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legendary
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February 20, 2016, 04:01:57 AM
#52
It seems that this project is suffering by comparison to WASP.  It also is apparent that people think we are time crunched.  Sidehack and I have been discussing this project for about 4 months and only now have the stars lined up for us to start moving forward.

This is NOT WASP - We are not asking for 1 penny. There is ZERO financial risk to any community member.  Sidehack has a great track record and will not release anything that is done half ass nor would any other person involved in the project.

As far as I know I am bank rolling this project with the intention of it being open source and making miners available to the community.  There are no deadlines, there is no roadmap and there is no business plan.  The objective is simple:

Produce a miner that is affordable and efficient to allow home miners to continue to mine bitcoins. 

I have spoke with a lot of people about ASICS for the project and have received promising responses. A lot of that info I am unable to discuss presently but Will as soon as I am able to do so.

I appreciate all the responses on this thread and I am excited about the project.
THUMBS UP.  This going to be freaking awesome. No price indications yet so we can start to save up some money?
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
February 20, 2016, 03:47:27 AM
#51
And again what is WASP ?
link anybody ?
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1001
aka "whocares"
February 20, 2016, 01:31:05 AM
#50
It seems that this project is suffering by comparison to WASP.  It also is apparent that people think we are time crunched.  Sidehack and I have been discussing this project for about 4 months and only now have the stars lined up for us to start moving forward.

This is NOT WASP - We are not asking for 1 penny. There is ZERO financial risk to any community member.  Sidehack has a great track record and will not release anything that is done half ass nor would any other person involved in the project.

As far as I know I am bank rolling this project with the intention of it being open source and making miners available to the community.  There are no deadlines, there is no roadmap and there is no business plan.  The objective is simple:

Produce a miner that is affordable and efficient to allow home miners to continue to mine bitcoins. 

I have spoke with a lot of people about ASICS for the project and have received promising responses. A lot of that info I am unable to discuss presently but Will as soon as I am able to do so.

I appreciate all the responses on this thread and I am excited about the project.
legendary
Activity: 3822
Merit: 2703
Evil beware: We have waffles!
February 19, 2016, 07:15:29 PM
#49
Only a heap of Avalon 6 chips so far for Kilo's commissioned project.

But, folks are working on BitFury to pitch-in with the Community aspect of it by lower the MOQ for this project. After all, they DO keep on talking about helping to spread and decentralize BTC along with helping grow the Community to do it...

By how much BitFury or any other 14/16nm miner chip maker helps or even if at all remains to be seen.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
February 19, 2016, 06:26:02 PM
#48
if he had the chips now I'm sure we would have them now, I'm sure if he could have got some s7 chips we would have some very nice s7 chip stuff .

T all ready picked out a new cooling system for my new  c1. aka water cooled zero miner  lol .

if it doesn't happen then I'll do whatever .


From what I read there not asking for any upfront cash that's the nice thing about side and the other guy helping they don't want any cash till it's ready like side does with his sticks .

That thing i said about script miners was just that a thing, i know you all won't make any or like them, i won't nor will i ever ask anyone to do anything anyone says they won't Smiley
I Have yet to.
That just a thing, thing,  was more a point about  Innosilicon then anything

I don't like dual miners either but do like doing script mining because at times you can make more doing it but that's about as far I'll say there . Smiley .


if i had the cash to back this , i would do it in a heart beat and never ask for anything while it is being done that how it should be and once it is done do per sells.

not per orders that some how seems like a scam from the start , selling something you don't have made or even have, just so you can make it, shame on you or worse your main intention,  is to steal it. .

So what if i would lose money !!!! .money is replaceable some times trust and respect can't be replaced or won back !!!.
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if im reading this right a 20 th miner doing only 450w ? dam nice .!!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13934396
legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1000
February 19, 2016, 04:41:22 PM
#47
A small team is good but they have to do it fast. Question is if a small team has the hours to make a project like this?
What is the minimum amount of chips we have to order?
Financial wise, is this going to work as preprder to raise the money?
full member
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February 19, 2016, 03:43:34 PM
#46
I will follow this with interest for sure.
BTW do you have an agreement for avalon chips ?
I am planing my own SFHF minr design with the new 16  from Bitfury
legendary
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Merit: 1005
February 19, 2016, 01:22:35 PM
#45
This is freaking awesome !
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
February 19, 2016, 09:25:28 AM
#44
I'm really not sure what you're talking about. We're definitely moving away from S7, and nobody has mentioined doing anything at all with S7 so far. No chipsinks, no 3 boards per machine, no reusing boards or chips.

