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Quote from: Bertyda on March 10, 2023, 07:01:54 AM

Quote from: Silberman on March 09, 2023, 08:42:12 PM

This is true, there are some casinos out there which when one of their gamblers obtains a big win they try to find even the smallest detail they can to try to refuse paying the money they owe, and one way to do this is by asking way more than what is needed for a standard identity verification, with the hope the gambler fails to provide the needed documents and then they save themselves a lot of money while still protecting their reputation, as they can later claim it was the gambler the one that failed to pass all their tests and they were justified on their refusal to pay them.

In such casinos, players simply will not play. All players play at the casino only in the hope of a big win, but if they know that they will not be able to withdraw their winnings anyway, they will not play at this casino. They will go to another casino.

If only things were that simple, what you are saying makes sense but unfortunately this is not the way things work, and we have a very obvious example with the 1xbit casino, this casino is widely regarded on this forum as one in which no gambler should ever play if they want to someday get some of their money back, but people ignore our warnings or are not aware of the existence of this forum and they keep gambling there despite their negative reputation.

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Quote from: alan228 on March 11, 2023, 05:51:43 AM

Despite the fact that the casino can easily find scammers, since it tracks all their actions, nevertheless, the amount of fraud in the casino does not stop, and scammers are looking for new ways to cheat.

There is a lot of money in the casino and many scammers want to get this money, so they regularly come up with new cheating schemes to bypass the casino and win money.

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Quote from: maydna on March 10, 2023, 07:56:16 AM

Quote from: Bertyda on March 09, 2023, 05:11:25 AM

Well, if some players cheat the casino or other players, the casino should punish such players and make sure that there is no cheating on the casino site. Most people come to the casino to play honestly, and not to deceive each other.

It's easy for the casino to find fraudsters who cheat the casino because the casino can easily check the accounts of all its members and carry out investigations. Even casinos can ask those who perpetrate the scam to do KYC to check the background of the fraudster. After carrying out such checks, the new casino punished the cheating player by blocking his account and not allowing them to return to their premises. And so far, many casinos have been able to prove that there are players who cheat in their casinos. But that doesn't stop the scammers from continuing to try other cheats.

Despite the fact that the casino can easily find scammers, since it tracks all their actions, nevertheless, the amount of fraud in the casino does not stop, and scammers are looking for new ways to cheat.

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Quote from: Bertyda on March 09, 2023, 05:11:25 AM

Well, if some players cheat the casino or other players, the casino should punish such players and make sure that there is no cheating on the casino site. Most people come to the casino to play honestly, and not to deceive each other.

It's easy for the casino to find fraudsters who cheat the casino because the casino can easily check the accounts of all its members and carry out investigations. Even casinos can ask those who perpetrate the scam to do KYC to check the background of the fraudster. After carrying out such checks, the new casino punished the cheating player by blocking his account and not allowing them to return to their premises. And so far, many casinos have been able to prove that there are players who cheat in their casinos. But that doesn't stop the scammers from continuing to try other cheats.

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Quote from: Bertyda on March 10, 2023, 07:01:54 AM

Quote from: Silberman on March 09, 2023, 08:42:12 PM

This is true, there are some casinos out there which when one of their gamblers obtains a big win they try to find even the smallest detail they can to try to refuse paying the money they owe, and one way to do this is by asking way more than what is needed for a standard identity verification, with the hope the gambler fails to provide the needed documents and then they save themselves a lot of money while still protecting their reputation, as they can later claim it was the gambler the one that failed to pass all their tests and they were justified on their refusal to pay them.

In such casinos, players simply will not play. All players play at the casino only in the hope of a big win, but if they know that they will not be able to withdraw their winnings anyway, they will not play at this casino. They will go to another casino.

