update would be nice.... at least an email to current investers...i mean customers
Topic: CoinTerra announces its first ASIC - Hash-Rate greater than 500 GH/s - page 97. (Read 231002 times)
October 12, 2013, 02:10:55 PM
October 07, 2013, 04:03:39 PM
On a more serious note, I'll agree that CoinTerra has more impressive marketing material than most of their peers, but is there any 'meat' anyone can link me to? Where are they at in terms of schedule? Are they still on track? Did they pass tape-out yet? When are their first wafers expected? What does their PCB look like? Are they using air or water cooling? Will they rely on a host controller (such as USB-connected PC) or will they be using their own integrated controller such as an rPi?
I'm late to this party, but the details coming out of the CoinTerra camp seem to be quite sparse. Details which should have been long ironed out and committed to. I'd like to know how far along they are and if their December target is still viable. Competitors like BitFury and BFL have been posting board layouts, actual PCB pictures, enclosure pics, etc. all along. I'd expect CoinTerra to have these available as well, but have they disclosed any of this yet?
Does anyone know anything beyond the little that can be gleemed from their website? Someone asked me if they are legit ... I wasn't sure how to answer that.
I'm late to this party, but the details coming out of the CoinTerra camp seem to be quite sparse. Details which should have been long ironed out and committed to. I'd like to know how far along they are and if their December target is still viable. Competitors like BitFury and BFL have been posting board layouts, actual PCB pictures, enclosure pics, etc. all along. I'd expect CoinTerra to have these available as well, but have they disclosed any of this yet?
Does anyone know anything beyond the little that can be gleemed from their website? Someone asked me if they are legit ... I wasn't sure how to answer that.
There is no 'meat' but plenty of slick Cointerra vapor.
There are so specs, only ballpark estimates, because the chip has yet to tape-out.
Ballpark estimates given before the physical design has been emulated and finalized are meaningless wishes, not specs.
Tape-out was supposed to happen the first week of October, but we've heard nothing about that since they announced this goal.
Maybe "first week of October tape-out" was construed as a spec, when it was actually a ballpark estimate.
October 07, 2013, 05:17:15 AM
CoinTerra is proud to announce the specs of our first ASIC chip – GoldStrike1 (aka GS1)
GS1 is a 28nm chip and will be one of the highest performance ASICs in the Bitcoin mining world with a hash rate greater than 0.5TH at a power consumption of significantly less than 1 watt/GH. More details later this month before we take preorders.
The GS1 chips are expected to arrive late Q4 2013.
Our website will be ready to take preorders later this month with a range of products involving one or multiple units of the GS1.
GS1 is a 28nm chip and will be one of the highest performance ASICs in the Bitcoin mining world with a hash rate greater than 0.5TH at a power consumption of significantly less than 1 watt/GH. More details later this month before we take preorders.
The GS1 chips are expected to arrive late Q4 2013.
Our website will be ready to take preorders later this month with a range of products involving one or multiple units of the GS1.
Just chips available?
September 29, 2013, 06:49:45 AM
Let me do a little bump please...
I think this could interest other people too, am I right?
If not so, I will contact them by PM or email.
@cointerra:
I premise that I am not really interested in buying at this price level and with probable negative ROI projection (from any vendor).
Anyway I would kindly know two things:
- Have you intention to use one or more distributors for the EU market?
- Will you also sell "naked" hardware to small customers?
For naked, I mean just all needed electronics without PSU, water cooling system and case.
Thank you.
I premise that I am not really interested in buying at this price level and with probable negative ROI projection (from any vendor).
Anyway I would kindly know two things:
- Have you intention to use one or more distributors for the EU market?
- Will you also sell "naked" hardware to small customers?
For naked, I mean just all needed electronics without PSU, water cooling system and case.
Thank you.
I think this could interest other people too, am I right?
If not so, I will contact them by PM or email.
September 26, 2013, 03:58:54 PM
Not sure about that, but I think that a distributor that already does it should be the best solution.
What I am looking at is a way to mitigate risks. Customs could keep your gears blocked for weeks.
Of course if distributors think to act as man in the middle and rise the price by 50%, as already happened (*), then I am sure I prefer to have some risks and order directly from the manufacturer.
Or don't order at all if the only way is from a distributor acting like that (*).
(*) CriptX/burnin anyone?