Also, remember that "lessons learned by the WASP project" bit from the first page? Coordinating 20-30 engineers "even on different continents" would be a disaster. The thing is not that complex and doesn't need that many people bickering and wasting time.

The new board is best done by a small team.
You did this with the compac sticks.
If we can get a sliding scale efficient miner out of this project it would be very nice.

The solar array I am doing gives me fairly low cost power and if your project takes off a .1 watt miner that can go to a .075 watt miner really works for me.
legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 1859
Curmudgeonly hardware guy
February 19, 2016, 08:57:05 AM
#43
I'm really not sure what you're talking about. We're definitely moving away from S7, and nobody has mentioined doing anything at all with S7 so far. No chipsinks, no 3 boards per machine, no reusing boards or chips.

Also, remember that "lessons learned by the WASP project" bit from the first page? Coordinating 20-30 engineers "even on different continents" would be a disaster. The thing is not that complex and doesn't need that many people bickering and wasting time.
legendary
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February 19, 2016, 08:48:50 AM
#42
But important is to move away from single ASIC cooling like the S7, since it would kill the production line in time-spending mounting all these single heatsinks on used boards.
If the boards are the same, then it could be interesting to buy in a used soldering line for mounting new ASICS, 3 programs for 3 boards.
Is their any scrap value in the old ASIC chips ?
2-5 engineers making this project as a hobby, is not enough, I think, do to time pressure before halving, but 20-30 hobby engineers could make the project launch in no time, even on different continents.
Wrike project control, Google Docs and Dropbox or similar, then you could sit from home designing, testing or whatever.

Ok, i'm dreaming here, but it would be freaking awesome to see this project fly.


hero member
Activity: 628
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February 19, 2016, 05:39:25 AM
#41
Count me in once the boards are out, great project guys!! I would like to help out but I don't know much about electronics so... PM me if you need some voluntary marketing job done, anything to re decentralize mining!
legendary
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February 19, 2016, 12:40:30 AM
#40
What my basic plan is, is to use a basic USB-capable AVR microcontroller as a board-level brain. The chip Novak liked had a decent array of IO bus, including UART, SPI and I2C. We can interface to sensors and controls using I2C, use GPIO for fan speed, and interface to ASICs on UART or SPI.
I'm dying to know what part did you guys selected. The Atmel web site isn't of much help, it took me over an hour to find the difference between ATxmega256A3U and ATxmega256A3BU. Are you shooting for something like ATmega16U4 or ATmega8U2?
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February 19, 2016, 12:39:40 AM
#39
Very exciting project...thanks

Just a side note: Personally, i don't have S1, S3 or S5-had all three types, but sold them off as they became obsolete.
Buying used S3 or S5 again just to fit the new board?
Miner might have higher demand than boards, but I might be mistaken.


I'm in the same boat for my electricity price I got rid of all older generation miners.  I felt it was best to sell and buy BTC vs mining when I did calculations I came out with more BTC this way.

So I would have to buy them for this.  And chances are as soon as you say X miner it fit's parts miners take a jump in price on that model.   It might not be possible but I would love to see a complete miner without using other miners gut's cases.  And that might be to hard of a feat when keeping prices low I do realize that.

But best of luck with project.  

