Topic: COINLENDERS - REMAINING DEPOSITORS - page 6. (Read 17702 times)

If you look a bit further into the numbers - JUST based on what has been returned so far. This hack is pretty much bought and paid for. Now we are dealing with CL losses which were smuggled under our noses in light of this hack, which also happened to be during the price rise.

TF only has to come clean about the true extent of the losses and fairly distribute them and he would have a lot fewer legal problems.

No more of this USD rubbish either. We bought BTC and deposited them each BTC is our share in the risk.

Not the date we happened to deposit them and the USD price for that day. This creative accounting is what led him to come up with NEGATIVE balance for some users which is quite ridiculous.
It might benefit a few, but it would be unfair to us all as a whole.

The money "saved" from CL haircuts alone in the past week would pay off more than 10% of remaining depositor balances.(4773.44956105)

I did not settle with TF. He sent a ~10% refund and then asked me to agree to settle. Oops.

Was saving myself repeated pasting/updating by waiting.

I just added the user balances.

I haven't added you yet since our exchange about your settlement/deposit

Will get around to it!

Where is the spreadsheet?

Same here, I have a friend at DATA too.
They are trying to find out who TF is.

Thank you for all your replies & PMs looks like we might have a team here.
If you're not added to an email thread yet, kindly pm gaston909.

For accuracy, my amount's 494.83919957 BTC in Coinlenders (2 accounts) & 77.5 BTC for 250 shares of BTCInvest.
This hasn't been added to DumbFruit or any threads. Wanted to give sufficient time to TF

1. @gaston909
2. @DumbFruit - tbc
3. @cobordism (reddit) - tbc
4. @thecoinjournal - tbc
5. @chaosfox - tbc
6. @Efflorescence
7. @TomJeff
8. @xorglub
9. @tehelsper
10. @shangata - tbc
11.

Related threads:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinlenders-debtors-creditors-why-not-pay-in-to-escrow-341492 (@posormo here raised an idea that creditors & especially debtors of Coinlenders should transfer what they owe to an escrow in the mean time)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=328053.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283756.900
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.new
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=248803.1240
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3569337

My current CL balance is 10.24722147

I have received a settlement offer and made slight modifications to it but have not received a reply yet.

You listed 15.15 on the old thread. Please can you confirm.

10.15BTC@Coinlenders
I sent TF several emails and ask for settlement option, but he didn't reply me.

To:
1. @gaston909 -
2. @DumbFruit -
3. @cobordism (reddit)
4. @thecoinjournal -
5. @chaosfox -
6. @Efflorescence

Please add my name to the list.  I'm a tech n00b, but I can write emails, or make a donation.
I can visit Washington.
I have PM'd a few of you with my email.  I would prefer to work on details via email.

still in with 2.08111701 BTC including interest (original investment was 2 BTC) at coinlenders.
I really don't want to agree to those offered, in my opinion inacceptable refund rates.
I appreciate any assistance or suggestions in getting at least some of my hard earned BTC back.
Thank you for putting this updated list together!

Maybe this is not a scam: just a big "just-dice" loss.

It's near an evidence that money deposited in CL was used to gamble, not to lending.

For the record, I've 494.83919957 BTC in Coinlenders and about 75 BTC in BTCInvest. They're pretty much all of my education fund there after I voluntarily dropped out of education system.
I have not settled.

In fact, I've talked to a friend at Digital Asset Transfer Authority (DATA).
http://info.datauthority.org/wordpress/founding-members/

What irks me most is that:
1. This $1 million loss may not even be genuine.
2. TF may have also been gambling after the hack: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3569337


So, it is an important precedent for accountability, for Bitcoin/crypto's sustainability, for those who've been harmed or who will be, and for the future.  
My friend from the network also sees this is an important case in point / important precedent to set.

But we will not achieve anything if we continue "running/clucking around like amateur headless chickens" (paraphrased from conversation).

There are resources, professionals, connections, authorities, and possibilities to pursue this that I can help to connect.

[The only thing holding me back is that I've to be on-the-go/at countries probably without internet of late; so practically, I can't oversee this.]

I know some of you are thinking of pursuing individual legal actions, but really, we could be more effective with a concerted group/class actions. There are also grounds for authorities to look into this. "Every contact leaves a trace."

I've not concluded that this is a crime yet. Of course, I'd like a full settlement. But a comprehensive & honest disclosure from TF will earn compassion.  

Moving forward:

A) Who is interested to pursue something collectively (regardless of whether you've settled or not)?
1. @gaston909 -
2. @DumbFruit -
3. @cobordism (reddit)
4. @thecoinjournal -
5. @chaosfox -

6. @Efflorescence - Yes

7. (Reply with your name below/there's so many people who've voiced concern - chat with them to ask if they'd like to join the force)

B) Crowdsourced Fact-Gathering
There are information laying around, for those that you've read of & anything else you could dug up, can you post some pertinent facts (timestamp, messages, IPs, BTCs, etc)

Here's a wiki I created where everyone could edit (but I'm not the best at it): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/TradeFortress_(Bitcoin)

C) Who can volunteer to pilot this precedent-setting collective community effort?

D) Community cause donation address
A tentative donation address for this cause: 12EuhPGiDkSSGeyPxdDaT4hJvTStYRicpY
I'll pass on any amount collected to the new community organizer.


I hope you see this cause to be as important as I do in setting a notable precedent to move bitcoins above shameful/shady businesses - towards what we see and envision in Bitcoin.


For our actions echo in 'eternity',
V

I've emailed TF several times too.
no reply.

I'm still in with my first BTCINVEST liquidation of 43.51560284 BTC.

I sent mass mail to him. No reply. Everyone can get an offer but me.

I am desperate.

Cant believe you we're offered more for a 1.5BTC balance than I was offered for my 5.06 BTC. Completely insulting and nonsensical.

Still in! No intention to settle:

Coinlenders balance (with interest): 29 btc

Coinlenders Balance
  amount (from screenshot) prior to 2013-11-10:
     7.53164008
  amount since 2013-11-10 (early CD terminations modified the total):
     7.34384702

I have not settled.  Coincidentally, I have also not received any "settlement offers."  The two may be related, I'll have to check.

Emailed him 3 times, perhaps 4, over the last several weeks.  Offered to take a haircut, offered to negotiate with him regarding percentages, offered to work with him in any reasonable way so long as he responded to me or otherwise indicated he wasn't intentionally ignoring me.  No replies, no counteroffers, no settlements, no happy.