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None of these ideas are new to me. Even if I don't respond to suggestions, I do read them, and they float around in my mind going forward. If it's not already done, then there's some reason why. A big possible reason is that I'm the only person who does development on the current code, and my time is limited. Another big reason is that this is a huge forum with complex dynamics, and even small policy changes can have big effects which need to be thought through very carefully.

An example: a bump button sounds good as a fix for certain very visible problems, but it also codifies a broken system. People would use bots to bump all of their threads constantly, giving "industrial" posters a huge advantage over casual posters. A captcha could maybe help a little, but there are services where you can pay a tiny fee to have captchas solved for you. (Which opens another question: maybe a comparatively tiny fee should be allowed as an alternative to having you solve a captcha.) A better solution would be to replace the concept of traditional bumping with something quite different, with different bumping models for different types of sections. But that requires further thought. If implementing a bump button was free, perhaps it'd be worthwhile to at least do it for now and fix a few minor problems with bumping today. But since it's a clearly-imperfect solution, this isn't even on my miles-long to-do list.

I'm not going to respond here in detail to all of these ideas. It'd be extremely long. I will classify them as OK/maybe/no:

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• A newbie welcome message or link to a welcome thread upon sign-up explaining the basic rules and links to everything they need to know including the full forum rules, helpful guides and FAQs etc. No excuses for not knowing the rules then.
• Dedicated sub board mods for most boards that don't have any mods or non-global mods already assigned (Bitcoin Discussion, Beginners & Help, Off Topic etc).
• More patrollers/mods who just handle sig spam or farmers.
• Restoring the memberlist search and stats (very useful for finding huge farming abuses).
• Enforce the sig campaign guidelines. If a campaign is spotted that is doing little to nothing and is abused en mass by spammers, farmers, bots and copy and pasters they are warned. If nothing changes then they are punished with such things as bans, threads trashed, signatures blacklisted site-wide etc.
• A 'bump button' for the marketplace that only allows you to bump your thread once every 24 hours. Manually bumping by posting will then be disallowed. As mentioned above, posts by lower ranked accounts could not be able to bump threads thus curbing potential abuse.
• A report queue for reported messages. Currently every global and admin are spammed by any reported message and half of the time when you go to handle it it has already been handled, thus wasting everybody's time.
• More admins or demi-admins added to help with account recoveries and other admin duties.
• A captcha added to a user's first post or two/three etc to curb bot usage (purchasing a Copper Membership could remove these).
• Require email verification for new accounts.
• Require email verification first before passwords/emails are changed.
• A Beginners and Help board for the Alt Coin section (the bitcoin one is mostly swamped with alt coin and bounty-related issues).
• Add badges as a reward for high reporters and/or merited users (some perks would also be nice). Maybe we could have a 'most merited' user of the month badge. Prizes or awards could be given at the end of the month/year for the biggest rats/grasses/ass-kissers merited users or reporters.
• More options for self-moderated threads (being able to limit participation to certain ranks ie no Newbies or Juniors etc or banning certain users from being able to post in your thread at all to stop trolls and personal attacks etc).
• Signature bans. Bans that remove the signature for x amount of time or even permanently (actually proposed by theymos but never followed up on). Being able to blacklist an entire campaign's signature would also be helpful for those campaigns that refuse to do anything about spam.
• Certain sub boards shouldn't count to post count or activity (Bounties, Games & Rounds and possibly Off Topic).
• Awarding merit doesn't take you to a new page. Clicking the merit button multiple times could pump up the merit one by one. This would make awarding merit much swifter and less annoying.

OK in principle, would require thought/adjustment/implementation. Many of these things are more complex than they look at first glance.

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• Charging ICOs a fee to make their ANN here. You could even get rid of the ANN board completely and give them their own sub once they've paid the fee. If there's no Ann board then there will probably be no paid bumping because it will be useless, but let them spam away in their own slum and squalor.
• A dedicated Marketplace for the Alt Coin board that would be used for currency sales/exchanges and advertising/requesting services etc (the current one has no description and is being used as catch all for anything and everyting and not what it was intended for).
• Requiring manually whitelisting of all new accounts before they can post. All new users will essentially be shadowbanned until they've been verified by a mod. This will eliminate 99% of bots and spammers before they even start. Spam threads can be trashed on sight before they even become spam megathreads.
• Press board locked/archived as it's served its purpose
• Some local boards have Press and Off topic subs. They should be removed as they're hotbeds for account farmers/spammers and are not necessary here.
• Warnings in red displayed to lower ranked users when they go to post alerting them to the most commonly ignored/broken rules.
• A sub board for highly merited users to encourage constructive topics only by users who have proven their worth here over time (or make the Ivory Tower merit requirement much higher [OMG ITS LIKE SOVIET RUSSIA GULAG]).

