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Quote from: big_daddy on July 04, 2019, 02:24:32 AM

the leader-board is untouched, obviously no one could predict the 0:3 Cool

the 3rd place match will be a hard one, two big losers confronting, but here I'm giving a little advantage to Argentina

Will, it really be tough one or ~~Colombia~~ Chile will take the 3rd place easily. Argentina is really playing so far less than expected and I don't think they will differ in the 3rd place match, moreover, they are broken now. Mostly Messi because it was probably the last hope for him to have a trophy.

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This was indeed the tournament of surprised.I was just thinking before the game that Chile should get an easy win and the semi finals were without any big surprise then it comes Peru and make a really good win against a Chile without bright ideas.

I think though that now it is obvious who the winner of this tournament will be,Brasil.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on July 04, 2019, 03:40:57 AM

Copa America often brings surprises.

Colombia, Mexico, Paraguay, Chile & now Peru have been finalists in the last 20 years. It’s a strange tournament, it’s not always dominated by the teams you’d expect. However I agree with you LFC, it SHOULD be a win for Brazil but Peru will give it everything they have to be champions. They may not make another final for a long time so they will fight like dogs to try & win.

Agreed, i also have a big feeling it won't be an easy one for Brazil. It could go either way. Maybe Brazil's biggest backing is the home tuft.
Also the reason i think the tournament has had various finalist could be because of how short it is. I mean immediately after group stages we get into Quarter finals. An underdog who has been first or second in group stages is just 2 matches away from the finals.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on July 04, 2019, 03:40:57 AM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 04, 2019, 03:26:31 AM

I couldn’t have been more wrong in nearly every prediction in this pool. I hope to do much better in the PL pool because I have totally sucked in this Copa one Cheesy

I expect Brazil to win the final comfortably.

"comfortably" - not so sure, Peru will for sure play a match of their life, cause when will they have the new chance to become champions? maybe never again

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 04, 2019, 03:26:31 AM

I couldn’t have been more wrong in nearly every prediction in this pool. I hope to do much better in the PL pool because I have totally sucked in this Copa one Cheesy

I expect Brazil to win the final comfortably.

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I couldn’t have been more wrong in nearly every prediction in this pool. I hope to do much better in the PL pool because I have totally sucked in this Copa one Cheesy

I expect Brazil to win the final comfortably.

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the leader-board is untouched, obviously no one could predict the 0:3 Cool

the 3rd place match will be a hard one, two big losers confronting, but here I'm giving a little advantage to Argentina

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 03, 2019, 02:17:41 PM

Today I'm waiting for tough win of Chile, but again, this match is too late for me to watch unfortunately...

I still can't believe that perun won the match even with 3:0, Chile had several attacks but not much organized which left them achieving 0 goals. Perun was lucky in my eyes, first 2 goal was not that much organized, because of the mistake of Chile's defend, they got those.

Quote from: Pffrt on July 03, 2019, 10:46:59 AM

Ronaldo can make difference alone and we have seen it a couple of times.

So, you want to say that Messi can't make difference? C'mon, you should watch games of Barcelona. Yeah, he don't perform in national team so well, but he is probably half of their team. I'm trying to imagine where Argentina would be without Messi.

I'm not denying that Messi is a great player but to me, Ronaldo is beyond Messi.

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Wasn't able watch match live because of time zone difference, now watching replay and I can say that Argentina didn't played bad and they had some dangerous moments when score was 1:0. This failure of Argentina probably means that Messi won't win Ballon D'Or this year.
Today I'm waiting for tough win of Chile, but again, this match is too late for me to watch unfortunately...

Quote from: Pffrt on July 03, 2019, 10:46:59 AM

Ronaldo can make difference alone and we have seen it a couple of times.

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Quote from: andrearz on July 03, 2019, 02:59:20 AM

I don't understand that with Argentina they always look disappointing in crucial matches, many bet that Argentina won but the opposite happened.

Really? All the p2p betting sites and betting markets I saw showed me the complete opposite: most volumes lay with Brazil. Lot of people also took handicap bets, that was how good Brazil were and how shit Argentina can be.

Quote from: rachman mahesa on July 03, 2019, 08:12:47 AM

I am very confused people are betting on Argentina. Even though on the other hand, Brazil was very popular in the match. Previously I had said that Argentina would certainly experience defeat, no matter if it was messi or not. Still the same, Argentina cannot compete in this competition.

What's the confusion? Messi playing in your team, Aguero, and you get 5/1 odds? Call me stupid but that was value right there. And if you saw the match, they actually played their best game of the tourney, so you know, bad luck (but yeah, I'm happy Alisson and Firminho made huge contributions!).

Where're your bets?

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Quote from: Pffrt on July 03, 2019, 10:46:59 AM

However, who is leading the pool here? I can't see any information about that here, would be better to see the leading one.

Here is currently how the pool standing is, Hahay is still leading but a number of users are not far behind.

Quote from: Pffrt on July 03, 2019, 10:46:59 AM

Ronaldo can make difference alone and we have seen it a couple of times.

