Topic: Club loyalty or winning bet? - page 4. (Read 878 times)

I will share a secret by telling, that the person who supports club or athlete will his all heart, does not have to share information about his bet with others Other loyal fans are not monitoring every fans action. What, a person can be expelled from fan club just for betting against?

People should be more reasonable and not mix money and something that attracts them. When people operate with money, they should always have a logical explanation of what they are doing. Bet against, win, spend more money further support.

Thanks for head up, I will not take the $500 because I will live my club and fans to celebrate the victory so that it will be recorded in history that my club won UCL. The reason why I said so is because many fans all over the world will be celebrating and like you said some person goes as far as throwing party because their club won UCL. That's the fun in it.

If I collect the $500 and my club lose the finals, it means that I am only after myself and a fake fan of that club because the money will finish and the defeat will become history, whenever a discussion of that match day is on. Money cannot history and records with trophies.

Main things that should really be considered on which choosing up on which one you would really be making yourself that having those choices whether they would be focusing into emotional aspect or they would really be that basing up into that odds or chances of winning on which i do see  that majority of bettors who do really get in line with this thing rather than on focusing on showing up some support into their teams. It would really be basing up on someones personal choice whether they would really be loyal or not but just like on what most people been saying on here that we are heavily focused
on how we would be able to make ourselves that profitable into betting on which it wont really be something that you would be mindful about being loyal if you do know the chances are really that small
specially on winning a match.

The discussion is not about betting against your club when they are not performing well. It is about choosing between winning $500 and letting your club lose a Champions League final and forgoing the money so that your club wins the competition.

I have seen people spend thousands of dollars to go and watch their favorite teams. In my location, some loyal fans spend money on parties because the club won a trophy. When Chelsea won the UEFA Champions League, loyal fans had a lavish party that cost them so much money. So, I still believe that there are gamblers who will choose to lose $500 on a bet because they want to see their club win this prestigious trophy. Maybe I can conclude that rich gamblers are the ones who will be able to forgo this amount. While gamblers who are low-income earners will grab the sum since it is huge considering how much they earn.

Therefore, I no longer idolize any team in the world,  at least to make me more comfortable betting. Because previously I had a favorite team, for example in Serie A there was Juventus, in England there was Liverpool, in La Liga there was Barcelona and of course in the Bundesliga there was Bayern Munich. But, after I actively bet at that time, at least it made me fixated because it was difficult to bet on the opponent they were facing even though, in reality,the opponent was better at that moment.

Due to this, it felt like I was not free, so I decided to no longer favor any team or idolize any team. Because then of course I can bet comfortably and after a long time has passed, of  course I can enjoy it. But indeed, of course there is no problem if for example you still idolize a team and then you also bet on the opposing team. Because after all,  I think it would be better to make a winning bet than to be stupid betting on your favorite team even though at that moment the opposing team's quality is clearly better.

A truly rational gambler, someone that is interested in increasing their bank account, should be purely looking at it through a mathematical point of view. If the odds are worth the risk and indicate that your preferred team are on the losing side of the bet, then you should choose the bet that will win only. You don't necessarily have to bet against your team if there are many markets open, you could bet on the final total score or the amount of fouls that occur in the game instead. You'll find that many addicted gamblers have thrown all logic out of the window and chase these sort of superstitious ideas, but it just leads to losing money. Bet on your team if you like, but just do it for fun.

Just as I have a favorite team but will not have excessive loyalty, therefore betting on the team that will win it I just want profit even if the favorite team loses it doesn't matter.
It is possible to choose the favorite team and win the bet if they play with a low opponent, but we must be aware of the ball game sometimes even elite teams can lose in the champion league.

There are many people whose attitude of being a diehard fan is affecting their brain not to bet against their supporting club just to appear loyal to a club that is doing their normal business, and cashing out big, not knowing that, there are some of their fans who are blind of not making some little money of placing bets against them when they are not in good form to win matches.

I see this kind of diehard fans who don't bet against their clubs, as those who are been sentimental about football. They don't know what bets are actually for, to bet for fun even against the team you are a fan of.

This is an old discussion but I will still give my contribution. I have passion for my club does not mean that when they are not performing well, I will still throw my money on them when I know that they will not win the game, I see that as a waste of funds.

I will bet against my club, if I know that it is a sure bet and they cannot outperform the club that they are playing with because they are underdogs. When it comes to gambling, I don't have a favorite club because I love to win always if possible and not losing.

In Esports, I am a fan of many teams. But I don't care how much loyalty they would count for because they're all good and this is a community that everyone knows that they're all loved by their fans and everyone who plays the game. If it's with the betting side, they don't mind who's going to side with them or not. As a matter of fact, there have been players that are not even loyal to their teams and to themselves, why? Because of the issues of throwing games so that they can win their own bets casted by another person or staff they own or someone close to them. And that's why loyalty means nothing in esports and the same goes in other sports or clubs that you all know of. It's just such a good feeling to be a fan of the sport that you really like but you have to be different in emotion when you gamble.

Every bettor who likes sports has their own way and opinion, there are die-hard supporters and there are those who see more profitable probabilities than choosing their favorite team. We will find these various phenomena wherever it is, without exception. In fact, everyone has their own will and choice in determining bets. They are free to choose according to their wishes, even though the probability of losing is very high. It's just that they are brave and willing to do it. In addition, they are supporters who do not see other options other than choosing their favorite team. Sometimes, we can do things like that. It's just that, there is always a reason for speculation to choose a favorite team even though the ratio of losing is quite large. Football is unique, we will not implement the same policy in every bet. Sometimes emotional roles are involved in betting, especially in crucial matches such as the example in this thread.