Maybe.

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• A publicly displayed 'banned' rank under a person's username for permabanned accounts (people are wasting both theirs and staffs time reporting already banned users and bots).
• Implementing a redirect notice/landing page for when users click an external link urging them to double check the url for phishing and possibly warning them of the dangers of buying things from autobuy links and that they should likely use a trusted escrow etc).
• Require at least one merit to become a Junior Member (bots will never rise past Newbie status then and can be nuked once spotted).
• More donator ranks such as Silver and Gold Member that come with additional perks such as avatars and Full/Hero member-sized signatures etc (which will severely curb account farming and sales). You could also even have an expensive premium 'Platinum' rank (bling bling) that comes with further benefits (for example: image banner in signature, animated gif avatar, custom title, ability to change username etc).
• Remove signatures completely from everyone (or everyone only has a basic signature) and to get one you either need a very high amount of activity & merit or:
B) Buy them via new donator ranks (theymos did initially comment: "This may be a good idea. Though I do think that people who don't pay should be able to get a small signature." [though Newbie signatures have been removed completely since this comment was made]).
• Posts from lower ranked accounts don't bump ICO threads to the top (which would then render paid bump spam useless).
• Two report buttons/queues: one for sig spam and low quality posts and one everything else that is more urgent (hundreds of reports on spam posts are currently burying more important reports).
• A new member rank after Legendary as it is becoming far too common now and will only become more so as time passes. I would suggest fixing Legendary at 960 activity and the new rank is double that at 1920. You could also make the merit requirement very high for this rank so it's only for the crème de la crème of users [OMG NAZI RANK ITS LIKE THE RICH KEEP GETTING RICHER].
• Additional perks for Legendary accounts or a higher rank if added (for example: custom title, image banner in signature, clickable link in personal text, access to exclusive sub board etc).
• A captcha added to deleting a post.
• Disallowing lower ranks from posting in Off Topic (this is bitcoin forum, why would they head to that board straight away other than to easily farm their accounts (alternatively, posts not counting towards postcount or activity there would also work).
• If a post is removed then so is any merit awarded (I think some users are deleting posts to hide evidence of abuse).
• More advertisement slots. This forum is badly under-monetised in my opinion and we likely lose hundreds of thousands in lost revenue to signatures and lack of ad slots and visibility.

No. Or not yet. Or the idea would need to be significantly modified.
legendary
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Change is in your hands
Not critical but it would be nice if the Report to moderator page, came up in a separate tab. The same way the Merit page does.
Use your middle mouse button to open a tab in the background. I wish Merit would work the same as "Report", with Report I can choose to open it in the same tab if I want to.

Easy there mate! Did you just assume that everyone uses a mouse which has a middle button? Not everyone can afford a mouse like that.
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Not critical but it would be nice if the Report to moderator page, came up in a separate tab. The same way the Merit page does.
Use your middle mouse button to open a tab in the background. I wish Merit would work the same as "Report", with Report I can choose to open it in the same tab if I want to.
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Is it possible to capture the user who is trying to access your account (when there is a failed log-in attempt) by using the front camera of the device if possible? and the image captured will be sent directly to your email address that is associated in in your account. Some security app supports this feature and I don't know if SMF or any website supports this feature but this would be somehow a cool one. But will be useless if the device's camera is covered.

As far as I know only applications are capable of this kind of feature so it can be added as security feature once there is a official app for Bitcointalk  Grin but still a bad idea since application softwares are reversedengineer-able or can be modified to use for phishing.

NSA DETECTED! What is this, 1984? This is ridiculous.

But just in case, I have some tape on it as a physical confirmation that it's not doing this.

Same. Clearly he hasn't seen Citizenfour.

I think spying on users fits in the same category as KYC on Bitcointalk:
I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over.

