Topic: CoinMarketCap.com - Market Cap Rankings of All Cryptocurrencies! - page 48. (Read 639542 times)

Over 90% of all people that own a computer use Windows, not the still relatively unpopular Linux. Please go and learn logic, then come back to me.

For the last time, that is not the case. There was a lot of trading going on and posts about mining by many known people in the community. There is zero chance that "just a few people" were mining all of the coins ever, even the first 50k coins, much less 1m-2m, and by day 29 when the second part of the fix for the crippled miner went in, only about 700k coins had been mined total. A vanishingly small fraction of those were mined by the original scammer, if any (by that time dga's group was active, for example)


No, if you want to assert that dash is a scam, then you provide evidence for dash being a scam (e.g. instamine), which has been done time and time again. When it comes to the question of the dash instamine scam, talking about Monero is irrelevant misdirection and obfuscation (and lashing out).

Please stop spamming your off-topic whining about the Monero mining code on the coinmarketcap thread unless you realistically think coinmarketcap is going to start identifying coins with alleged crippled miners. I think there is zero chance of that personally.

Look, if you don't have a clue about any of this, stop.

The poll done by Monero was not done by voting on an obscure(Which can be easily rigged as shown by Dash), it was done by that MEW membership procedure so that things like sockpuppet voting wouldn't happen. You would actually go and +1 or -1 while giving your reasons as to why, all of which I observed while staying relatively low in the cryposcene.

Your twisted logic is highly irrational. As was said a million times before, Monero did not have any of it's core parameters changed, unlike Dash, so in that respect they cannot be compared.

If those are the words you choose, then I will indeed shut up, smooth.

Best of luck to you.

Linux is free, freely available and relatively use to use.

If you claim this to be an issue, then for you its use is only prevented by evolutionary disadvantage.

Previously you have admitted to knowing exactly what the intent was but now you claim to be ignorant of it.  Why?  Let me leave this here to remind you.


Further more, how did you provide evidence of the dash premine?  Dash was never premined.  No coins were mined before the public launch.  How did you prove otherwise?  You are you playing word games.  At the very worst you can argue that it was instamined.  The two are not equal and you know it.  The fact you continue to play these charades further proves you have no honest intent.  You're only goal is to continue to bash dash in a feeble attempt to make mon-troll-ero look better.

I actually think it is best to use the current supply as a reference point. If the parameters are such that the total supply is created over a billion years then it is irrelevant. The only objective base for comparison is the current supply.

The rest of your post is not relevant to coinmarketcap, just your obsession with trying to drag Monero down to dash's level of instamine scam so take it elsewhere or just shut up already.

This cuts for Moneor as well.

There was a community vote to continue with the Monero project and not fork, fix, start again.
There was a community vote to not reduce the high initial emissions, that is why Monero now has 7m coins in 12 months, and DASH has 5m in 14months.

Using your inflammatory logic, there could have been just a few people mining all of Moneros first 1m-2m coins and the crippled code and high initial hash rate could be a handful of people and a mass of socketpuppets giving the impression of a regular community, with the odd person joining in to a 'popular' coin.

So if you wish to assert Darkcoin is a scam, you have to also own the scam launch code of Monero.

From what I gathered:

. Dash/Darkcoin's developer, Evan Duffield, released the coin to the small pool of linux only miners(Of which he himself was one)

. Instamined 2million coins in 2 days

. Change the Block reward from 500 to -100 after the instamine (Instantly making he coins he intamined much rarer & valuable)

. Do a "poll" on an obscure thread about whether to change the 80million max coin supply to 20million (avg)

. The "poll" nonsensically, magically votes in favor of reducing the coin supply by more than 3 fold, to the huge benefit of the early instaminers (Evan Duffield and co)

. Call it a day

So you base your sense of the truth on a 'community poll' done here on Bitcointalk? I hope you realize that creating accounts and having them vote in 2014 literally took seconds.

You're digging yourself into a hole, if a community poll is what you have as 'evidence', then assuming it was rigged is highly probable. After all, Evan Duffield had the 'audacity' to change the block reward from 500 to -100 after the instamine, why not have the audacity to fake the results of an obscure poll on an obscure thread to make sure his Dash coins stay valuable?

Furthermore, there is no reason for the community to have decided to change the max coin supply from roughly 80million to 20million after the instamine had occured. This further leads to the belief that such a poll was rigged or voted on by sockpuppet accounts controlled by the instaminers.

Don't dig yourself into a deep hole Coins101, you've already said enough false statements previously and this just leads to more investigations done on Dash/Darkcoin's fraudelent instamine.

I have no anger. I invested in Darkcoin from February / March 2014. I read up on it first. I have no quibbles over the initial error.

So lets try to be objective, rather than resorting to inflammatory words.

Darkcoin
* Do some numbers around Darkcoin having 84m maxcoins, which was the intent at launch.
* Tell us what the fast mine is as a percentage of 84m coins, the period until the fix was installed.
* You have already seen my links to the darkcoin community voting for a change of maxcoins, which was way past the initial launch. You can't use the change as your reference point, because if the community had voted for no change, then 84m supply would be the reference point.

Monero
* Tell us your estimate of the coins emitted between launch and when noodledoodle, or whoever, started to fix the crippled miner, or more specifically, when the fix was released to the public (my guess ~1m-1.4m)
* Tell us what your estimate is as a percentage of maxcoins, ~18m
* Give an assessment of how many might have gone into the hands of the few who knew or discovered the crippled mining code.

