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full member
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I rave ... whats your excuse?!?
July 10, 2013, 01:25:16 AM
it seems the site is under new management, has anyone tested it?
Hello, I am the new owner of Coin Gator. We have had several new orders since my acquisition. If anyone has any questions, feel free to post in here or send me a message. All payments are processing within 4 hours (as long as its from 6:30AM-11:00PM EST). Im currently developing a system to automatically process payments so it does not have to be done manually.

Old Coin Gator couldn't process orders from Washington state...can you?
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July 09, 2013, 07:56:29 AM
it seems the site is under new management, has anyone tested it?
Hello, I am the new owner of Coin Gator. We have had several new orders since my acquisition. If anyone has any questions, feel free to post in here or send me a message. All payments are processing within 4 hours (as long as its from 6:30AM-11:00PM EST). Im currently developing a system to automatically process payments so it does not have to be done manually.
legendary
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July 08, 2013, 11:13:19 PM
it seems the site is under new management, has anyone tested it?
member
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July 01, 2013, 09:22:20 AM

There was a post on Reddit that came from a PP employee showing that they are told to ban/deactivate accounts that are allowing BTC -> fiat -> BTC trades without a proper transmitter license. I don't know where it is off the top of my head but someone else might.

Sorry to open a 2 week old thread but I actually got a phone call from PayPal about me selling .25 bitcoins and receiving money for it through them.  They said that their policy is against any currency exchange and they see bitcoins as a real currency.  I had to print off a statement and have it notarized and fax it back to them stating that I will never do it again.  And if I did they will deactivate my account.

This service did not sell bitcoins?

I'm not sure.  I was just commenting on what the others was saying about PayPal not allowing purchases and trades.
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July 01, 2013, 08:19:20 AM

There was a post on Reddit that came from a PP employee showing that they are told to ban/deactivate accounts that are allowing BTC -> fiat -> BTC trades without a proper transmitter license. I don't know where it is off the top of my head but someone else might.

Sorry to open a 2 week old thread but I actually got a phone call from PayPal about me selling .25 bitcoins and receiving money for it through them.  They said that their policy is against any currency exchange and they see bitcoins as a real currency.  I had to print off a statement and have it notarized and fax it back to them stating that I will never do it again.  And if I did they will deactivate my account.
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I rave ... whats your excuse?!?
June 17, 2013, 11:28:42 AM
There was a post on Reddit that came from a PP employee showing that they are told to ban/deactivate accounts that are allowing BTC -> fiat -> BTC trades without a proper transmitter license. I don't know where it is off the top of my head but someone else might.

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legendary
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June 17, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
#99
Depends what is the exact issue with paypal. But probably fine outside US.

The problem is that PayPal says if you trade BTC for fiat or fiat for BTC, you have to register as a money transmitter (which was estimated at $250k earlier in this thread).

I don't think it was PayPal that says you need to register as a money transmitter...its just the general law...that you need to register as a money transmitter...PayPal doesn't really care one way or the other. I thought the $250k was just for the fees to become a 'transmitter'...? But maybe I read it wrong earlier...?

There was a post on Reddit that came from a PP employee showing that they are told to ban/deactivate accounts that are allowing BTC -> fiat -> BTC trades without a proper transmitter license. I don't know where it is off the top of my head but someone else might.

Those "I got an email from.." posts cannot be verified an attempts to do so are ignored usually so take those with a grain of salt and don't assume they are legit.

Oh, it was a scanned document that was supposedly passed down to employees... could still be faked but never know.
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June 17, 2013, 11:25:42 AM
#98
Depends what is the exact issue with paypal. But probably fine outside US.

The problem is that PayPal says if you trade BTC for fiat or fiat for BTC, you have to register as a money transmitter (which was estimated at $250k earlier in this thread).

I don't think it was PayPal that says you need to register as a money transmitter...its just the general law...that you need to register as a money transmitter...PayPal doesn't really care one way or the other. I thought the $250k was just for the fees to become a 'transmitter'...? But maybe I read it wrong earlier...?

There was a post on Reddit that came from a PP employee showing that they are told to ban/deactivate accounts that are allowing BTC -> fiat -> BTC trades without a proper transmitter license. I don't know where it is off the top of my head but someone else might.

Those "I got an email from.." posts cannot be verified an attempts to do so are ignored usually so take those with a grain of salt and don't assume they are legit.
legendary
Activity: 1988
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June 17, 2013, 11:21:02 AM
#97
Depends what is the exact issue with paypal. But probably fine outside US.

The problem is that PayPal says if you trade BTC for fiat or fiat for BTC, you have to register as a money transmitter (which was estimated at $250k earlier in this thread).

I don't think it was PayPal that says you need to register as a money transmitter...its just the general law...that you need to register as a money transmitter...PayPal doesn't really care one way or the other. I thought the $250k was just for the fees to become a 'transmitter'...? But maybe I read it wrong earlier...?

There was a post on Reddit that came from a PP employee showing that they are told to ban/deactivate accounts that are allowing BTC -> fiat -> BTC trades without a proper transmitter license. I don't know where it is off the top of my head but someone else might.
full member
Activity: 237
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I rave ... whats your excuse?!?
June 17, 2013, 11:07:55 AM
#96
Depends what is the exact issue with paypal. But probably fine outside US.

The problem is that PayPal says if you trade BTC for fiat or fiat for BTC, you have to register as a money transmitter (which was estimated at $250k earlier in this thread).