Sadly, I think hell will be more likely to freeze over before anything gets implemented here.

I don't think I saw this.

Not critical but it would be nice if the Report to moderator page, came up in a separate tab. The same way the Merit page does.

It's a small annoyance when I go to report someone in the middle of reading a topic then I have to go looking for them. It's small and easily doable if I'm not mistaken Theymos made the change rather quickly when VOD suggested it for Merit.

I think more people would find this annoying than helpful. I dislike how we have to go to a separate page to give merit, but merit should just be pumped up somehow without having to go to a separate page at all. And as TheQuin said you can just open it in a new page anyway.
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Not critical but it would be nice if the Report to moderator page, came up in a separate tab. The same way the Merit page does.

Middle click or right click and Open link in new tab.
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I don't think I saw this.

Not critical but it would be nice if the Report to moderator page, came up in a separate tab. The same way the Merit page does.

It's a small annoyance when I go to report someone in the middle of reading a topic then I have to go looking for them. It's small and easily doable if I'm not mistaken Theymos made the change rather quickly when VOD suggested it for Merit.
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Is only an idea!

Maybe it is possible to implement 2FA Authentication via Google or even a 2FA Authentication Device for users who want to protect their account as well as possible!
Many exchanges have this and other platforms too!
I know that this is probably expensive but think that it is the safest solution or would be for accounts to protect them from hackers!

It has been discussed many times. It is planned to be implemented in the new forum software, but when this is going to happen nobody knows. I think even theymos is not sure about it.
legendary
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Is only an idea!

Maybe it is possible to implement 2FA Authentication via Google or even a 2FA Authentication Device for users who want to protect their account as well as possible!
Many exchanges have this and other platforms too!
I know that this is probably expensive but think that it is the safest solution or would be for accounts to protect them from hackers!
legendary
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Is it possible to capture the user who is trying to access your account (when there is a failed log-in attempt) by using the front camera of the device if possible? and the image captured will be sent directly to your email address that is associated in in your account.
I can only hope most users are smart enough not to give their browser access to the webcam without asking for permission. But just in case, I have some tape on it as a physical confirmation that it's not doing this.

I think spying on users fits in the same category as KYC on Bitcointalk:
I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over.
legendary
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Guess the most problem why Accounts get hacked is that they use their email everywhere and not only for Bitcointalk!
What I prefer to use only the email for BCT ,  2Fa Auth. would be a good reason too for secure Accounts!   
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also I think your recommendation is only useful if you know the identity of that person, capturing an unknown face is useless.
Yeah you're right, it made me think about that too. But I would be so willing to see how my account's hacker looks like.  Tongue
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my main point about this one is to have some kind of early prevention in order to change your password or even your email (if necessary)
Sounds really good to me.
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I like the idea as well, when it comes to security, it is something that we should prioritised. But, can I ask something? Is it possible to capture the user who is trying to access your account (when there is a failed log-in attempt) by using the front camera of the device if possible? and the image captured will be sent directly to your email address that is associated in in your account. Some security app supports this feature and I don't know if SMF or any website supports this feature but this would be somehow a cool one. But will be useless if the device's camera is covered.

As far as I know only applications are capable of this kind of feature so it can be added as security feature once there is a official app for Bitcointalk  Grin but still a bad idea since application softwares are reversedengineer-able or can be modified to use for phishing.
I don't know if websites have a proper access with your phone's camera or computer's webcam without a software installed that has the capability of doing so unlike apps which already have a program to do that but even them needs to have your device's permission first before they can even access your camera. As for the feature I suggested, my main point about this one is to have some kind of early prevention in order to change your password or even your email (if necessary) and not for the purposes of capturing someone doing the attempt, also I think your recommendation is only useful if you know the identity of that person, capturing an unknown face is useless.
legendary
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It would be spammed by everyone who desperately needed merits. I don't think this is a good idea. Better to have community lead projects where people can post quotes or links to their posts and others can decide if they're deserving of merits.

Yup! I will create one soon...  Tho it will require some moderating tho. I will choose a few people from different sections to be the part of the team, They can report in every week with the posts they think should be merited by the merit sources.

As for your challenge. Follow the "0" or the "default merit value" and you will find your targets Tongue

To be precise here is the list of farmers/Shitposters/Bots.

