Topic: Cockfighting? - page 20. (Read 3863 times)

From the point of view of an American from NY, or from SF, or from some traditional inhabitant of a European country, of course, cockfights are wild and cruel entertainment.  This is the approach we have.  

However, if you ask someone from a country where cockfighting is part of the tradition of this people, then for such people this is normal. If this happens in a village where there are a lot of chicken and roosters, then for these people it is normal.  
Different approaches to this problem clearly say that no one will ban cockfighting in such places.

If its something that do talks about being traditional then you could really expect that it would really be done or would really be getting out that kind of support or would really be doing it out and expect that there would really be some places on which arent really that licensed or having the permit and its not really that a shocking situation on which they would really be thinking up that having those permits would really be getting a huge cut when it comes to their overall revenue. If you are a gambler or really that a fan of cockfighting then it would be always advisable that you should really be that going into those places on which are legal and permitted so that incase theres a raid then you wont really be putting up yourself on so much trouble,

There are indeed things in life on which it cant really be something be stopped just because it had been instilled into heir cultural aspect and been part
of the tradition whether it would really be on some fiestas or some gatherings or whatever event it would be. Just like been said that this is really that truly that popular or eastern countries specially on Asia on which cockfighting brings out that kind of interest on which it is really that something that
lots of people been entertained. Speaking about online sites or platforms that do offer such thing then there are sure that existing but it would be better
on sticking into those places which are regulated or having the permission to operate so that it would be considered to be legal and you wont be putting yourself on such possible problem.

Yes some places will have a cockfighting during their festival it's their traditions so we can't say that they can stop this traditions cause it will bound from their ancestors. And also in cock fighting if your rooster will win then the rest rooster from your opponent has been given to you so that you can cook and eat with your friends once you will win. Here in my country there are many gambler still gamble in cockfighting even though it will against the law if they don't have permit to operate.

Someone replied here about politicians owning a farm of roosters for fighting. Cockfighting was already rooted in the country long before it even gained independence from its colonizers, I bet they have cock festivals to celebrate, don't they? Traditions like this will not die and after all, chickens are easy to breed, there is no scarcity of chicken. It's not an endangered species.

In the US, there are also people involved as they said it's in the rural areas where the hood never mind the roosters wakes them up in the morning.
Check this DEA raids Phoenix home and finds cockfighting ring with more than 100 roosters. The anchor says its a blood sport    
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MSPUEoKXA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWxkL9tOj5k

In the modern world, everyone understands that cockfighting is a cruel entertainment and the governments of many countries should of course prohibit such entertainment.  

However, in those countries where cockfighting is their national tradition, such a ban is extremely difficult to introduce.  Any politician or popularly elected member of the Legislative Assembly of the country who proposes to legally establish bans on traditional folk entertainment always runs the risk of losing the support of the local population in the elections.  That is why many such politicians seem to constantly say that this is bad entertainment, but in reality they do nothing and just engage in demagogy.  None of them wants to lose the support of voters.  
That's why, as I think, it is so difficult to deal with real bans and cockfights in several countries of the world.

Yes, cockfights are often carried out in rural or inland areas because they are still thick with tradition. However, if cockfighting is carried out in an area where traditional or customary cockfighting is still practiced, the authorities will not make any arrests because it is not for gambling and the area uses the cockfighting tradition for religious events.
However, for rural people who are not deeply involved in the tradition of cockfighting, they do it as a betting arena in a place hidden from the crowd. And in my area there are still those who do that, and provide arenas and traders for visitors. And the risk is, if the authorities detect it, the place will be raided when it's busy.

I think the government can regulate it if they want to prevent it. But what you said is that they don't take proper action in this matter which is why this type of game is still being conducted in many places. After any law is passed, the public must be well informed about why the law was made. There is no problem in people gambling but if they take part in illegal gambling then there must be penal action. And if the law enforcement agencies do their duty properly then this kind of gambling will not be seen again.

Yes... I know that there are several areas where cockfighting is legal. For example, in China, there are certain regions that legalize cockfighting activities for the reason that this activity is part of history and with cockfighting activities they hope to attract tourists to visit their region and this was even initiated by the regional government directly. And for the Indonesian state there is also an area that legalizes cockfighting, namely one of them is Bali, this is because cockfighting is part of their customs, it's just that in carrying out cockfighting activities there should not be money circulation or money betting. however, as has been said, in its implementation there are always syndicates played by irresponsible law enforcement officials.


As far as I know, many illegal cockfighting activities are held in rural areas and remote areas. this is none other than because to protect the privacy of these activities and even if they have to pay bribes to law enforcement officials, then the amount of bribes is not too large and does not involve too many people to carry out the syndicate. the case is different from in the city where when you want to carry out cockfighting activities you have to take complicated administrative routes and require a lot of money for the smooth running of these activities.
And when someone loves cockfighting, whenever, wherever and whatever the risks, they will do it.