This is also true, but then, the problem now is, how does the player know beforehand, the casino that wouldn't allow them withdraw their big winning?, this is where looking out for reviews become very important before deciding which casino to play on, but then also, good reviews is not a 100 percent guarantee that a casino would perform such a trick on a gambler, considering the fact that requesting customers to pass kyc verification is something casinos do on an individual level, they can easily decide who to carry out a kyc fraud on, and who not to, depending on how large a customer's winning is.

It takes a casino with much integrity to never do such to any of their customers, no matter how large the customer's winning is.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 09, 2023, 08:42:12 PM

This is true, there are some casinos out there which when one of their gamblers obtains a big win they try to find even the smallest detail they can to try to refuse paying the money they owe, and one way to do this is by asking way more than what is needed for a standard identity verification, with the hope the gambler fails to provide the needed documents and then they save themselves a lot of money while still protecting their reputation, as they can later claim it was the gambler the one that failed to pass all their tests and they were justified on their refusal to pay them.

In such casinos, players simply will not play. All players play at the casino only in the hope of a big win, but if they know that they will not be able to withdraw their winnings anyway, they will not play at this casino. They will go to another casino.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on March 09, 2023, 02:02:02 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on March 09, 2023, 01:43:36 AM

Let me ask this question for clarity's sake, when you say casinos should avoid fraud in the KYC process what do you mean?

-I think the issue of fraud during KYC is related to the player and not the casino itself, and if to talking of hacking that results in identity theft from the casino KYC data base, that can only be tackled by the casino having a strong security to ensure avoidance of hack.

I must beg to differ, fraud in KYC is related both to the player and the Casino, I have seen instances where casinos request KYC documents that is on tht extreme, that is documents they know the player may likely no have.
And they request for such documents in hopes that the player may not be able to provide it so that they(the casino) would a to them, a good reason to keep the players winning(s) to themselves, most especially, if the won amount is quite substantial.
And this kind of fraud is common with really small casinos, or casinos that are just starting up.

This is true, there are some casinos out there which when one of their gamblers obtains a big win they try to find even the smallest detail they can to try to refuse paying the money they owe, and one way to do this is by asking way more than what is needed for a standard identity verification, with the hope the gambler fails to provide the needed documents and then they save themselves a lot of money while still protecting their reputation, as they can later claim it was the gambler the one that failed to pass all their tests and they were justified on their refusal to pay them.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on March 09, 2023, 02:02:02 AM

I must beg to differ, fraud in KYC is related both to the player and the Casino, I have seen instances where casinos request KYC documents that is on tht extreme, that is documents they know the player may likely no have.
And they request for such documents in hopes that the player may not be able to provide it so that they(the casino) would a to them, a good reason to keep the player's winning(s) to themselves, most especially, if the won amount is quite substantial.
And this kind of fraud is common with really small casinos, or casinos that are just starting up.

I quiet agree with you on this, and I made the comment based on the rule of engagement of casino and players agreement and T&C where the KYC is mentioned and what document a player will be asked for are all outlined in the terms and conditions of the casino.

-And if a player differ in opinion and he is not ok with the KYC requirements then he/she can look the other way around, to find a suitable site that will not go extreme on kyc process, I know there are cases, where the casino wants them to become an outright scam was the purposely imposed impossible KYC procedure on players and those cases are popular among scam casinos but no legitimate casino will do anything of such.

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Quote from: Strongkored on March 09, 2023, 04:31:50 AM

Quote from: Plaguedeath on March 09, 2023, 02:15:14 AM

Quote from: Dragonbite on March 08, 2023, 03:54:18 AM

Almost all licensed casinos operate under the same rules. Therefore, users have no choice. Non-licensed casinos often cheat their users, so it is not recommended to use them.

Then what? if you're not comfortable to gamble on crypto casino either it's licensed or non licensed, then just don't play. You have a choice to play on fiat based casino where you need to link your bank account and submit your KYC on the site, if you think online fiat casino still will scam you. Then you need to play of land based casino. Do you think all land based casino is legit? how do you verify if the slot machine is legit?