I'm not going to argue who the better player is between Messi and Ronaldo, because both of them are really extraordinary in their own field, but I'm only going to say since Ronaldo is more of a center forward and all he has to do for his teams is to be clinical, then It's probably easier compared to when the whole team player has to go through you just like it happens with Messi.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 03, 2019, 09:40:17 AM

For sure it's obvious they have a world class attacking firepower, but it's also glaring they fumble just as much as the defenders do, take a look at how poor Messi and kun have been all tournament long, with Just two goals between them, it's a poor statistics and I think they are still far off from winning the tournament.

They'll definitely lose their coach and a host of other senior players, so we'll have to see if the new crop of players have the mettle to bring the trophy to Buenos Aires.

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I doubt Brazil will let Argentina pass through. I believe the game will be finished by the end of the first half.
And yes, Chile has best odds to pass. Interesting

I have seen two match of Argentina and I think they are very capable to overcome the obstacle that Brazil will bring for them. I am predicting a 2 - 1 win for Argentina. The worse will be 1 - 1 draw.

I expected the worse is 3:0 win for Brazil but it was 2:0, Messi could have a goal unless the goal bar was a bit higher Cheesy

However, who is leading the pool here? I can't see any information about that here, would be better to see the leading one.

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And again Argentina failed to win a cup.

If I'm not wrong is almost 30 years for them without any trophy and of course 0 national cups for Messi's carrier.

This is why I believe that Ronaldo is the best player in the world.

Ronaldo can make difference alone and we have seen it a couple of times.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 03, 2019, 01:23:35 AM

And again Argentina failed to win a cup.

If I'm not wrong is almost 30 years for them without any trophy and of course 0 national cups for Messi's carrier.

This is why I believe that Ronaldo is the best player in the world.
You can see the difference clearly in their national teams. Messi is so dissapointing in Argentina, and once again he didn't manage to get the team and win the Copa America trophy. From the beginning of the tournament Argentina didn't play well and it was about time for them to be disqualified.

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Quote from: big_daddy on July 03, 2019, 03:50:50 AM

Quote from: DeathAngel on July 03, 2019, 03:33:44 AM

Argentina just don’t have anything except Messi do they? Brazil through to the final & I expect them to go on & win the tournament.

Sergio Aguero from Manchester City, Lautaro Martinez from Internazionale, Leandro Paredes from PSG, Marcos Acuna from Sporting, Nicolas Tagliafico from Ajax
well, all those players are playing beautiful football in their clubs, it's a "national team" issue here, they have to work on that one, cause everyone is expecting that Messi will win alone the game....

All those big star players just can not seem to get a good team flow going and with all this good experience behind them you would think they would at be able to score atleast one goal against brazil but they failed to do it in last nights game so are out of the competition.
Very sad to see but it is reality of messi not being able to find any other player who he can have a mind link with of where his superb passing skills would be setting them up to put one in the back of the net.
What a waste really. Embarrassed

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For me Argentina has world class options in the attack but rest the team is nowhere near that level. Add to that the fact that Messi isn't playing defense and quite probably Aguero and Lautaro don't play much defense as well and you get very unbalanced squad. They can cover it against weaker team which doesen't have the power to bring the play to Argentina half.

Regarding our competition I had Brazil to win and changed it to draw in the last moment. Trying hard to secure that last spot Grin

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 02, 2019, 02:41:24 PM

Quote from: snipie on July 02, 2019, 02:20:47 PM

I doubt Brazil will let Argentina pass through. I believe the game will be finished by the end of the first half.
And yes, Chile has best odds to pass. Interesting

I have seen two match of Argentina and I think they are very capable to overcome the obstacle that Brazil will bring for them. I am predicting a 2 - 1 win for Argentina. The worse will be 1 - 1 draw.

Unfortunately with 1 leg, we cannot walk. Argentina, w/ or w/out messi, couldn't go too far...because simply the rest of the team is just weak - 10 woods they said..

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Quote from: big_daddy on July 03, 2019, 03:50:50 AM

Quote from: DeathAngel on July 03, 2019, 03:33:44 AM

Argentina just don’t have anything except Messi do they? Brazil through to the final & I expect them to go on & win the tournament.

This generation of Argentina players have lots of talent but they’ve been failing at international level for years. It’s a shame, they really should be winning major trophies.

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Quote from: andrearz on July 03, 2019, 02:59:20 AM

I don't understand that with Argentina they always look disappointing in crucial matches, many bet that Argentina won but the opposite happened.

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Quote from: Harkorede on July 03, 2019, 04:00:29 AM

I'm only sorry for messi who is likely to finish is international career without a national trophy, but that doesn't mean he's not one of the greatest player to have graced the football pitch.

Totally correct, Messi is undoubtedly the greatest footballer in the history of the beautiful game, not winning an international trophy with Argentina does add a bit of a question mark on such an illustrious career.

Messi really needed to win this tournament, but coming up against Brazil, the tournaments favorite, I knew they were heading home, I feel last night would be his last for his country.
I think history will have it that fge greatest of all time couldn't conquer in the international stage