To your point, I wonder how feasible it would be to come up with a heatsink/chassis/fan solution that could handle 2 boards and come in around $20ish.  Certainly could be interesting.  I mean, we have a form factor already defined, so lead time might be a non issue.  I will investigate this on my own, but as this is (I hope) a community oriented project, perhaps someone else on the forum has better contacts than I. Anyone with an S1/S3/S5 wins because they can upgrade on the cheap.  Anyone without wins because they could buy this chassis kit on the cheap.  Sidehack/the dev group wins because the market for their product expands.  Home miners win because we have a cost effective alternative to the commercial products, and potentially those products have to lower their respective price points. Not to mention, whoever could facilitate a low cost chassis kit might stand to make a bit of coin for themselves in the process.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
February 19, 2016, 12:37:55 AM
#38
Well the good thing about using Something like S1 chassis is it'd fit S1, or S3, or S5. So prices might jump a bit but in a supply/demand market there'll be a heck of a lot of supply. And it also saves me having to contract out all the mechanical manufacture and, for a lot of people who still have those miners laying around, it saves a lot on shipping. I could probably send a dozen miners' worth of boards for the price of one complete miner. Maybe someone could arrange a big ol' bulk purchase of retired S1 from some farm's back room and do some complete unit resale.

It'd be nice to eventually build a complete unit, but for now I'll settle with tackling electronics and save the mechanicals for another time.
legendary
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February 19, 2016, 12:27:51 AM
#37
Very exciting project...thanks

Just a side note: Personally, i don't have S1, S3 or S5-had all three types, but sold them off as they became obsolete.
Buying used S3 or S5 again just to fit the new board?
Miner might have higher demand than boards, but I might be mistaken.


I'm in the same boat for my electricity price I got rid of all older generation miners.  I felt it was best to sell and buy BTC vs mining when I did calculations I came out with more BTC this way.

So I would have to buy them for this.  And chances are as soon as you say X miner it fit's parts miners take a jump in price on that model.   It might not be possible but I would love to see a complete miner without using other miners gut's cases.  And that might be to hard of a feat when keeping prices low I do realize that.

But best of luck with project.  
legendary
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February 19, 2016, 12:10:05 AM
#36
I focused on the pi because I've got some laying around that i'd love to put to use. What I meant for the new hardware is that I like the idea of making high powered hardware usb manageable so you could just plug it into existing or cheap hardware and upgrade your farm. 
You still get to use your PI's. The boards would plug into a USB hub or ports on a computer running CGminer, the computer connects to the 'net. Can be an old laptop, an el'cheapo fanless Atom(R), or a PI. Anything that will run CGminer and has USB and LAN ports.
member
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February 18, 2016, 11:49:28 PM
#35
A sidehack project?  Sweet!  /Auto-good
I'm definitely interested -  Best of luck with it.
member
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February 18, 2016, 11:33:48 PM
#34
A miner which can be volt-adjusted has a much longer viable lifetime. The BM1384 chips on the S5 could be run down to 600mV and 0.25J/GH versus the 800mV/0.45J/GH setting of the S5. If the machine was undervoltable it could run as efficient as an S7. Sure you'd only see 500GH at that setpoint, but that's not bad for something you paid for a year ago and it's probably already paid off. Look how long the SP20 was around - some are still around, because you could run it hot or run it cold. When did that come out, October 2014?

I don't like the idea of designing a board for a specific controller, because then either I have to make that controller or design around one that already exists (in which case you have to have one or get one). And then you limit the software to using exactly that controller, especially if you're using low-level IO. I'd much rather put the extra $2 in parts directly onto the board to make it more generic, able to connect and run off anything with USB and cgminer. If the software and hardware package is going to be generalized or in any way reusable, that is a mandated requirement. Why build a reusable framework that requires you to hook up to a Pi, when some folks would rather have something that hooks up to a Cubie or an old XP laptop? I can find no convincing reasons to settle on that arbitrary limitation when it's no more difficult to make it a lot more flexible. And then if you wanted, you could hub a dozen boards together and run them off a single controller instead of requiring a Pi for every 2, or 4, or whatever.

Heck, with that flexibility, the same controls framework for the TypeZero boards could be used on a pod or a stickminer as well.

That's exactly what I'm talking about though, sorry if I din't get the idea out right. I focused on the pi because I've got some laying around that i'd love to put to use. What I meant for the new hardware is that I like the idea of making high powered hardware usb manageable so you could just plug it into existing or cheap hardware and upgrade your farm. 
legendary
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February 18, 2016, 11:16:07 PM
#33
That sounds much better than my explanation -  Wink
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