There is only one thing that it seems that all Bitcoin users are forced to: use the Bitcoin Core client 
You are free to use your Bitcoin XT but we won't buy your worthless altcoins, ever.
Topic: Coinbase is overstepping the bounds we should give it regarding Bitcoin XT - page 5. (Read 6618 times)
November 07, 2015, 05:20:41 PM
You are free to use your Bitcoin XT but we won't buy your worthless altcoins, ever.
November 07, 2015, 05:18:05 PM
I don't know what Coinbase managers think about this but it looks pretty sketchy to force users to use an altcoin (XT), they open accounts there to use Bitcoin technology. That's fraud at its worst.
I have never used their service as they don't even offer it in my country, but I don't think I'm ever gonna use it even if they would. Because, obviously this attitude.
"No one man should have all that power."
I have never used their service as they don't even offer it in my country, but I don't think I'm ever gonna use it even if they would. Because, obviously this attitude.
"No one man should have all that power."
November 07, 2015, 05:12:37 PM
Well being a centralized service and all they can certainly force a lot of things on their users
What? Nothing. None is forced to use their services.Same bullshit, again.
There is only one thing that it seems that all Bitcoin users are forced to: use the Bitcoin Core client
theymos just get rid of that rat already.
November 07, 2015, 05:07:36 PM
Well being a centralized service and all they can certainly force a lot of things on their users
What? Nothing. None is forced to use their services.Same bullshit, again.
There is only one thing that it seems that all Bitcoin users are forced to: use the Bitcoin Core client
BINGO!
November 07, 2015, 05:05:11 PM
but you can all be sure that there will be an increase of the blocksize
Eventually, of course. I agree that will eventually have to happen. But this is not the way if we wish to stay the way Bitcoin was intended.
knight 22 and meono are certainly earning their wages recently - relentless pushiness about... 'freedom of choice'
bizarre...
we're all free to do as they say, it seems...
well, i'm not going over to XT, and am now bored with their noise.
coinbase ?
whatever...
bizarre...
we're all free to do as they say, it seems...
well, i'm not going over to XT, and am now bored with their noise.
coinbase ?
whatever...
Indeed, I am remaining with Bitcoin Core. I am not going to support Coinbase with what they are doing.
November 07, 2015, 04:58:47 PM
knight 22 and meono are certainly earning their wages recently - relentless pushiness about... 'freedom of choice'
bizarre...
we're all free to do as they say, it seems...
well, i'm not going over to XT, and am now bored with their noise.
coinbase ?
whatever...
bizarre...
we're all free to do as they say, it seems...
well, i'm not going over to XT, and am now bored with their noise.
coinbase ?
whatever...
November 07, 2015, 04:50:49 PM
BIP 101 is a laughably stupid and irresponsible proposal. An exponential block size limit increase is a bad idea built on pie-in-the-sky expectations. Bitcoin is not going to handle the world's transactions. The block target of 10 minutes makes sure of that. XT is BIP 101 plus handing the keys to the client to an arrogant fuck. If you still support XT you should really consider what it would mean if it was successful.
November 07, 2015, 04:24:21 PM
Well being a centralized service and all they can certainly force a lot of things on their users
What? Nothing. None is forced to use their services.Same bullshit, again.
There is only one thing that it seems that all Bitcoin users are forced to: use the Bitcoin Core client
BINGO!
November 07, 2015, 04:16:35 PM
You are confusing these companies with "the market" 
"Will the users want to spend less money on fees and have faster confirmations?"
It doesn't need that a company gives advise to have already the answer to this question. It has an obvious demand, so be prepared.
"Do you want to give miners the power to choose whenever they want to extend or shorten the block size at will?" (BIP100)
This for me smells of insecurity and unpredictability, again I don't see how this can be seen as a solution from the majority of the users/market.
It won't be.
I don't know if it will be the BIP101, but you can all be sure that there will be an increase of the blocksize AND miners will not get any vote power.
There is only one direction, whatever some companies can say.
"Will the users want to spend less money on fees and have faster confirmations?"
It doesn't need that a company gives advise to have already the answer to this question. It has an obvious demand, so be prepared.
"Do you want to give miners the power to choose whenever they want to extend or shorten the block size at will?" (BIP100)
This for me smells of insecurity and unpredictability, again I don't see how this can be seen as a solution from the majority of the users/market.
It won't be.
I don't know if it will be the BIP101, but you can all be sure that there will be an increase of the blocksize AND miners will not get any vote power.
There is only one direction, whatever some companies can say.
November 07, 2015, 04:04:59 PM
Well being a centralized service and all they can certainly force a lot of things on their users
What? Nothing. None is forced to use their services.Same bullshit, again.
There is only one thing that it seems that all Bitcoin users are forced to: use the Bitcoin Core client
No, no-one is. But if Microsoft, Apple and all the other for-profit operating system makers wanted to push the same change to their clients, it'd likely be very successful, correct? Sure, some people would change to something like Linux, but generally the change would be pushed to much more than 75% of computer users. A forced consensus.
Here, we have things such as Coinbase and BitPay and Blockchain. 2 are payment processors, 2 also are wallets. If they forcefully change over to XT/BIP101 we may have large issues.
No-one is actually forced to use Bitcoin Core, in all fairness, and consensus exists for BIP100.