He thinks the license is everything, even though talking about the scam must be examined in advance whether the player is really scammed or it happened because the player who violated the casino rules so that the player could no longer access his account. Even in this forum there is a non -licensed casino that remains trusted and has been running for long time and is still ongoing and many forum members continue to use it.

Well, if some players cheat the casino or other players, the casino should punish such players and make sure that there is no cheating on the casino site. Most people come to the casino to play honestly, and not to deceive each other.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on March 09, 2023, 02:15:14 AM

Quote from: Dragonbite on March 08, 2023, 03:54:18 AM

Almost all licensed casinos operate under the same rules. Therefore, users have no choice. Non-licensed casinos often cheat their users, so it is not recommended to use them.

Then what? if you're not comfortable to gamble on crypto casino either it's licensed or non licensed, then just don't play. You have a choice to play on fiat based casino where you need to link your bank account and submit your KYC on the site, if you think online fiat casino still will scam you. Then you need to play of land based casino. Do you think all land based casino is legit? how do you verify if the slot machine is legit?

He thinks the license is everything, even though talking about the scam must be examined in advance whether the player is really scammed or it happened because the player who violated the casino rules so that the player could no longer access his account. Even in this forum there is a non -licensed casino that remains trusted and has been running for long time and is still ongoing and many forum members continue to use it.

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Quote from: Dragonbite on March 08, 2023, 03:54:18 AM

Almost all licensed casinos operate under the same rules. Therefore, users have no choice. Non-licensed casinos often cheat their users, so it is not recommended to use them.

Then what? if you're not comfortable to gamble on crypto casino either it's licensed or non licensed, then just don't play. You have a choice to play on fiat based casino where you need to link your bank account and submit your KYC on the site, if you think online fiat casino still will scam you. Then you need to play of land based casino. Do you think all land based casino is legit? how do you verify if the slot machine is legit?

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Quote from: Wiwo on March 09, 2023, 01:43:36 AM

Quote from: Kaiba_Defi on March 07, 2023, 04:54:44 AM

Any casino needs customers, so casinos are interested in being as loyal to their customers as possible to keep them. The passage of KYC is regulated by law, while casinos must ensure that there is no fraud during the passage of KYC and all user data is stored in a safe place.

Let me ask this question for clarity's sake, when you say casinos should avoid fraud in the KYC process what do you mean?

-I think the issue of fraud during KYC is related to the player and not the casino itself, and if to talking of hacking that results in identity theft from the casino KYC data base, that can only be tackled by the casino having a strong security to ensure avoidance of hack.

I must beg to differ, fraud in KYC is related both to the player and the Casino, I have seen instances where casinos request KYC documents that is on tht extreme, that is documents they know the player may likely no have.
And they request for such documents in hopes that the player may not be able to provide it so that they(the casino) would a to them, a good reason to keep the players winning(s) to themselves, most especially, if the won amount is quite substantial.
And this kind of fraud is common with really small casinos, or casinos that are just starting up.

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Quote from: Kaiba_Defi on March 07, 2023, 04:54:44 AM

Any casino needs customers, so casinos are interested in being as loyal to their customers as possible to keep them. The passage of KYC is regulated by law, while casinos must ensure that there is no fraud during the passage of KYC and all user data is stored in a safe place.

Let me ask this question for clarity's sake, when you say casinos should avoid fraud in the KYC process what do you mean?

-I think the issue of fraud during KYC is related to the player and not the casino itself, and if to talking of hacking that results in identity theft from the casino KYC data base, that can only be tackled by the casino having a strong security to ensure avoidance of hack.

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Quote from: slapper on March 08, 2023, 02:33:50 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 07, 2023, 11:21:01 PM

Quote from: Kaiba_Defi on March 07, 2023, 04:54:44 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 07, 2023, 01:03:08 AM

But that's how it is because the government also supervises the licensed casinos so they have to follow the regulations from the government. If your winnings aren't as big as everyone else's or under $100, the casino will let you withdraw the winnings. So get ready to do KYC. The casino may ask you to do KYC if you get a big win.