For me personally, it all depends on the options given by the bookie. Plus, every decision must involve a rational choice. When choosing a favorite team and the opponent is a tough team, what percentage do we have if the choice is the favorite team. for me, it's not just about the club I love. but, how we can win the bet. I am the type of bettor who never chooses a team that is against my favorite team, but in fact there are other options that I can do. that's the use of research and analysis, so that we can choose other options than choosing a team. the option of two teams scoring goals, Under/Over and others like that are more ideal for me. regarding loyalty, all bettors have their own understanding.

If I'm not mistaken, one of the main rules in sports betting is: "don't put your feelings into gambling" based on this precept, when we are going to place a bet, we cannot bet based on the feelings we have for the team we are fans of. We have to look at the data that is before our eyes, such as whether the team has lost more or less in direct confrontations with the opponent, the results of the last 5 games, the quality of each team's squad, the performance of each team when playing away or at home. When we analyze all these points very carefully, then we can make a decision. If the decision is that the team we are fans of has a greater chance of losing, then we have to bet on the opponent and accept the result. If a person keeps putting feelings into gambling, then that person will be more likely to lose everything they have and become depressed.

You choice then its none others business on how they would really be gonna be dealing with it. We do re ally know that there are people who are really die hard fans on which no matter what they do and see
then if they have seen up their team/club is on the line then they would really immediately making up some bets blindly even if they are really that on disadvantage. Well, its their money so its their right on which one they would really be choosing and which one they would really be supporting.For those sportbettors who are really that minding about winning then of course they would really be focusing into those teams on which it does have that advantage on which its normal. There are really that people who are really just that making themselves blind as long they do support their favorite team.

For me then of course i would really be choosing on whose on the advantage. Although it wont really be that precise anytime but at least you've sticken into yourself on choosing
on which does have that better winning rate.

We must accept the fact that our favorite team can be superior on some teams and inferior on other teams. Even to the point if the other team has injured players, it will still beat your team.

So, if you have a chance to make a profit, then go for it; it's not that you are betraying your team. It's an opportunity for you to make money; as a gambler, that's an opportunity loss for making a profit if you're not going for it.

It's different if you're a gambler and an avid fan. If you are not a gambler, then don't bet and just support and cheer your team.
 

Sometimes there are personal reasons someone would wants their team to win but to me when it's obvious that they may likely not win then I  may either not place a bet at all or will have placed on the opposing team.

Though many have use betting against their team as a consolation of at least gaining more while their team disappointingly lose and I prefer this because I rather not take both Loss.

This is just it. The club do not have its own betting site. So why should a fan be so foolish of knowing the club he is supporting would lose and still bet on the club. If the person bet against the club and the club lose, not that the club will lose more because the person do not bet on them.

It does not make sense and I see it as foolishness because if the club win and the person lose, the club will not give the money lost back to the loser.

That is true. If the bettors can afford to lose the money, he has nothing to worry about. But I can not do that. It would be like I saw the right thing but just decide to go the wrong way.

I choose winning bet because I don't have favorite team. With choosing any team that have a chance to win makes me can across the border to choose any team without feels bad if I can't support my team. That's a gambling game for me and nothing to lose for me if I do that because I am not a fan for any club. I don't want to lose $500 for my favorite team that doesn't have a chance to wins in the match because that will makes me crazy as that money is too big for me. Nothing wrong with that but if you are a fan of a club, that will makes you feels not right if you choose the opponent club or others.

People wants their favorite club win so they will choose their team and make them win the bet. But they should realizes their team can not always win the match especially if they meet a strong opponent. Although they still have a chance to change the situation, that will not easy because their opponent too strong for them.

Similar topics have been discussed in other threads but the question still remains relevant because it's a hot topic of debate in different gatherings. My take on it is that betting the other team that is playing with the team that you support doesn't mean that you don't support your team anymore or you're not a loyal fan. If some of the key players in the team that you support are not going to play maybe due to injury and you think that the other team has higher chances of winning, I think that it'll make financial sense to bet on the other team to win.

I know that we have die-hard fans that will go ahead to bet on the team that they support to win in a match, even when every probability is indicating that the other team will win. It's their money and they're entitled to do what they want with it, I'll just hope that such fans will bet with the amount that they can afford to loose.

The essence of gambling is to hit a win but if one choose to be loyal to his/her club then good for the person. But in gambling it is good when people take away sentiments and understand that gambling is just a game and it doesn't mean for one to too stick to the club he belongs to. When gambling we bet by supporting the team that is more superior in strength to win the weaker club. We all know the strength of our respective club, and if their is a stronger club playing against your own club which you are aware of it, then why not play the game and win some cash. You can still gamble and still be loyal to the club you belong to.

2 different perspective, the first person can be said as non real bettor because he does not care of losing his money as long as his favorite club win the title.
On the other side, the 2nd person can be said as real bettor because the main purpose is exactly to make money from betting.
Real bettor although he is also a fan of a club, will not bet on his favorite club if he thinks that the chance to win is so low.
Logically why we would throw some money away just to bet on our favorite club when we are sure that our favorite club will not win.
This is why when it comes to favorite club, we should not use our emotion only just to prove that we are real fans by betting on them.