Law enforcement officers have their eyes on ground mostly in cities and towns, but not villages and rural areas, cockfighting, if I am correct with my presumptions or assumptions rather, is a game that is mostly held in villages and rural areas, I presume this because looking at the nature of god fight as a game, it is not a game for those who live in the city or developed areas, but a game for villagers who do not probably have access to other types of games, I presumed or assumed this because City people who have businesses to look after or office is to go to will not have time for games like cockfighting,  so speaking about law enforcement officers, there is no way we expect them to go after people they do not see and do not have any information about in a city where cockfighting games is a crime.

Even though law enforcement officials were asked to take action, they would not take action because there had been bribes from betting place owners, so they would pretend that they had not found anything suspicious. That is what causes a lot of corruption to occur in many countries and is difficult to eradicate. Laws are just written on paper because the people who take action can easily tell law enforcement officers to walk away as if nothing existed.

Law enforcement officials do not need to detail and explain directly why they made such regulations. This often happens everywhere, especially if we meet law enforcement officials who are used to pressuring people to get bribes. Those who commit illegal acts can continue their operations without fear of being reported by law enforcement officials.

However, law enforcement officials should be able to provide an explanation why it is prohibited in their country. But if it's still related to traditional events in that country, cockfighting is still allowed only for that event. And the public should be able to understand the meaning of these regulations.

There are still legal cock fighting events in our country but they need to get license from the government to run it legally. However, the government has been really strict in releasing license since there are illegal activities happening behind it and recently, there were also incidents of crimes that involves some authorities.
There are still lots of cock fighters and organizers as well as agents who are missing until now. Cock fighting has been a traditional gambling game here in our country but as it innovates, illegal activities has also been rising so we can't blame the government for taking control of it though we can't deny the fact that there are also huge people behind these illegal activities or should we say cock fighting syndicate.

regardless of the government's unilateral decision to regulate activities carried out by the community. Law enforcement officials have also not been able to explain directly and in detail why cockfighting has become an illegal act and activity in society. They only say that cockfighting is illegal and against the rules, and when people commit cockfights, that person is guilty and should be caught and punished. If such actions are taken by law enforcement officials, it will only lead to conflict between cockfighting culture preservers and law enforcement officials. and the middle way, in addition to having a strong community approach, law enforcement officials must also be able to initiate and influence traditional leaders if there are any or community leaders, because people tend to obey tribal leaders or figures they respect.

Apart from that, there are often several law enforcement officers who protect this activity (cockfighting). Where there is collusion or cooperation between law enforcement officials and cockfighting perpetrators, and this will only make it more difficult to stop cockfighting activities.

I don't think you can compare boxing, wrestling, MMA, or any other human game that involves fighting with cockfighting or any other game where two animals are forced to fight each other to death. Do you think that humans are raised up for this purpose and are prepared without knowing about it that they are going to fight when they grow up? They aren't, they do it willingly and not by anyone forcing them into it and they also don't kill each other.

Cockfighting dog fighting or any other game that involves two or more animals fighting each other until the opponent dies or almost dies are basically unethical games and they should be banned all around the world. A tradition that forces animals to become fighters and then forces them to die in the arena should be banned.

The thing with law enforcement officers is that they only take action when they're being required or when something happens already, it has always been the case. The thing is, there are two types of people those who want a work or those who are lazy just to bet on anything as if it's a work/job, well, it's not. Lot and lots of laws just tell how corrupt that country/society is.

If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.

It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.

Yes.. However, over time, cockfighting underwent several changes that made this fight even crueler, causing some people to oppose it. Which is where cockfighting at this time uses a sharp weapon that is applied to the chicken which can cause one of the losing chickens to die horribly.

I haven't heard of any places you've mentioned where this game cockfighting is legal or played. Mostly I've seen this in India or Pakistan where they locally bet in villages on such cocks labelling them before the fight and then the one who wins, remains alive and the cock that loses gets cooked. I don't think this game will ever be seen on a casino to bet on. I've also seen some animal fights like forcefully sending a cow to fight a bull, then there are dog fights, and whatnot. I don't think any such games are either allowed by govs or available on any casino as it spreads too much negativity, stress, feeling of fear which becomes unbearable when we see our loving animal not just losing but also being beaten by the very same animal which shows that our mentality speaks for itself and that we are no more humans but turned into animals ourselves.

There is no shortage of people watching this game. In short, it can be a popular game. But if the fight is made where the rooster gets hurt, how do you fell that? If you can make sure no rooster gets hurt then I guess this game is not bad. This has been identified in disallowing this game today. Some feel that animals are being treated unfairly if such sports are encouraged. There are other forms of gambling but we should never allow fatal gambling.

They should all protect animal rights.