November 07, 2015, 03:59:18 PM
Well being a centralized service and all they can certainly force a lot of things on their users
What? Nothing. None is forced to use their services.Same bullshit, again.
There is only one thing that it seems that all Bitcoin users are forced to: use the Bitcoin Core client
November 07, 2015, 03:57:51 PM
Again, I fail to see the hostility behind people freely moving away. If there is hostility then it is coming from you.
Then why the constant posting by you (as a shill) about this?
If people freely wanted to move away then they wouldn't need you to push them would they?
I consider lengthily debate as a good thing but at some point it has to come to an end. Some businesses have put december as a deadline and all the people that want to move away are waiting for that deadline to move at the same time which is natural.
The situation is now this, some people considered the status quo as a consensus and firmly sit on it. while in fact, it is not. Now those on want to move are about to make a move because the other side is taking advantage of the status quo and are unwilling to give an inch, in a timely matter. Ignoring the "time" variable is where you people failed at reaching a consensus. There is still a month remaining though so the ball is in your camp.
We don't wanna play bals with you shills.
I'm afraid December will come and you parasites will hang around without ever admitting your crushing defeat
One thing is for sure, you won't succeed at forcing your useless small blocks on the market.
They haven't been forced on anyone. The fact is, there is currently consensus for 1MB blocks. There is not yet consensus in the wider community for BIP101. The fact that Coinbase is trying to force XT and BIP101 on everyone is grossly out of place.
This is where you are wrong and why all this mess is happening.
Do we really have to spell out the difference between consensus and unanimity to you?
I am pretty sure you get what I mean as an intelligent person.
November 07, 2015, 03:57:21 PM
How can Coinbase force someone to do anything is still to be explained lol
Well being a centralized service and all they can certainly force a lot of things on their users
November 07, 2015, 03:56:37 PM
There is general consensus amongst nodes and miners. The fact that some companies are trying to force us to move over to BIP101 does not mean that there is general consensus, only that those and a few others are trying to force us to give consensus to it.
Exactly - there is no widespread support for BIP101 as has been proved by the blockchain.
November 07, 2015, 03:56:29 PM
Again, I fail to see the hostility behind people freely moving away. If there is hostility then it is coming from you.
Then why the constant posting by you (as a shill) about this?
If people freely wanted to move away then they wouldn't need you to push them would they?
I consider lengthily debate as a good thing but at some point it has to come to an end. Some businesses have put december as a deadline and all the people that want to move away are waiting for that deadline to move at the same time which is natural.
The situation is now this, some people considered the status quo as a consensus and firmly sit on it. while in fact, it is not. Now those on want to move are about to make a move because the other side is taking advantage of the status quo and are unwilling to give an inch, in a timely matter. Ignoring the "time" variable is where you people failed at reaching a consensus. There is still a month remaining though so the ball is in your camp.
We don't wanna play bals with you shills.
I'm afraid December will come and you parasites will hang around without ever admitting your crushing defeat
One thing is for sure, you won't succeed at forcing your useless small blocks on the market.
They haven't been forced on anyone. The fact is, there is currently consensus for 1MB blocks. There is not yet consensus in the wider community for BIP101. The fact that Coinbase is trying to force XT and BIP101 on everyone is grossly out of place.
This is where you are wrong and why all this mess is happening.
Do we really have to spell out the difference between consensus and unanimity to you?
November 07, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
How can Coinbase force someone to do anything is still to be explained lol
The same FUD all over again.
The same FUD all over again.
November 07, 2015, 03:55:44 PM
There is general consensus amongst nodes and miners. The fact that some companies are trying to force us to move over to BIP101 does not mean that there is general consensus, only that those and a few others are trying to force us to give consensus to it.
November 07, 2015, 03:55:20 PM
This is where you are wrong and why all this mess is happening.
Proof please?
November 07, 2015, 03:52:45 PM
Again, I fail to see the hostility behind people freely moving away. If there is hostility then it is coming from you.
Then why the constant posting by you (as a shill) about this?
If people freely wanted to move away then they wouldn't need you to push them would they?
I consider lengthily debate as a good thing but at some point it has to come to an end. Some businesses have put december as a deadline and all the people that want to move away are waiting for that deadline to move at the same time which is natural.
The situation is now this, some people considered the status quo as a consensus and firmly sit on it. while in fact, it is not. Now those on want to move are about to make a move because the other side is taking advantage of the status quo and are unwilling to give an inch, in a timely matter. Ignoring the "time" variable is where you people failed at reaching a consensus. There is still a month remaining though so the ball is in your camp.
We don't wanna play bals with you shills.
I'm afraid December will come and you parasites will hang around without ever admitting your crushing defeat
One thing is for sure, you won't succeed at forcing your useless small blocks on the market.
They haven't been forced on anyone. The fact is, there is currently consensus for 1MB blocks. There is not yet consensus in the wider community for BIP101. The fact that Coinbase is trying to force XT and BIP101 on everyone is grossly out of place.
This is where you are wrong and why all this mess is happening.
November 07, 2015, 03:52:06 PM
They haven't been forced on anyone. The fact is, there is currently consensus for 1MB blocks. There is not yet consensus in the wider community for BIP101. The fact that Coinbase is trying to force XT and BIP101 on everyone is grossly out of place.
Yes - everyone who has a brain "knows" this but the shills keep trying to push this as they hoping that somehow the ignorant masses might get behind them.
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