detriment of their bet winning opportunity.

Real Madrid is a strong club with great players that even outside their domestic league I can comfortably bet in their favour against any team right now and even in the previous season that just ended, and that's because they are in a fierce form to which I don't see any team easily beaten them in a match, so if they get to be your favourite it's understandable.
As gamblers are meant to make realistic bets when selecting our games by doing away with emotions not hoping results will turn around when obvious it's written all over that the weaker team can't win the match.

I normally go for lower odd sizes too due to their high winning chances although it doesn't make it certain to win but there is where winning chances lies but the thing about lower odd size is that you have to stake with a handsome amount of money to be able to get a much potential winning figure.

Majority of us will, we do know that winning would really be the main priority that we do really love to do and even on how much we do admire or like a certain team/player but doesnt mean that we will really be supporting them even if we do saw that they are on disadvantage on which only die hard fans would really be doing that, but for those people who do make up some bets for earning profits then pretty sure that they would really be sticking into those bets on which does have that higher chance on winning rather than on sticking into those teams or players on which you do saw that they do have that least chance.It would really be that impossible that you cant really be able to make up such comparison specially if you are that long time dealing with sports betting then you could be able to point out immediately about advantages and disadvantage.

Overall, it would really be just that depending on you, whether you would really be choosing up into those teams just because you do want/like/admire them? or you would really be of course making up that priority
into those teams who are much better than the other? It would really be just that depending on you but the answer for most people is really such pretty obvious stuff.
If you are really that liking to make bets just because you do want them for you to stick up with them then its your choice.

I am sure that many "hardcore fans" would rather lose/give/do anything just to see their team win, they can be pretty much obsessed, so I wouldn't bother with their thinking. I am loyal to the game, and I like the game. There are teams I like more than others, but I will bet against them if I feel they will lose, I have no problem with that.

I guess we can make a difference between "true fan" and "true gambler", and somehow I am sure that the true gambler will go for the winning bet. We will enjoy the game, especially if it goes along with the prediction we made.

If your bet ever comes down to club loyalty, you should probably just stop betting right then and there are reassess your situation.  I NEVER have club loyalty when placing bets anymore these days.  I learned from playing fantasy football quite some time ago that "betting with your heart instead of your head is a terrible idea".  I was picking my favorite players in drafts/plauyers from "my" team, and that ended up backfiring on me all the time.  Not a good idea.

lol, I don’t think the die hard fan is in a country like mine or maybe he doesn’t have to work so hard for things before getting them, that’s if he even has to work for him to prefer losing a $500 bet than bet against his club or player.
One thing people should under is that, gambling is a game and as such your primary goal is to win regardless of what other target you might have and if a gambler claims he would prefer to lose a bet because of his love for a club or player, then such a gambler should be tagged a careless or very unserious gambler.