But I think if the casino is reputable and we always use it, it means we already believe that the casino can provide security for the data we submit to them so we can do KYC safely. And if you really don't like those ways, maybe you can move on to another casino that doesn't ask you to do KYC. But everything will have a risk behind it so we should understand the risks and be able to choose what is good for us.

Any casino needs customers, so casinos are interested in being as loyal to their customers as possible in order to keep them. The passage of KYC is regulated by law, while casinos must ensure that there is no fraud during the passage of KYC and all user data is stored in a safe place.

That's why casinos sometimes ask for KYC randomly to know that their customers are not doing things prohibited in their casino. And yes, casinos need customers but they also have to follow the rules set by the regulators to apply those to their customers. And we are still lucky because not all customers are asked to do KYC and only customers who win a lot of money can be asked to do KYC. Actually it depends on how we play at the casino and as long as we can play gambling with the money we can afford and don't cross the line, we will be safe playing there.

It fascinates me how casinos manage to function within such a dense web of rules and guidelines imposed by authorities. Making a profit is important, but so is preventing customers from breaking the law. Casinos use a variety of measures, including random Know Your Customer checks, to guarantee they are following the rules. Furthermore, the fact that only the biggest winners are subject to Know Your Customer checks is evidence of the system's fairness because it limits the opportunity for abuse of privilege. Responsible gambling, within one's financial means, is the best guarantee of a good time at the casino.

And when casinos try to ensure that no one in their place of business violates the rules, it will provide evidence to the government or regulatory authorities that their casino is trying to comply with regulations. And gamblers must also realize that in playing gambling, they must really use it as entertainment and not break the rules. They will be safe playing gambling even though they will be asked to do KYC one day. But since they have not been proven to have committed anything wrong while playing gambling and have not done anything illegal, they will not be subject to any punishment from the casino. And the casinos will still allow them to use more money because the casinos already trust them.

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Quote from: slapper on March 08, 2023, 02:33:50 AM

It fascinates me how casinos manage to function within such a dense web of rules and guidelines imposed by authorities. Making a profit is important, but so is preventing customers from breaking the law. Casinos use a variety of measures, including random Know Your Customer checks, to guarantee they are following the rules. Furthermore, the fact that only the biggest winners are subject to Know Your Customer checks is evidence of the system's fairness because it limits the opportunity for abuse of privilege. Responsible gambling, within one's financial means, is the best guarantee of a good time at the casino.

Almost all licensed casinos operate under the same rules. Therefore, users have no choice. Non-licensed casinos often cheat their users, so it is not recommended to use them.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 07, 2023, 11:21:01 PM

Quote from: Kaiba_Defi on March 07, 2023, 04:54:44 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 07, 2023, 01:03:08 AM

But that's how it is because the government also supervises the licensed casinos so they have to follow the regulations from the government. If your winnings aren't as big as everyone else's or under $100, the casino will let you withdraw the winnings. So get ready to do KYC. The casino may ask you to do KYC if you get a big win.

But I think if the casino is reputable and we always use it, it means we already believe that the casino can provide security for the data we submit to them so we can do KYC safely. And if you really don't like those ways, maybe you can move on to another casino that doesn't ask you to do KYC. But everything will have a risk behind it so we should understand the risks and be able to choose what is good for us.

Any casino needs customers, so casinos are interested in being as loyal to their customers as possible in order to keep them. The passage of KYC is regulated by law, while casinos must ensure that there is no fraud during the passage of KYC and all user data is stored in a safe place.

That's why casinos sometimes ask for KYC randomly to know that their customers are not doing things prohibited in their casino. And yes, casinos need customers but they also have to follow the rules set by the regulators to apply those to their customers. And we are still lucky because not all customers are asked to do KYC and only customers who win a lot of money can be asked to do KYC. Actually it depends on how we play at the casino and as long as we can play gambling with the money we can afford and don't cross the line, we will be safe playing there.