Lets try and estimate the period in which the two projects had their problem launches resolved. In my estimate, Darkcoin about 48hrs, Monero about 8 weeks.

I don't think a 48hr Darkcoin vs. Monero 48hrs from launch comparison is valid. Launch-to-fix for both coins is the more relevant timeline.

The false statements being said here by Dash/Darkcoin supporters speaks volumes.

Evan Duffield who is Dash's lead developer changed Dash's block reward from 500 to under 100, changed the max coin supply from 80million to 20million (avg), and did all this after 2million coins were instamined by himself and co on Linux only miners. All of Dash's core features were changed to heavily benefit the instaminers.

Monero at most had a unoptimized miner released by Thankful-for-today who was kicked out of the dev team and that has nothing to do with the current, 7 person, Monero dev team. None of Monero's core features were changed. Quite the polar oppposite to Dash don't ya think?

Again, the two coins cannot be compared. Dash had a illegal scam as Evan Duffield instamining all those coins as sole developer can be likened to the selling of securities(assuming he sold any Dash). If he hasn't sold any of his instamined Dash, then that's even worse as a end-of-everything dump could occur at any moment.

"Looking at this data, we see that Darkcoin was mined with 500 DRK generated per block from the get go. From block 1 to at least block 3250, according to their blockchain, they were still producing 500 coins each block. The transition from 500 to 277 coins per block occurs between 3250 and 3500 but this author did not see the necessity of getting the exact moment of halving. Simple math shows that 3250 blocks multiplied by 500 coins a block is 1,625,000 Darkcoins created between the times of 3:54 and 11:22 on January 19th, 2014. As of today there are around 4,300,000 DRK in existence, making this a pretty hefty instamine. The Darkcoin website expects around 22,000,000 DRK to be created. That means in less than 8 hours, almost 5% of the Darkcoins that ever will be created spawned in that 1/3 of a day. It's safe to say Darkcoin has left it's investors in the dark on this one."

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins

That's devtome.com, a site that records the beginnings of cryptocurrencies and their distribution, that's what they had to say about Dash/Darkcoin, here's what they said about Monero:

"There are no instantmines or premines in Monero. The smooth block subsidy scheme could be a little bit more tapered towards a slower distribution than it is, but ultimately this coin passes the smell test."

bump for Smooth.

I don't know the intent and neither do you so stop making shit up.

As far as I know the intent of the original code appeared to be to fake the bytecoin premine. Whether TFT had any intent to steal or (he or anyone else) did steal via the bitmonero launch I have no idea and, again, neither do you. He seemed to just be in a rush to clone and launch for whatever reason, maybe because someone hired him to do it on a deadline. Just a guess of course, but as good as any. We don't even know if he mined AT ALL.  We do know he didn't mine that much if he even did. So again stop making shit up.

This whole discussion started because the cmc admin asked for evidence of the dash premine, which I provided. Moreover you can clearly see 500k coins mined in an hour and 2m in 30 hours, followed by the supple being cut to 1/4. That is all documented, proven, and admitted. There is no evidence of anything with monero. You are simply lashing out at monero and me out of defensiveness and anger over the dash instamine being called out. It's obvious.

Thanks for this comparison. It's obvious DASH was fraudulently instamined. Frankly it's unbelievable and insulting that their dev still claims it was an accident.

The thing that interets me the most is just how is all that false statements Dash trolls are saying, relevant at all to Coinmarketcap?

Dash had a;

. 2million coin instamine in 2 days
. Restricted mining to linux only users
. Block reward manually changed by their developer Evan Duffield from 500 to under 100
. Max coin supply manually changed by their developer, Evan Duffield, from 80million to 20million.

All of the above and more resulted in Evan Duffield and co getting Dash handed to them like water and having the value of those Dash increase exponentially after he changed the block reward and coin supply to make the instamined Dash much rarer.

Monero had a;

. Unoptimized miner


....And that's it

Monero and Dash cannot be compared, as was said before a 1,000 times.

There needs to be a filter for instamined currencies like Dash.

During the course of whatever this was, Dash's 'supporters' (?) have consistently used false statements.


Crosspost

Trollero supporters still at it i see. All credibility went out the window.

GG Trollero

Do we really have to keep playing this boring game.

You keep admitting monero had scam code baked in with intent to steal. You should have looked at the code, you didn't. There were red flags about the history of the code, you decided to go with the flow. Your choice or not. You could have walked away, for example.

You had the chance to stop, fork, fix and relaunch, but you didn't. So you have to own the scam code in Monero at launch, and for god knows how long after.

Seriously, get over yourself.

Go dev, and stop maintaining this futile war of words.

You are the one who keeps going back and forth between total supply and current supply.

If you are going to use current supply then the Dash instamine is 35%, which is outrageous and larger than most premines that are supposedly important enough to to note on the site.

And as I said earlier there is no proof or even evidence of any kind that anyone benefited from that deliberate crippling, not even dga who made the post about it. If you read what he said by the time he started looking at it, the crippling was already being fixed by NoodleDoodle.

There is no relevance except that you don't like that the monero guys don't like, criticize and document the dash premine, so you come up with any contrived attack you can think of against monero, but it has nothing to do with dash being an instamine, instamined generally, the similarity between instamined and premines or how cmc should display them.

Btw, the guy who rushed ahead with the bitmonero launch was the one we kicked out. Everyone else around, probably including me (I don't remember) was asking him to slow down and do many things differently. He ignored us, which was why he was kicked out.