@Slayer21 @NarutoTan180 @Shawn20 @heppot [shitpost] @AmandaCherry00 @warrior.coins22 @AshleySalama23 @Pemburu dollar @ThomasThorGG1 @AliceSusana88

@travelgear17 @necromastery @xysheeh03 @Burogh @taslimaborsha @daringkhan30 @rudox @honglien @mimiko @Raja_Salman @Corvin17 @Seundavid @veivivon

@clonely @samsul1234 @Fmradio98 @Airbuxf @rnssol @Suketlapangan @iram3130 @nagasaking @Plumbank @BumblingBee @Sircoss @kangbasir @BraveHeadlight

@tanzaholzmann

I need my 7 merits now. Tongue
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What I propose is to start a program like "SpamBusters" instead of reporting users who are spamming. Users could be assigned to different boards and they would report in the posts which are under-merited or haven't received merit at all. This should ease out the process of meriting users for the merit sources IMO.
Its a good idea. Especially, because this could give theymos some indication on good merit sources. Currently, they have to make an application for a merit source. Which some users might not be willing to do publicly, because of the issue with users begging merit sources for merits. I think it would be a good idea, but I don't know too many merit sources which would be willing to crawl through a queue of messages which have been reported for being of high standard.

I wouldn't mind it. A handful of merit sources is all it takes I think, at least initially.

I have a feeling though that the queue would be empty most of the time, or spammed by the usual shitposters trying to report their own posts. Every time the subject of undermerited posts is brought up and I ask for examples I get crickets. For the most part people seem to either think too highly of their own posts or are too lazy/selfish to promote others.

It would be spammed by everyone who desperately needed merits. I don't think this is a good idea. Better to have community lead projects where people can post quotes or links to their posts and others can decide if they're deserving of merits.

Hello, fellas.
I`ve read the whole thread, and I can`t see anything related to local boards. Well, I do understand that maybe this is the English mean board, but locals are part of this forum too, and there are a couple of problems there.

I can only speak for my own local -Spanish and the problems I`ve seen in there, problems that also reflect on the forum:
- Locals have not enough pinned post. What does that mean? Well, many people come in here and this is just impossible for them to understand the rules and policies, given the lack of information in their local languages. Of course, they can try harder before beginning to spam or plagiarize, but, maybe, by implementing well-explained pinned post in every local we can help the forum. So my suggestion is to designate people to translate every new information of importance to their locals.
- Besides, there is also a problem with merits in local boards -again I can only speak about my own. The people don`t seem to understand the system, and there is a common misunderstanding: they think they will only be able to rank up in the English boards, so they use google translation or engage in the English main in a poor English. So maybe this is time to have more merit sources dedicated to their locals.

So those are my suggestions. I think we need to care about locals a bit more, so the people can get the information and avoid to rush in here with the wrong mindset...

There's nothing stopping you from creating these sorts of FAQ or info threads. If they're helpful then they can easily be stickied.

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Nobody wants this merit bounty?

Bitcoin discussion has become largely unusable. It's just full of farmers churning out their generic one liners. Go in any thread and play spot the farmer.

How many can you find on this page here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4820477.1140

Three merit for anyone if you can catch them all.

Can you spot them on this page and the one after?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4868904.80

4 merit for swatting the 4 bots there.

Remove signatures from Junior so these scumbags aren't going to get paid by some crapcoin ICO as soon as they've made 30 posts. Let's see how long it takes them to get ten merit to become a Member. Probably never. If you earn ten merits then you've earned your right to have a signature.

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Hello, fellas.
I`ve read the whole thread, and I can`t see anything related to local boards. Well, I do understand that maybe this is the English mean board, but locals are part of this forum too, and there are a couple of problems there.

I can only speak for my own local -Spanish and the problems I`ve seen in there, problems that also reflect on the forum:
- Locals have not enough pinned post. What does that mean? Well, many people come in here and this is just impossible for them to understand the rules and policies, given the lack of information in their local languages. Of course, they can try harder before beginning to spam or plagiarize, but, maybe, by implementing well-explained pinned post in every local we can help the forum. So my suggestion is to designate people to translate every new information of importance to their locals.
- Besides, there is also a problem with merits in local boards -again I can only speak about my own. The people don`t seem to understand the system, and there is a common misunderstanding: they think they will only be able to rank up in the English boards, so they use google translation or engage in the English main in a poor English. So maybe this is time to have more merit sources dedicated to their locals.