What I am looking at is a way to mitigate risks. Customs could keep your gears blocked for weeks.
Of course if distributors think to act as man in the middle and rise the price by 50%, as already happened (*), then I am sure I prefer to have some risks and order directly from the manufacturer.
Or don't order at all if the only way is from a distributor acting like that (*).
(*) CriptX/burnin anyone?
That makes sense.
Who are the most trusted/experienced distributors in our community?
Eleuthria (BTCguild) has sold many USBs in the US.
Who distributed AsicMiner's USBs in Europe?
yxt
September 26, 2013, 03:58:16 PM
Not sure about that, but I think that a distributor that already does it should be the best solution.
What I am looking at is a way to mitigate risks. Customs could keep your gears blocked for weeks.
Of course if distributors think to act as man in the middle and rise the price by 50%, as already happened (*), then I am sure I prefer to have some risks and order directly from the manufacturer.
Or don't order at all if the only way is from a distributor acting like that (*).
(*) CriptX/burnin anyone?
What I am looking at is a way to mitigate risks. Customs could keep your gears blocked for weeks.
Of course if distributors think to act as man in the middle and rise the price by 50%, as already happened (*), then I am sure I prefer to have some risks and order directly from the manufacturer.
Or don't order at all if the only way is from a distributor acting like that (*).
(*) CriptX/burnin anyone?
That makes sense.
Who are the most trusted/experienced distributors in our community?
Eleuthria (BTCguild) has sold many USBs in the US.
Who distributed AsicMiner's USBs in Europe?
September 26, 2013, 03:34:43 PM
I think the market has been severely distorted by pre-sales. Miners have been willing to pay more for gear because they have been paying for it in a time frame when it looked like a good investment - but by the time they actually get the gear, the ROI is nada. Miners will soon (out of necessity, if not common sense) come to realize that this preorder thing ain't working - and vendors will have to have gear in-hand to sell it. THEN, miners will be able to make realistic decisions about what prices make sense.
So you expect a company to pay for all the development. Create ASICs and wait for the customers to take them. I don't see that happening.
1.) It would require a huge investment and higher risk
2.) They would be silly not to keep the devices for themselves instead
Yes. Just like every other business in the world.
You might be right about it being silly for them not to keep the devices and mine with them themselves though. If that's what makes business sense, I think that's what they should do.
This nonsense of financing via preorders will end very soon though, as enough people get burned, and the difficulty curve goes even more vertical.
September 26, 2013, 03:20:59 PM
I think the market has been severely distorted by pre-sales. Miners have been willing to pay more for gear because they have been paying for it in a time frame when it looked like a good investment - but by the time they actually get the gear, the ROI is nada. Miners will soon (out of necessity, if not common sense) come to realize that this preorder thing ain't working - and vendors will have to have gear in-hand to sell it. THEN, miners will be able to make realistic decisions about what prices make sense.
So you expect a company to pay for all the development. Create ASICs and wait for the customers to take them. I don't see that happening.
1.) It would require a huge investment and higher risk
2.) They would be silly not to keep the devices for themselves instead
September 26, 2013, 03:08:19 PM
Not sure about that, but I think that a distributor that already does it should be the best solution.
What I am looking at is a way to mitigate risks. Customs could keep your gears blocked for weeks.
Of course if distributors think to act as man in the middle and rise the price by 50%, as already happened (*), then I am sure I prefer to have some risks and order directly from the manufacturer.
Or don't order at all if the only way is from a distributor acting like that (*).
(*) CriptX/burnin anyone?
What I am looking at is a way to mitigate risks. Customs could keep your gears blocked for weeks.
Of course if distributors think to act as man in the middle and rise the price by 50%, as already happened (*), then I am sure I prefer to have some risks and order directly from the manufacturer.
Or don't order at all if the only way is from a distributor acting like that (*).
(*) CriptX/burnin anyone?
September 26, 2013, 01:35:03 PM
@cointerra:
I premise that I am not really interested in buying at this price level and with probable negative ROI projection (from any vendor).
Anyway I would kindly know two things:
- Have you intention to use one or more distributors for the EU market?
- Will you also sell "naked" hardware to small customers?
For naked, I mean just all needed electronics without PSU, water cooling system and case.
Thank you.
I premise that I am not really interested in buying at this price level and with probable negative ROI projection (from any vendor).