It fascinates me how casinos manage to function within such a dense web of rules and guidelines imposed by authorities. Making a profit is important, but so is preventing customers from breaking the law. Casinos use a variety of measures, including random Know Your Customer checks, to guarantee they are following the rules. Furthermore, the fact that only the biggest winners are subject to Know Your Customer checks is evidence of the system's fairness because it limits the opportunity for abuse of privilege. Responsible gambling, within one's financial means, is the best guarantee of a good time at the casino.

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Quote from: Kaiba_Defi on March 07, 2023, 04:54:44 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 07, 2023, 01:03:08 AM

But that's how it is because the government also supervises the licensed casinos so they have to follow the regulations from the government. If your winnings aren't as big as everyone else's or under $100, the casino will let you withdraw the winnings. So get ready to do KYC. The casino may ask you to do KYC if you get a big win.

But I think if the casino is reputable and we always use it, it means we already believe that the casino can provide security for the data we submit to them so we can do KYC safely. And if you really don't like those ways, maybe you can move on to another casino that doesn't ask you to do KYC. But everything will have a risk behind it so we should understand the risks and be able to choose what is good for us.

Any casino needs customers, so casinos are interested in being as loyal to their customers as possible in order to keep them. The passage of KYC is regulated by law, while casinos must ensure that there is no fraud during the passage of KYC and all user data is stored in a safe place.

That's why casinos sometimes ask for KYC randomly to know that their customers are not doing things prohibited in their casino. And yes, casinos need customers but they also have to follow the rules set by the regulators to apply those to their customers. And we are still lucky because not all customers are asked to do KYC and only customers who win a lot of money can be asked to do KYC. Actually it depends on how we play at the casino and as long as we can play gambling with the money we can afford and don't cross the line, we will be safe playing there.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 07, 2023, 01:03:08 AM

But that's how it is because the government also supervises the licensed casinos so they have to follow the regulations from the government. If your winnings aren't as big as everyone else's or under $100, the casino will let you withdraw the winnings. So get ready to do KYC. The casino may ask you to do KYC if you get a big win.

But I think if the casino is reputable and we always use it, it means we already believe that the casino can provide security for the data we submit to them so we can do KYC safely. And if you really don't like those ways, maybe you can move on to another casino that doesn't ask you to do KYC. But everything will have a risk behind it so we should understand the risks and be able to choose what is good for us.

Any casino needs customers, so casinos are interested in being as loyal to their customers as possible in order to keep them. The passage of KYC is regulated by law, while casinos must ensure that there is no fraud during the passage of KYC and all user data is stored in a safe place.

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Quote from: Mr.right85 on March 06, 2023, 05:39:50 PM

Quote from: len01 on March 06, 2023, 01:35:28 PM

I'm sure if you bet at a licensed casino and have rules for KYC but right now you haven't been asked to fill out KYC, when you get a big win, you will immediately be asked to fill out KYC so you can withdraw all your big wins.

It always seems sketchy when your asked to go through KYC after a big win, I don't like the practices as well but, playing on the casino or sportsbook with hopes for big wins already means, you deal them some level of trust not just to leave up to the end of there bargain but, for them to be able to protect your identity as well.
Hence, it shouldn't be too difficult to oblige when required. You could see it for a final verification before withdrawal to ensure your wins aren't been hacked by an impostor.

But that's how it is because the government also supervises the licensed casinos so they have to follow the regulations from the government. If your winnings aren't as big as everyone else's or under $100, the casino will let you withdraw the winnings. So get ready to do KYC. The casino may ask you to do KYC if you get a big win.

But I think if the casino is reputable and we always use it, it means we already believe that the casino can provide security for the data we submit to them so we can do KYC safely. And if you really don't like those ways, maybe you can move on to another casino that doesn't ask you to do KYC. But everything will have a risk behind it so we should understand the risks and be able to choose what is good for us.

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