So those are my suggestions. I think we need to care about locals a bit more, so the people can get the information and avoid to rush in here with the wrong mindset...
legendary
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I wouldn't mind it. A handful of merit sources is all it takes I think, at least initially.

I have a feeling though that for all the complaining about undermerited posts etc, the queue would be empty most of the time, or spammed by the usual shitposters trying to report their own posts. Every time the subject is brought up and I ask for examples I get crickets.

Nope, you got it all wrong. There won't be users reporting their own posts because only a few selected members will be able to report in that thread.  As for queue being empty, I kinda agree but it will defeat the purpose of this team if the thread remains empty most of the time.
legendary
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What I propose is to start a program like "SpamBusters" instead of reporting users who are spamming. Users could be assigned to different boards and they would report in the posts which are under-merited or haven't received merit at all. This should ease out the process of meriting users for the merit sources IMO.
Its a good idea. Especially, because this could give theymos some indication on good merit sources. Currently, they have to make an application for a merit source. Which some users might not be willing to do publicly, because of the issue with users begging merit sources for merits. I think it would be a good idea, but I don't know too many merit sources which would be willing to crawl through a queue of messages which have been reported for being of high standard.

I wouldn't mind it. A handful of merit sources is all it takes I think, at least initially.

I have a feeling though that the queue would be empty most of the time, or spammed by the usual shitposters trying to report their own posts. Every time the subject of undermerited posts is brought up and I ask for examples I get crickets. For the most part people seem to either think too highly of their own posts or are too lazy/selfish to promote others.
legendary
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We are not paid as sources, and it is a time consuming voluntary activity.

So its all about the money eh? So if you guys were getting paid to do this you would have taken more interest? is that what you are trying to say here?


No! Because if I were to be paid, then I would have to take on a responsibility, and I don't want to do that.
legendary
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There are a couple of points in your comment. I don't think that many of the merit sources applied for the job. I think they were appointed by Theymos as a result of their history in awarding merits or their potential. This was so in my case. I received a quantity of sMerit as a hero when the system was introduced, and I was awarded a few hundred additional merits as a result of my posting. I gave these out in ones and twos, and I tried to award them for quality posts. As a result of this, I was recruited as a source during the secondary allocation.

Gotcha!

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We are not paid as sources, and it is a time consuming voluntary activity.

So its all about the money eh? So if you guys were getting paid to do this you would have taken more interest? is that what you are trying to say here?

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In fact it can be quite depressing as a pastime, I've tried quite a few things to help junior members, and to improve posting quality, many of them have been ignored, and the others  gain sporadic support.

Agreed! These members aren't worth saving and the energies of merit sources shouldn't be spent on them. That's why I suggested creating a team of members who would report in "High standard posts" for merit sources to go through and reward them if they deserve any. This team can be made by the consensus of the community and I am sure many people would volunteer for this. This will distribute the workload and won't be a "time consuming voluntary activity" anymore.
legendary
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Don't merit sources have a duty towards the community? Why become a source then if you are not willing to do your assigned job? I don't see the staff/moderators complaining about the number of shitposts they have to delete or the number of bot accounts they have to nuke! If you can't even go through the trouble of meriting already sorted "High standard posts" Then I believe you don't deserve to be a merit source in any shape or form!

There are a couple of points in your comment. I don't think that many of the merit sources applied for the job. I think they were appointed by Theymos as a result of their history in awarding merits or their potential. This was so in my case. I received a quantity of sMerit as a hero when the system was introduced, and I was awarded a few hundred additional merits as a result of my posting. I gave these out in ones and twos, and I tried to award them for quality posts. As a result of this, I was recruited as a source during the secondary allocation.

We don't have a duty towards the community, but we do have an interest in preserving its integrity, and in encouraging quality discussions and information exchanges. We are not paid as sources, and it is a time consuming voluntary activity. We are not helped by the vast majority of members, and it is pretty obvious why they don't receive any merits from their posting activities. In fact it can be quite depressing as a pastime, I've tried quite a few things to help junior members, and to improve posting quality, many of them have been ignored, and the others  gain sporadic support. I've backed off to a large extent, and I live in the hope that some major changes will be introduced in the not too  distant future.
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