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Topic: Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong calls the industry to fork Bitcoin Core - page 5. (Read 9286 times)

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
This is so stupid. It is possible (but certainly not assured) that a coalition of Coinbase and some other big exchanges could apply enough economic pressure to force through a hardfork vis-à-vis the economic majority, but:

- If they fail, it will massively damage them.
- If they succeed, it will massively damage Bitcoin. A large percentage of users will refuse to switch, so they've automatically reduced the size of the Bitcoin economy -- both the price and their number of customers will go down. And BIP 101 itself is basically suicidal.

I like BashCo's epic dressing down of the Gavinistas.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3rlkh2/adam_back_says_there_is_vote_manipulation/cwpcopq
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abusive voting patterns were stifling the block size debate leading up to the release of the non-consensus code. This had created an illusion of popular support by the time XT was released and the new subreddit policy was enacted in response. I didn't notice any decrease in vote abuse at that point. I'd say the problem only got worse after the XT sub was created and 'everybody left'. This is because they didn't leave since nobody followed them like they expected, and XT adoption flopped hard. So now we're stuck with maybe 500 people who don't want to be here, but don't have the support they thought they did as evidenced by metrics across the board.  They're bitter, angry, loud and just hang around and ruin the experience of other readers who don't share their views, but aren't willing to stick their head out for fear of getting sniped.
legendary
Activity: 2618
Merit: 1252
XT has code which blacklists IPs. Until that is removed, it can keep sinking to where it deserves to go.
Even without those features XT stands for 8 GB blocks.
In 20 years...

I suggest that we (all bitcoin users not just the miners) decide now what limit we need now. In 20 years we decide what limit we need at this point in time or if we don't need a limit anymore. With bitcoin we don't need a master that tells us what we have to do. Only slaves have masters.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
This is so stupid. It is possible (but certainly not assured) that a coalition of Coinbase and some other big exchanges could apply enough economic pressure to force through a hardfork vis-à-vis the economic majority, but:

- If they fail, it will massively damage them.
- If they succeed, it will massively damage Bitcoin. A large percentage of users will refuse to switch, so they've automatically reduced the size of the Bitcoin economy -- both the price and their number of customers will go down. And BIP 101 itself is basically suicidal.

It looks like BitStamp is one of the most sane exchanges nowadays.

P.S. I was trying to find that quote from Gavin where he describes his vision of Bitcoin's future as being one where full nodes are only run by what are essentially banks. It was several paragraphs long. Does anyone have that?

Say the idiot himself.

Calling something stupid while the whole community calls you idiot....
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1004
XT is just another e-currency controlled by Gavin&Co.... Co = Coinbase and other big exchangers.

XT has nothing to do with BTC. It modifies the BTC core to become something different. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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P.S. I was trying to find that quote from Gavin where he describes his vision of Bitcoin's future as being one where full nodes are only run by what are essentially banks. It was several paragraphs long. Does anyone have that?

Are you trying to find what Gavin expanded on that matter? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6306
staff
Activity: 4214
Merit: 1203
I support freedom of choice
P.S. I was trying to find that quote from Gavin where he describes his vision of Bitcoin's future as being one where full nodes are only run by what are essentially banks. It was several paragraphs long. Does anyone have that?
Maybe you are referring to something that even Satoshi said.
As I remember correctly, he even thought that even different continents could be concurring on the mining, but it has passed a lot of time...

Anyway, you should jump out of your bubble and see who and what is really damaging the community.

Make your statements as you are doing, but let the others doing it also.
administrator
Activity: 5166
Merit: 12850
This is so stupid. It is possible (but certainly not assured) that a coalition of Coinbase and some other big exchanges could apply enough economic pressure to force through a hardfork vis-à-vis the economic majority, but:

- If they fail, it will massively damage them.
- If they succeed, it will massively damage Bitcoin. A large percentage of users will refuse to switch, so they've automatically reduced the size of the Bitcoin economy -- both the price and their number of customers will go down. And BIP 101 itself is basically suicidal.

It looks like BitStamp is one of the most sane exchanges nowadays.

P.S. I was trying to find that quote from Gavin where he describes his vision of Bitcoin's future as being one where full nodes are only run by what are essentially banks. It was several paragraphs long. Does anyone have that?
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3071
This anti-DDOS feature is not something set in stone.

Thankfully the same is true of the majority of Mike Hearn's attempts at design solutions.

Remind me again, what happened to "Just turn it off. It's that simple."?
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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Just turn it off. It's that simple.

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/issues/40

No that won't work. That prevents your node banning others, not yours from getting banned. XT users will have to live with little to no Tor connectivity.

Only when nodes are being under DDOS attack.

Wrong again, XT node operators can decide to disconnect Tor connected nodes as they please, doesn't matter whether there's a DDOS attack taking place or not.

True but they are not disconnected by default. Secondly, people can run BIP101 nodes implemented on Core instead of XT. This anti-DDOS feature is not something set in stone.
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3071
Just turn it off. It's that simple.

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/issues/40

No that won't work. That prevents your node banning others, not yours from getting banned. XT users will have to live with little to no Tor connectivity.

Only when nodes are being under DDOS attack.

