Topic: Coin-Sweeper | #1 Bitcoin Minesweeper Site From Bitcoin Talk Members | 1% Edge - page 16. (Read 25696 times)

A better analogy might be the coffee shop advertising "Calorie Free!" and then turning around and saying: "The ingredients list says it has sugar, only a low-IQ person would think sugar has no calories". Or more concretely, if the game isn't skill based -- don't call it skill based.

Or continuing the analogy, the strategy stuff is like putting up a poster in front of your coffee shop with: "How you could get a FREE COFFEE: SMILE WHEN ORDERING THE COFFEE" to lure customers in, all the while having a no free coffee policy ("..but they COULD get a free cofee").

Going to take this on board and re-visit the wording. The clearer we can make it that there is a set house edge, regardless of strategy, the better it will be for new players.

I don't think it's fair to say people who play gambling games are low IQ. They way I think about it is that when people use a service they know what to expect. If you go into a coffee shop and get charged for your coffee people don't riot in the streets, it's understood that there is a charge for that service. When people visit a physical casino they know that the majority of the people leaving are leaving with less money than they entered with, but they play for their own reasons (be it hopes of a big win, that they enjoy the gameplay, to be social, or whatever). I believe people play online games for their own reasons too, and that the website is very explicit about the presence of a house edge. I'm going to adjust the wording based on your feedback so it's even clearer

The same way we learn to trust or distrust others. A gradual process, based on how I behave. Trust takes weeks and months to earn and I'm not expecting anything for free. Thanks for the great questions - I'll drop a reply when the wording has been clarified, I appreciate your help

No hard feelings at all. I realize how much time and energy went into making this game, and I think you've done a good job -- I just wish you'd market it a bit more honestly


No, it's not. It's the definition of a game that is pure chance!


But you know very well that there aren't strategies for success, yet you on to list strategies that you full well know do not work. Just be honest and say

"Fun ways to play the game! It won't change your odds, but can be a fun way to play"



Then why do it?! How do you expect people to trust you, when you are basically saying "oh, I'm only trying to trick low IQ people". Honestly, the whole thing doesn't sit well with me...

hmm ok will try this

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thanks

Thanks for the feedback espringe. The strategies listed aren't prescriptions or enforced. They were written for a bit of fun and to hopefully get people thinking about how they can approach the game

As it says under the 'Strategies' heading on the How To Play page, "In our experience people develop their own strategies for success with Coin-Sweeper. You will need to find what works best for you!". I'm sorry you feel like I've been borderline dishonest - that's not my intention. You quoted a snippet of my post and right before what you quoted I did clearly state the mathematical facts. I encourage those reading this to read my original post too in the original context (#24 in this thread).

People make their own decisions about what they do with their bitcoins. My personal experience is that people with bitcoins seem to have higher IQs than the average person (let's be fair, you need to be better with computers than the average person just to get a wallet! let alone go through the process of funding it) and I trust people to see straight through any trickery.

Going back to the original question: my read on the reason the percentages won/lost differ so much right now between real and practice games are a reflection of:
- people being more risk averse when real bitcoins are involved (or on the flip side, taking more risks when there aren't any consequences to clicking a bomb)
- the small number of games played (we're only 22,000~ games in - who knows how many games will be needed for it to converge on the 1% as written in the algorithm)

Happy to discuss this further here, or in private. Hope this makes my intent clearer and no hard feelings <3

I think you have quite a neat concept, and it does seems pretty polished -- but I must say, I find this sort of talk and the strategies listed on the homepage as being very off-putting and borderline dishonest. Instead of telling people the truth, you seed them with superstitious nonsense (like lucky sha's, really?) and just in general try trick people into playing the tiles a sort of multi-armed bandit problem.

A few people have been asking us where the skill is. Mathematically there shouldn't be any skill involved - every game has the same odds with a 1% edge so should have the same outcome. Over many many many games the house edge will average out to 1% of the amount gambled.

But in the real world it seems to make a big difference. When people are playing practice games (like you were) the house edge is coming out around 7.5%~ in the houses' favor. While for games with real money the house edge is coming out around 0.7%~. This suggests that whatever 'skill' or 'techniques' people are using when they play real games is making a big difference in their outcome!

It was too bad it was practice mode - a win of that size would have put your game firmly on the front page! The current biggest win (in absolute numbers, not relative) was Game #12509:
https://www.coin-sweeper.com/gameViewer?games=12509
They took home 0.753 BTC on the 21 bomb grid!

    Its funny as hell, even if House Edge is huge. VERY entertaining, its perfect to blow some steam(and mBTC)
Btw, i understand the luck factor. Where on Earth is the skill factor??

for the record



Too bad it was practise mode though!

I will be creating a new thread for the giveaway which will start this Saturday/Sunday I will announce it in this thread first so make sure you are watching this space!

In the meantime I put a little something in your accounts to have a try!

Still giving something? if so my in-site addy is 1KdVPocxm3dkzMgtHGTHKopyU7EdK7j6qu

Username: ndnhc

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Looks Cool  

I entered the wrong username here first. My account is still credited with 1 mBTC   

Awesome! I just credited your account with 0.01BTC's! Enjoy 

I also see you set a password for your account - good stuff.

sweeper game is hard game ever... did u have programe for we try ur game

Set up my new account
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Cant wait to try it out!!!
 

Thanks for the kind words We are happy you enjoyed the game!

Good question on the provably fair gaming, we take this very seriously. We have a link here which I hope explains it all - https://www.coin-sweeper.com/faq#provably-fair

If you need any further clarification let me know 

Thanks for the awesome review   

We will be in touch when the Affiliate program officially launches later this month!

I enjoyed playing the game and kinda getting addicted to play more and more. Btw, how do I know if every round of the game is provably fair ? is there a link or something I can do about it ?

We just wrote a review of Coin Sweeper at CGR 

http://www.coingamblingreviews.com/review/coin-sweeper/

replied !
I'll be waiting until then

waiting for the giveaway