Anyway I would kindly know two things:
- Have you intention to use one or more distributors for the EU market?
- Will you also sell "naked" hardware to small customers?
For naked, I mean just all needed electronics without PSU, water cooling system and case.
Thank you.
Who would you like to see become a distributor for the EU market?
Trusted individuals from this forum?
Regular electronic resellers?
Both?
September 26, 2013, 12:48:17 PM
@cointerra:
I premise that I am not really interested in buying at this price level and with probable negative ROI projection (from any vendor).
Anyway I would kindly know two things:
- Have you intention to use one or more distributors for the EU market?
- Will you also sell "naked" hardware to small customers?
For naked, I mean just all needed electronics without PSU, water cooling system and case.
Thank you.
I premise that I am not really interested in buying at this price level and with probable negative ROI projection (from any vendor).
Anyway I would kindly know two things:
- Have you intention to use one or more distributors for the EU market?
- Will you also sell "naked" hardware to small customers?
For naked, I mean just all needed electronics without PSU, water cooling system and case.
Thank you.
September 24, 2013, 04:19:46 PM
. I was concerned it would take years to get to reasonable prices,
Define reasonable price.
No matter what price point per TH you pick, if miners overbuy it wont be profitable.
Exactly. Thats why I waiting. These prices will be during next year, so no big deal of lost oppurtunity buying now the overpriced ones.
What will mater next year is the electricity cost
September 24, 2013, 03:38:01 PM
That part I get. What I'm asking about is whether the number of hashing cores adds any level of complexity to the design process or if it scales easily or something in between.
It scales perfectly. Pretty much a copy/paste job. I dont think anyone seriously doubt cointerra can design a working hashing core RTL with that all star team.
The only potential pitfalls are timing, manufacturing, system engineering (including cooling) and supply chain.
September 24, 2013, 03:25:04 PM
Heat density will likely be their largest obstacle going forward. We'll have to wait and see what they come up with.
http://cointerra.com/cointerra-demonstrates-working-fpga-releases-additional-chip-details/
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CoinTerra® also released that the system would be cooled by custom equipment created by CoolIT Systems of Canada that can handle up to 400 watts per chip. The cooling system is built for chips hashing as high as 700 GH/s. The system also uses multiple high speed 12 cm fans in a 4U case.
http://cointerra.com/cointerra-demonstrates-working-fpga-releases-additional-chip-details/
September 24, 2013, 03:20:26 PM
They used the fpga to simulate 2 hashing cores. The actual asic will have 360 of those (im guessing three dies on a chip, each die with 120 cores), but obviously you cant cram as many cores on an FPGA as on an asic, otherwise we wouldnt need asics. Its just to demonstrate the RTL and software works.
That part I get. What I'm asking about is whether the number of hashing cores adds any level of complexity to the design process or if it scales easily or something in between.
September 24, 2013, 02:02:19 PM
They used the fpga to simulate 2 hashing cores. The actual asic will have 360 of those (im guessing three dies on a chip, each die with 120 cores), but obviously you cant cram as many cores on an FPGA as on an asic, otherwise we wouldnt need asics. Its just to demonstrate the RTL and software works.
September 24, 2013, 01:51:25 PM
http://cointerra.com/cointerra-demonstrates-working-fpga-releases-additional-chip-details/
Each water cooled chip hashes at a rate between 504Gh and 700GH dependent on binning.
Will
Each water cooled chip hashes at a rate between 504Gh and 700GH dependent on binning.
Will
Can someone in the know explain the level of complexity of going from 2 FPGA to 10 FPGA for example? When KnC did their Mars FPGA demo, they used so many more chips; on it's face the fact that Cointerra only used two seems like a questionable move, but if this type of thing scales easily then I suppose it really doesn't matter.
September 24, 2013, 09:59:27 AM
http://cointerra.com/cointerra-demonstrates-working-fpga-releases-additional-chip-details/
Each water cooled chip hashes at a rate between 504Gh and 700GH dependent on binning.
Will
Each water cooled chip hashes at a rate between 504Gh and 700GH dependent on binning.
Will
September 20, 2013, 07:42:54 PM
. I was concerned it would take years to get to reasonable prices,
Define reasonable price.
No matter what price point per TH you pick, if miners overbuy it wont be profitable.
September 20, 2013, 03:21:52 PM
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