Wrong again, XT node operators can decide to disconnect Tor connected nodes as they please, doesn't matter whether there's a DDOS attack taking place or not. What happened to "Just turn it off. It's that simple."? Misleading statement, wasn't it? It literally isn't that simple, as you and I are demonstrating?
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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XT has code which blacklists IPs. Until that is removed, it can keep sinking to where it deserves to go.

EDIT: This is another unfortunate desire of Coinbase. They have a history of rejecting accounts due to tainted Bitcoins. IMHO this destroys the fungibility property of Bitcoin. If your BTC can be rejected because it was used for undesirable activities in the past (even if you had nothing to do with those activities) then your BTC is not worth the same as other BTC. It's also a form of censorship.

THis is pretty much the end of the debate right here, nothing else matters.  The idea of blacklisting coins, go make some shitcoin.

Just turn it off. It's that simple.

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/issues/40

No that won't work. That prevents your node banning others, not yours from getting banned. XT users will have to live with little to no Tor connectivity.

Only when nodes are being under DDOS attack.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1004
Oh how I wish the Bitcoin community would shun Coinbase...  Everything about that company is pure evil.

They are not alone on that boat you know?

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

Scust. A bunch of banking parasites pretending to be important.



LOL. This is Bitcoin -  not communist coin.
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3071
XT has code which blacklists IPs. Until that is removed, it can keep sinking to where it deserves to go.

EDIT: This is another unfortunate desire of Coinbase. They have a history of rejecting accounts due to tainted Bitcoins. IMHO this destroys the fungibility property of Bitcoin. If your BTC can be rejected because it was used for undesirable activities in the past (even if you had nothing to do with those activities) then your BTC is not worth the same as other BTC. It's also a form of censorship.

THis is pretty much the end of the debate right here, nothing else matters.  The idea of blacklisting coins, go make some shitcoin.

Just turn it off. It's that simple.

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/issues/40

No that won't work. That prevents your node banning others, not yours from getting banned. XT users will have to live with little to no Tor connectivity.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
Oh how I wish the Bitcoin community would shun Coinbase...  Everything about that company is pure evil.

They are not alone on that boat you know?

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

Scust. A bunch of banking parasites pretending to be important.

How many full nodes do they run?

How much hashing power do they have behind them?

How many bitcoins do they own?

The industry of Bitcoinfiat companies is the economic minority. Their decision have no incidence within the Bitcoin economy.

legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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Oh how I wish the Bitcoin community would shun Coinbase...  Everything about that company is pure evil.

They are not alone on that boat you know?

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/
donator
Activity: 4732
Merit: 4240
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Oh how I wish the Bitcoin community would shun Coinbase...  Everything about that company is pure evil.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
--------------->¿?
XT has code which blacklists IPs. Until that is removed, it can keep sinking to where it deserves to go.

EDIT: This is another unfortunate desire of Coinbase. They have a history of rejecting accounts due to tainted Bitcoins. IMHO this destroys the fungibility property of Bitcoin. If your BTC can be rejected because it was used for undesirable activities in the past (even if you had nothing to do with those activities) then your BTC is not worth the same as other BTC. It's also a form of censorship.

THis is pretty much the end of the debate right here, nothing else matters.  The idea of blacklisting coins, go make some shitcoin.

Just turn it off. It's that simple.

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/issues/40
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1000
XT has code which blacklists IPs. Until that is removed, it can keep sinking to where it deserves to go.

EDIT: This is another unfortunate desire of Coinbase. They have a history of rejecting accounts due to tainted Bitcoins. IMHO this destroys the fungibility property of Bitcoin. If your BTC can be rejected because it was used for undesirable activities in the past (even if you had nothing to do with those activities) then your BTC is not worth the same as other BTC. It's also a form of censorship.

THis is pretty much the end of the debate right here, nothing else matters.  The idea of blacklisting coins, go make some shitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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Satoshi never designed Bitcoin for your free shit nodes army.

I'm gonna keep this quote close. Thank you.

So just in order to clear the air you confirm that you vision of Bitcoin is one of mega data centers running full nodes with every individual users all over the world using SPV?

Basically yes, the same vision Satoshi had and we all bought in. Unless you have something better to propose that is not vaporware as of right now?

Satoshi's vision was dependent on SPV having fraud proof level security which it does not and we have little idea how to implement with current technology.


It's not like nodes will turn out as data centers by tomorrow, even with bigger blocks we are years away from that. That gives plenty of time to improve security of SPV clients which is already good.

Also, it's not because we get bigger blocks that we can't still find solutions to keep the blockchain as small as possible. Everyone agrees that it is a good thing. It’s not because solutions aren't available now that they won’t arise in the future.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
Satoshi never designed Bitcoin for your free shit nodes army.

I'm gonna keep this quote close. Thank you.

So just in order to clear the air you confirm that you vision of Bitcoin is one of mega data centers running full nodes with every individual users all over the world using SPV?

Basically yes, the same vision Satoshi had and we all bought in. Unless you have something better to propose that is not vaporware as of right now?

Satoshi's vision was dependent on SPV having fraud proof level security which it does not and we have little idea how to implement with current technology.

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