I don't think it was PayPal that says you need to register as a money transmitter...its just the general law...that you need to register as a money transmitter...PayPal doesn't really care one way or the other. I thought the $250k was just for the fees to become a 'transmitter'...? But maybe I read it wrong earlier...?
legendary
Activity: 1988
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June 17, 2013, 08:28:44 AM
#95
Depends what is the exact issue with paypal. But probably fine outside US.

The problem is that PayPal says if you trade BTC for fiat or fiat for BTC, you have to register as a money transmitter (which was estimated at $250k earlier in this thread).
sr. member
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June 17, 2013, 06:48:16 AM
#94
Depends what is the exact issue with paypal. But probably fine outside US.
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1007
June 17, 2013, 05:04:38 AM
#93
Why did you close?

Issues with being able to run the business legally in the US (and therefore problems with Paypal). I'm wondering if people outside the US would have the same problems though...?
sr. member
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June 17, 2013, 04:19:19 AM
#92
Why did you close?
newbie
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June 15, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
#91
Here's a great deal! Price 15 BTC

The coingator.com domain, scripting, etc. will be included with the sale. A fully functional BTC > PayPal exchange.

http://www.coingator.com

What kind of traffic / money did you guys get while you were open?
legendary
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June 08, 2013, 11:27:11 AM
#90
It has been decided that the CoinGator project will be discontinued until further notice.
Did Paypal close your account already? Jesus christ that was fast.

No. This is unrelated to PayPal. It was determined that the cost of regulatory compliance would be cost prohibitive.

Oh well if that's all you're worried about, use a different country's paypal. That's not the least of the problems though.

This decision was based on costs exceeding $250,000 USD to operate legally in the United States.
legendary
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June 12, 2013, 02:52:40 AM
#90
crazylikeafox is 100% right. PayPal is not a bank in the US. In fact, they fight tooth and nail to NOT be regulated like a bank. They are not a gov't. entity either. Lying to them is totally legal as long as you are not getting the PP debit card involved (because that requires a SSN.) The topic of "stealth accounts" has been extensively studied before in other online communities.

As for what specific vcc's and vba's work, that varies all the time. What worked last year may not work now. Just gotta keep up with the developments.



I wasn't aware of this. It would help explain why they screw over so many people though.

With bounds of class action lawsuits against them, all settled out of court to avoid being shut down. (pro-tip: Don't settle or be a part of a class action suit because it skirts judgements and keeps you from suing them again when they do the same thing in the future)

I haven't seen anything about class actions against them, o.o.

And I don't think that being part of one (or accepting a settlement) allows them to re-commit the crime in the future. The same way you can't use someone's past as, say a scammer, in court against them to prove they are scamming again.


http://paypalsucks.com

I've been to that site before, long ago, but only read articles from others detailing their experience. Just saw the lawsuit page!

http://www.screw-paypal.com/paypal_lawsuits.html

Reading through that... they were somehow found "not guilty" of any of the things they were sued for. I don't see HOW.
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June 12, 2013, 02:41:30 AM
#89
crazylikeafox is 100% right. PayPal is not a bank in the US. In fact, they fight tooth and nail to NOT be regulated like a bank. They are not a gov't. entity either. Lying to them is totally legal as long as you are not getting the PP debit card involved (because that requires a SSN.) The topic of "stealth accounts" has been extensively studied before in other online communities.

As for what specific vcc's and vba's work, that varies all the time. What worked last year may not work now. Just gotta keep up with the developments.



I wasn't aware of this. It would help explain why they screw over so many people though.

With bounds of class action lawsuits against them, all settled out of court to avoid being shut down. (pro-tip: Don't settle or be a part of a class action suit because it skirts judgements and keeps you from suing them again when they do the same thing in the future)

I haven't seen anything about class actions against them, o.o.

And I don't think that being part of one (or accepting a settlement) allows them to re-commit the crime in the future. The same way you can't use someone's past as, say a scammer, in court against them to prove they are scamming again.


http://paypalsucks.com
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1007
June 12, 2013, 02:40:26 AM
#88
crazylikeafox is 100% right. PayPal is not a bank in the US. In fact, they fight tooth and nail to NOT be regulated like a bank. They are not a gov't. entity either. Lying to them is totally legal as long as you are not getting the PP debit card involved (because that requires a SSN.) The topic of "stealth accounts" has been extensively studied before in other online communities.

As for what specific vcc's and vba's work, that varies all the time. What worked last year may not work now. Just gotta keep up with the developments.



I wasn't aware of this. It would help explain why they screw over so many people though.

With bounds of class action lawsuits against them, all settled out of court to avoid being shut down. (pro-tip: Don't settle or be a part of a class action suit because it skirts judgements and keeps you from suing them again when they do the same thing in the future)

I haven't seen anything about class actions against them, o.o.

And I don't think that being part of one (or accepting a settlement) allows them to re-commit the crime in the future. The same way you can't use someone's past as, say a scammer, in court against them to prove they are scamming again.
legendary
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Twitter @realmicroguy
June 08, 2013, 11:11:58 AM
#88
It has been decided that the CoinGator project will be discontinued until further notice.
Did Paypal close your account already? Jesus christ that was fast.

No. This is unrelated to PayPal. It was determined that the cost of regulatory compliance would be cost prohibitive.
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