Topic: Copa America 2024 Prediction Thread - page 55. (Read 7276 times)

Copa America is more than just Brazil and Argentina, there are good teams in that competition. Chile won it back to back against Argentina some years back. Uruguay and and Paraguay has also been previous winners. It will interest you to know that Brazil hasn't won that trophy for some years now. If you think that Copa America is just Brazil and Argentina as the strong contenders then you are wrong. Argentina are the defending champions for now but for the past 3 or 4 editions Argentina won it only once and Brazil didn't lift any.
On the aspect of Argentina being the favourite to it this time around I think you are right. Their squad is still as solid as it was during the last world cup. They have even new crops of young players coming through their rank. Although Brazil are in desperate need of a trophy but I don't think they are going to end their trophy drought anytime soon.

I don't totally disagree with you hehehe
But I remember coach Vanderlei Luxemburgo and Emerson Leão who had very bad results and their stubbornness really hurt the Brazilian team
As well as the controversies you mentioned
That was back in the 2000s, 2001...

Coach Dunga, who I admire a lot, also didn't have a good result with the Brazilian national team in 2010 and it was a bad team at the time

Which season of the brazilian team was worse than this? As far as I remember, the closest it had to truly bad teams was at the time of coach Emerson Leão and Mano Menezes, but they had players based on corruption (businessman's commission on agency players)... Other than that, I think the selection There has never been a team so bad... absolutely everything is missing... Neymar has been carrying this team on his back for more than 10 years. Vini Junior still hasn't shown what he came for in the Brazilian team

2 days left guys and we will have a full day of actually watching top football without leaving our sofa   .

Argentina - Canada will be the opening game and we all know Canada has a solid team capable of scoring goals and that's why I do see a both teams to score in this opening game with Argentina taking 3 points in the end because the experience and the pressure on them will make this team to deliver top football.  

Yep, that's true. He is a capricious player and with age he has not solved his emotional problems (while Vinnie, for example, has significantly increased his self-control in just a few years).
The problem with players like Neymar is that they are bright, they are praised by the fans and they are remembered for generations, but if they win something, it is mostly merit of other team players.

I think it's not the worst team of Brazil. There have been worse teams, but the whole situation is not good
It's curious to say that because any national team in the world would like to have brazilian players as starters in their teams, like Vinicius Jr, Rodrygo, Endrick etc, but there's still a lack of serious and continuous work that the CBF (Soccer Brazilian Confederation in translation) can't do

I also find it difficult to bet because in any game, even if they play badly, the Brazilian team has players who can solve the match with a single move, as is the case with Vinicius JR, who has even scored very important goals for Real Madrid
And never, never underestimate Brazil when it comes to betting

Brazil has recorded itself as the most third country that has won the Copa America trophy, while currently Argentina and Uruguay are the teams that have won the most American trophies so far, the Brazil squad this season does not look promising but I think they are still capable enough to reach the semifinals or finals later with Argentina, but even so we should not underestimate other teams that are now also starting to have the strength to Competing with Brazil and Argentina, talking about Brazil, of course we cannot deny that the current Brazil squad is mostly very talented young talents, but in terms of experience and mentality, of course they are still very doubtful.

Unlike Argentina who continue to combine their squad to maintain the stability of the team to continue to be able to compete in the future, currently even their legend Ronaldinho also admits that the current Brazil squad is incompetent and finds it difficult to be able to compete with the Latin American other country and even when the Brazilian legend himself says that currently Brazil is at its lowest point, of course it is difficult for us to bet on their current victory.

I know a lot about Dorival Junior's work, throughout his career he was a coach with a profile similar to the one he was hired by CBF... Second option or conciliator... He even had good jobs at São Paulo and Flamengo, but he was never a great strategist or a daring coach, his work never lasted long at the clubs, like starting and ending a season with consistency, he was always either fired, or hired in the middle of the championship... As I always say , this Brazilian team is one of the worst of all time, I don't believe it will have a good championship...

If you look at history since 2000, five teams have won the Copa America, namely Colombia, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina. This shows that in the modern era of football, Brazil and Argentina no longer dominate the Copa America. In my opinion, this is actually a good thing because it means the tournament is very competitive and will be as exciting to watch as Euro 2024. Brazil has been the champion since 2000. But at the moment I think they have the worst squad ever. This is the same as what Ronaldinho said some time ago (CMIIW). But despite this they are still one of the strongest in South America. But I think Argentina will win the Copa America again this year.

Brazil national teams right now have Vinicius Jr and Rodrygo performed well with their club and success winning Champion League trophy, I don't think Brazil need Neymar with his performance still inconsistency and right now have downgrade career after playing with Al Hilal as Saudi Pro League teams. The era of Neymar have been over and recently Brazil full by youth talented players and not difficult looking for great players has more skill than Neymar.

In Copa America, Brazil at Group D and seems not getting difficult for 16 round ticket behind the opponent teams Colombia, Costa Rica and Paraguay. Seems Brazil get chance for leading the Group D and get opportunity for facing the second team standings team on Group C. Based on their squad recently Brazil has opportunity become the winner of Copa America 2024 but Argentina will be strong opportunity in the final round with both team possibility will face in the final round.

the Copa América is not only dominated by Brazil and Argentina, for example Brazil is the third biggest team when it comes to the greatest number of times each team has won the Copa América, Argentina is at the top and Uruguay is in second place, See this photo to make it easier to understand what I'm talking about:



source: https://www.90min.com/posts/copa-america-winners-most-successful-nations

see that Uruguay won 15 times while Brazil only won 9 times, so it's not like Brazil is at the top of the list when it comes to the Copa América, and even Brazil's victories are recent achievements, which means that some years Back then they had fewer titles, perhaps the fact that Brazil has good players who play in the big teams in Europe makes people think that they are a very strong national team, but that is not true, this Brazilian national team is very weak , see their performance in the friendly games, see their performance in the world cup qualifying games, to get an idea, here is a photo of Brazil's situation in the world cup qualifying table:



Even with this change of coach that Brazil made, in my opinion Brazil is still very weak, with this team they have no chance of winning the World Cup and may have a lot of difficulty winning this Copa América. It is enough to see that in the last game that Brazil played, it was a few days ago, in a game in which Brazil played against the United States of America and they drew and the United States of America also participates in the Copa America. So there is a good chance that Brazil will leave this tournament without achieving anything in my opinion

My opinion on Neymar is that Brazil should already disregard the player for the future
Yes, he has played and can play very well, but the problems he carries are detrimental to the team as a whole
In a match against Argentina, for example, Neymar loses his mind easily and affects the Brazilian team, just look at how many times he has done this playing for the team

He's an experienced player but he still makes the mistakes of a teenager who can't control himself, so I prefer a player who thinks in the whole team, to play in harmony with others

I may not be too respectful of Neymar, but Brazil will be stronger without him (or certainly not weaker). To beat Colombia and Costa Rica you don’t need him, but to beat Argentina you need a more hard-working football player than the capricious Neymar. He has long (probably since his move to PSG) wanted to play only “star” games and is becoming more and more lazy in “ordinary” ones. But it doesn’t happen that you play poorly somewhere and then suddenly return to the top level. It seems that already when he moved to Al-Hilal, in some game for Al-Hilal he was “injured”, but at the same time he went to play for the Brazilian national team.

All things considered, Brazil doesn't really have a very great squad. They have a talented squad I know but it's not very great. The players they have are not world class in their positions like they used to have in the past. Only players like Vinicius and Allison are among the top 5 in their positions in the world and Vinicius is usually non-existent in a Brazilian shit.
They can be a great team if they play as a team, but playing individually makes things more difficult for them. The Brazil or old had all the individual qualities but still played as a team and that is why they were successful.

If they must play individually, they they all have to be world-class players who can produce something out of nothing otherwise, they have to play as a team.
That's the major difference between them and Uruguay and Argentina. Argentina plays as a team. Everybody does his job and helps their teammates do theirs on the pitch.
This Copa America, I don't see Brazil winning it. In the state they are, they would have had a better chance if Neymar was available.

Yeah, the reality is different. Just as you said it was only for an ad campaign that's all. Otherwise I was also surprised to hear such serious words from Ronaldinho. 

Related source => https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10124985-ronaldinho-says-criticism-of-brazils-2024-copa-america-roster-is-part-of-ad-campaign

Raphinha even said that Ronaldinho asked Vinicius Junior about the availability of some tickets a few days before. 



Aside from that, it is actually a truth that Brazil need to make a big progress with their current manager. They have a squad with lots of potential but teamwork is so limited.    I haven't liked them at all in the 2026 World Cup qualifiers until now.

Yes you are very correct when it comes to the side of Argentina team, beacuse here we are talking about a team that is the current world cup Champions, A formidable team with talented and an incredible number of players in there to talk about. From my point of view the Brazilian team rate has dropped and I don't really see them as my second favourite team this tournament, So ,Chile in the past competition has really demonstrated a good consistent performance in the past Copa America competition.

The Argentine team is much, much superior to the horrible Brazilian team, this Brazilian team doesn't even have a standard of play, it has difficulties against equally bad teams... In a tournament worth cups, whoever has the most experience and consistency wins, so Argentina mixes experience with talent, it is a very strong candidate for the title... and I would put Uruguay as the second candidate... Brazil with this team will only play without major intentions... Anyway. nothing is impossible, but I would be VERY SURPRISED if the Brazilian team at least reached the final.

As I said before, the Copa America only has a few countries that compete in it so we don't see any other option not to favor Brazil or Argentina, both countries continue to have good talented that are indeed endless so far, every year they continue to be able to orbit players who can indeed continue to continue their records and also the toughness of previous players,  Brazil, of course, is currently mostly filled with young players, so we can say that they have a good enough performance and stamina at the moment, so we all hope that in the final match we will see them.

If you choose Brazil, of course, I personally prefer to see that Argentina is a strong candidate to win the copa American trophy again this year, because I think with the current squad, of course, Argentina looks more perfect and very balanced both in terms of their performance and experience, if you look at the Argentine lineup that does combine young and senior players,  I think you would also think that Argentina has a greater chance than Brazil at the moment.

hahay, Docnaster, you guys supporting teams in Copa? Then make sure you make it count by joining the pool here.

Personally, looking forward to the bets rdluffy will make (don't forget to share them!), curious to see what the locals think when placing bets. I'm going to snipe at Colombia when/if they're down. Pointless to bet on Arg/Bra I think.

I'm terms of the most talented squads that'll participate in the upcoming Copa America finals, I don't think there's any team that's stronger or better than the duo of Argentina and Brazil. Of all the teams that'll participate in the competition, it'll be absolutely surprising for any of them to win the tournament ahead of the two footballing countries. As far as I'm concerned, the Copa America is a competition that fans across the globe are very more interested in watching the performance of both Argentina and Brazil and to analyze which if them is better than the other.
For me I'll be supporting the Brazilian national team to win this summer's edition of the Copa America but that doesn't mean that I'll be surprised if Argentina overpowers them to claim the trophy. Football is one sports that's been connecting people across the globe irrespective of their race or beliefs so despite the fact that I'm not from the continent, I'm looking forward to the start of fge competition